You can speed it up with preflowering just to give them a coconut water solution.
15ml per ltr (60 ml per gallon).It will speed up the growth also.
15ml per ltr (60 ml per gallon).It will speed up the growth also.
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Punto rojo selection and repro
- Thread starter OldCoolSativa
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Hello how are you? Good luck on this project.
As you have been told, I would recommend not removing any plants until you evaluate them correctly.
Take clones to all and continue until the end of flowering separating males and females to evaluate them well, if possible. Then make seeds with the selected clones.
I have tried this variety and it has some kind of hybridization, in my opinion.
I have seen shorter flowering plants than expected, small plants and aromas and effects of hybrids. Unfortunately, hybridization has been in Colombia for decades.
But I also say that if you are lucky it is possible to find very good special genotypes similar to the old Punto Rojo.
In my Instagram you can see some photos of Punto Rojo.
Good luck.
As you have been told, I would recommend not removing any plants until you evaluate them correctly.
Take clones to all and continue until the end of flowering separating males and females to evaluate them well, if possible. Then make seeds with the selected clones.
I have tried this variety and it has some kind of hybridization, in my opinion.
I have seen shorter flowering plants than expected, small plants and aromas and effects of hybrids. Unfortunately, hybridization has been in Colombia for decades.
But I also say that if you are lucky it is possible to find very good special genotypes similar to the old Punto Rojo.
In my Instagram you can see some photos of Punto Rojo.
Good luck.
Are these going to be grown indoors btw? What kind of set up? They're looking very nice!
OldCoolSativa
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Yes, I plan to make the seed repro run indoors with up to 12 of these plants, I'll also flower a few clones of the very best females separately and with a lot more space. All under LEDs.
OldCoolSativa
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Here's the results to date on when the plants first showed preflowers and sex:
Here are some pics of potential first-round winners and losers...
These plants are likely to be selected based on longest time to show sex (they still haven't shown any preflower structures); #2, #20, #21 and #28.
Despite not being the latest to show preflowers, these plants are likely to be selected based on structure and "the look." They are #12, female, a specimen plant with great structure and a hint of variegation, identified by @RingtailCanyon based on first leaves; and #19, male, the most feral looking plant of the bunch.
These are plants likely to be selected based on aroma. They are #22, female, outrageous meat to rotten meat aroma unlike anything I've ever seen or smelled before (Haze A throwback anyone?); #25, male, lovely and louder example of what I describe as the "typical" punto rojo aroma in veg; #26, sex TBD, with earth and wood aromas; and #31, suspect male, also with wood, earth and pepper aromas.
Aromas are still developing and all over the place so I'll probably shuffle these selections around a bit, but that's what I'm thinking at this stage.
Here are the first plants to lose in round 1: broader-leaved and less interesting males.
Here are some pics of potential first-round winners and losers...
These plants are likely to be selected based on longest time to show sex (they still haven't shown any preflower structures); #2, #20, #21 and #28.
Despite not being the latest to show preflowers, these plants are likely to be selected based on structure and "the look." They are #12, female, a specimen plant with great structure and a hint of variegation, identified by @RingtailCanyon based on first leaves; and #19, male, the most feral looking plant of the bunch.
These are plants likely to be selected based on aroma. They are #22, female, outrageous meat to rotten meat aroma unlike anything I've ever seen or smelled before (Haze A throwback anyone?); #25, male, lovely and louder example of what I describe as the "typical" punto rojo aroma in veg; #26, sex TBD, with earth and wood aromas; and #31, suspect male, also with wood, earth and pepper aromas.
Aromas are still developing and all over the place so I'll probably shuffle these selections around a bit, but that's what I'm thinking at this stage.
Here are the first plants to lose in round 1: broader-leaved and less interesting males.
Just an observation: there is no rotting meat scent on PR. Unless its been hybridized with a faster afghanica type to speed up flowering.
I'm rooting for ya tho! Its always interesting to see how people grow these indoors.
If both are from Cannabiogen.
In my case OTH males were used.
OTH is wilder, has a long flowering period and has a cleaner effect than Punto Rojo.
According to phylos galaxy oth, it is related to Colombian varieties and from what I have seen I do not see any resemblance to Asian varieties.
For this reason it was decided to use the best males from OTH.
To give him old and new Colombian blood at the same time and improve this Punto Rojo or puzzle rojo as Kaiki called it.
Thanks to Charlie Garcia (Kaiki) and the others for leaving us this variety. I hope that everything goes well for you.
OldCoolSativa
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An updated chart, highlighted to identify the plants that I'll most likely select for seed reproduction. I'm strongly weighting selections toward the plants that are taking their sweet-ass time showing sex, although I'm allowing a few earlier ones with outstanding structure into the mix.
El Unico Frijol
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Great work so far, following along. 
OldCoolSativa
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As of mid August, plants #20 and 21 still haven't shown any preflower structures. They are the top 5% of this grow by that metric. I'm confident their 95th percentile status will also be reflected in the flowering duration and in the quality of the effect, but there's only one way to prove it. I've had my eye on both since first leaves, as they have "the look." The final results will be in around April 2024.
#20 and #21 are the 95th percentile in late preflower development.
#20 and #21 - potential champions
#20 and #21 are the 95th percentile in late preflower development.
#20 and #21 - potential champions
OldCoolSativa
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Nearly half the plants have been culled. I currently have 5 males and 15 females. I’ll take clones next week.
Tranquilidade
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Looking healthy and happy! Respect for keeping this line alive.
IndicaFarmer
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how did you get these plants so beautiful and shiny right green? I've never been able to get plants shiny like that! great work amazing structures!
OldCoolSativa
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Living organic soil, sunshine, and lots of rain this summer. I usually suck at growing bit this batch is doing ok so far.
Following along, excellent and exciting work.
All the best with this mission.
All the best with this mission.
OldCoolSativa
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On my way home after a week away from these skinny-leaved beauties. My son has been checking in on them and tells me they're in great shape. Cutting clones tomorrow, