Pure Thai Sativas

[bushweed]

GN Thai shot for comparison with Don's BLB Thai above...

Hey Don, amazing similarity between the GN Thai and BLB, have to say though - the BLB flowers a month earlier and faster...Just goes to show what you can buy them from a respected source, can also be found in bag seed!! More BLB - Laos border Thai details...

 

[bushweed]

Talk about stretch on those Gypsy Thais infinitesimal...Here's some outdoor details...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/FONT]

Not much to look at cola wise - just a feathering of resinous calyxes..

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[/FONT]

 

[Infinitesimal]

Talk about stretch on those Gypsy Thais infinitesimal...Here's some outdoor details...
View Image
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]View Image[/FONT]
View Image

Not much to look at cola wise - just a feathering of resinous calyxes..
View Image
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]View Image[/FONT]

no doubt, definitely the most vigorous growing plant I have seen and it takes to topping very well too. I'm going to move those plants outside after I get cuttings, they should start flowering about a month later... and maybe they will finish!?

pretty plants and flowers btw.

I probably asked you this before but is that Loas bud the GN/ACE luang prabing?

 

[bushweed]

Hi infinitesimal,
The buds in the first post are bagseed Thai from the Laos border region. The buds in the second post are GN Thai. The Luang Prabang Laos is even more vigorous than the Thai stick, but has some intersexual expressions.

 

[Infinitesimal]

they all look nice, and that border thai has super chunky resinous buds for a Sativa like that

 

[Donald Mallard]

Hi infinitesimal,
The buds in the first post are bagseed Thai from the Laos border region. The buds in the second post are GN Thai. The Luang Prabang Laos is even more vigorous than the Thai stick, but has some intersexual expressions.

i was surprised to find no intersexed plants in that Laos herb ,
and real happy with how yours turned out bushy ..

alas i only get 3 out of 10 years with a dry finish,
so the thai suffers usually ,
but good chance ill try again , hehehe ..

I had some of that prof thai 4 ft tall in a month from seed , during winter here too , very very vigorous ..

 

[Asche]

Asche,
First of all, the type of soil and amendments needed to grow a pure thai variety is very pertinent if not paramount information.

Second, you have wasted far more amounts of space complaining about what others have posted without including pictures of thai plants for you to look at... and last I checked this wasn't a picture thread. So it makes no sense for you to post over and over again without adding ANYTHING substantial to thread much less any pics. You are being highly hypocritical... in an extraordinary fashion.

Third, So I don't just do the same as you and since I try and practice what I preach... here are some pure thai plants grown in some coco mix...

Fourth, you only hurt yourself by burning bridges with people like sam, do you really think you or your opinions are of any consequence to people like him?... sam is quite possibly the most knowledgeable man in the world when it comes to cannabis and having him here to teach/correct us is a luxury... and it would serve anyone well to listen to what he says... if sam blocks/ignores your posts, then that is your loss.

before you post here again, why don't you have something to contribute... I mean you, not pictures or articles you find and cut/paste from the internet like you do... I'm tired of reading your irrelevant dribble.

since nobody is interested in settling this over pm lets continue no problem.
not that i have fun in doing so you just help deteriorating the thread yourself.
which is definitely not my intention i hope yours neither.

i never said that nutrients are not important nor did i say that i want more pictures.
if you keep picking up shit what others throw around thats your beer.

i kindly expressed my concerns about the content of this thread
seems thats not quite understandable for some.

and it seems kindly is a word some do not understand generally.
playing the clown throwing cool phrases to provoke.
and even the moderator indulges himself in this thread
not doing what he actually is supposed to. are you guys desperate?

and since when is it imperative to show pictures to be interested in thais?
ridiculous.

but whatever.. nice pictures.

Heres a pic to shut u up asche,
now please just read without posting unless you have something pertinent to add,
thats what everyone else does and things go along nicely ..

thanks, i am shut.. if nobody throws further shit at me which does not belong my way.

 

[deadkndys]

I just started LSTing this Thai a few weeks ago. The twine I was using also was too tight and partially severed part of the main stem. I have since put tape to help mend it.

She should start flowering at the end of the month or early September

 

[tropicannayeah]

She should start flowering at the end of the month or early September

or October or November ..lol....those who haven't grown Thais before will notice that they tend to "dribble " slowing into flowering mode much later than just about any strain I've grown, while most modern hybrids explode into the flowering mode months earlier and many finish well before the Thais get their first buds forming.

Most Thais I used to grow would finish in January or February in the sub-tropics Nthn Hemi...some much later, some earlier, some never did finish. I'm sure there are Sth East Asian plants that will finish earlier, but I've only seen a few and I grew Thais only for a decade.

The main thing to keep in mind is that if you harvest a Thai or most other tropical skinny leafed plants with the same indicators that tell you an 8 week flowering hybrid is ripe then you are probably harvesting a month or more too early. Lots of growers I've noticed try to grow these tropical strains and end up saying the high was light, speedy and not as good as the quick flowering hybrids...mainly because they cut way too early. Picking most Sth East Asian ganja plants after just 10 or even 15 weeks flowering is like harvesting an 8 week flowerer at 5 1/2 weeks....to the inexperienced grower, a Thai may look ready, but if you wait an extra month or more it may look even further from being ready. Ideally, the plant should be yellowed and most of the large ~ medium sized leaves would of dropped off and the buds would be hard, not airy...then dry and cure for several months for it to achieve it's potential.

Here's a question I'd like to know the answer to....why do effects and potency from tropical skinny leafed strains increase considerably after several months of drying/curing compared to the effects and potency a few weeks after cutting?...while most modern hybrids tend to only slightly increase from a few weeks after drying to months later, sure they taste better and the high is better by 10 or 20%, but Thais, Zamal and Indians triple in potency and the trippy effects become 4 or 5 times better several months after.

(edit ...triple potency increase and a 4 or 5 times better high is an exaggeration, but there's a big improvement in the high from 2 weeks after cutting to 3 months after compared to modern strains)

 

[deadkndys]

According to Greenhouse this Thai was crossed with a 'male laos' to help speed up flowering so I would expect it to shave off a few weeks. 80/20

Either way I live in So Cal so the weather isn't bad in mid January lol.

And yeah I was told that with thais the buds finish at different times.

 

[Huesos]

Thank you Tropicannayeah- great information.

 

[tropicannayeah]

Thank you Tropicannayeah- great information.

I haven't grown Thais for 20 years, 15 years since I had Thai/Dutch crosses in the ground but there are some experienced and knowledgeable growers in this thread you could learn from who have plants in the ground now that look fantastic (and you can tell these guys don't pick 'em immature).

 

[Samson4]

Thai82
She is still flowering strong and no hermie signs yet. She is about a foot tall and so very delicate. I first saw pistils at around 12 days. She was only 3 inches tall at that point.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Here's a question I'd like to know the answer to....why do effects and potency from tropical skinny leafed strains increase considerably after several months of drying/curing compared to the effects and potency a few weeks after cutting?...while most modern hybrids tend to only slightly increase from a few weeks after drying to months later, sure they taste better and the high is better by 10 or 20%, but Thais, Zamal and Indians triple in potency and the trippy effects become 4 or 5 times better several months after.

(edit ...triple potency increase and a 4 or 5 times better high is an exaggeration, but there's a big improvement in the high from 2 weeks after cutting to 3 months after compared to modern strains)

i suspect smoking fresh cannabis is pretty new ,
(since us desperate westerners started growing it)
i know all the stuff i smoked when younger was at least a year old if not more ,
and nowadays i am disappointed if i run out of cured pot and have to resort to fresh samples ...

i agree particularly sativa needs a decent cure to be more pleasing and taste better also ,
some of the modern hybrids are more palatable fresh,
but still improve with curing ...

curing thai is a must imho ...

 

[tropicannayeah]

Yes, but why do the effects of tropical strains improve so much more than modern hybrids after months of correct storage? I've always wondered about this, but have never read the reason why it is so.

It's got to do with the trichomes (obviously)....have tropical strains evolved (or were indirectly selected) with thicker trichome membranes that protect against impact of torrential rains etc and this leads to a slower drying/curing of the trichomes and so they are months slower to achieve peak potency and effects? If it's not the skin of the trichomes that is the cause then it's what's inside the trichome that must be different to cause this.

I bet Sam_Skunkman knows.

 

[burningfire]

I think it has to do with terpenes , indicas are usually more pungent.
Terpenes have psychoactive effects by themselves so I would think a plant with more terpenes would have a greater effect, even if they improve after a cure the initial effects are stronger than sativas so the difference isn't as flagrant.

 

[tropicannayeah]

even if they improve after a cure the initial effects are stronger than sativas so the difference isn't as flagrant.

It's not a question of if they (Sativas) improve, they certainly do...quite substantially more than wide leaved plants (Indicas) . The last non-hybridized tropical thin leaved ganja I grew would rate 3 ore 4 out of ten two weeks after drying, the high was nothing special at all, but 3 months later it was as trippy as I've ever smoked, so much so I would feel if I was floating above and looking down on myself along with greatly increased lung capacity and endurance, inspirational, motivational etc etc.the potency had more than doubled and the effects went from almost nothing to walking into a technicolor animated experience.

one thing is for sure, once the walls of cannabis prohibition fall down world wide we will see a return to strains that take 4 ~ 6 months of flowering that give a high that inspires, motivates and tickles our funny bones..and less of the boring brain deadening fast flowering strains grown under lights that dominate the market now. It's probably a good time to sell stocks in indoor lighting companies lol

 

[RedDirtWarrior]

one thing is for sure, once the walls of cannabis prohibition fall down world wide we will see a return to strains that take 4 ~ 6 months of flowering that give a high that inspires, motivates and tickles our funny bones..and less of the boring brain deadening fast flowering strains grown under lights that dominate the market now.

Amen!!!! Once people experience the soaring, serene 'high' marijuana was meant to give, they will certainly give more attention to sativas. Indicas will still have there place, and IMO many indoctrinated into cannabis smoking with these indica hybrids will never switch over to the pure sativas, favoring the intoxicating "put you down" effects they offer.

The ones who experienced the wonderful imported Thai's and other various sativas from tropcial regions in the 60/70's are a dying generation. The new generation will always prefer their "stoning" weed.

It's probably a good time to sell stocks in indoor lighting companies lol

One acre of farmland could grow enough high quality cannabis of indica or sativa type for many to smoke, so I think you are right! Once the laws get passed to allow it to be grown commercially outdoors is when things will really start to change, the near future is very exciting.

On another note, I currently have some Zamaldelica and golden tiger from ACE going now.The Meao Thai genetics never cease to amaze me, what a beautiful plant. Anyone know of its origins?

Attempting to grow them using non-conventional methods. Instead of loading holes full of manures/hummus/high quality soils I am going back to the "roots" if you will of the soil types where these strains came from. Heavy, tropical clay topsoil, mostly consisting of worm castings/partially digested organic matters (leaves from trees, rotten twigs/bark etc, stuff you would find on a forest floor.) is what I am trying to grow in, without any additional fertilizers. I am basically scraping the topsoil from the forest floor and growing them in that mixed with some clay groundsoil...This is how they would have grown in their natural environment so it is what I am trying to replicate as best I can.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I think it has to do with terpenes , indicas are usually more pungent.
Terpenes have psychoactive effects by themselves so I would think a plant with more terpenes would have a greater effect, even if they improve after a cure the initial effects are stronger than sativas so the difference isn't as flagrant.

Which terpenes are psychoactive by themselves?
Have you ever tried terpenes by their selves?
I have and do not agree, they are not even in the same league as THC for psychoactivity, not even close.
The reason more tepenes in a plant has more of an effect is because the terpenes modify the THC effects. No THC, no effects from the terpenes, or at least almost none. If they got you high alone they would be illegal, think about it.
-SamS

 

[Mustafunk]

Yes, but why do the effects of tropical strains improve so much more than modern hybrids after months of correct storage? I've always wondered about this, but have never read the reason why it is so.

I've been always curious about this as well. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation. I imagine that all the strains, commercial or tropical, do improve a lot with the curing but I've been told many times that for tropical narrow leaf strains it's a big must. Especially with stuff like Thais, Hazes and very long flowering and equatorial strains, it seems they need that few month curing to get the best of them or maybe just to get a better smoke and a more balanced effect.

The main effect of curing is the decarboxylation of acid cannabinoids and the taste and smoking improving due to the breakdown of chlorophyll, which is the main reason of the harsh smoke and "green taste" in the throat. Said this, all the strains should improve with long curing both in terms of potency and smoothness. But do hybrids or hashplants improve less? I'm not sure about that.

It's said there are some terpenes with some mild relaxing or sedating properties like Myrcene for example (responsable of the sedating/sleepy effect of certain strains and fruity hybrids containing them) or Limonene (stimulating an focusing effect as opposed to other terpenes). But they do work in synergy with the rest of cannabinoids and THC, resulting in a certain high effect or another. I'm also pretty sure that terpenes are the most delicate susbtance during the curing process. Due to the low boiling point and temperature they need to be broken, they are probably the first ones becoming lost with the time. Keep in mind that if you are able to smell them (the weed) is because some are getting lost in the air already!

I'm pretty sure the perfect curing means balancing perfectly the cannabinoid decarboxylation with the chlorophyll breakdown and avoid excessive terpene loss (probably the only substances that reach their maximum peak when the plant is gets fully ripe and harvested) and other cannabinoids with undesired effects and the weed loosing its "fire" (if I'm right too much CBN after long and improper curing like sun dried weed, can make the weed too narcotic, isnt' it?).

Vibes.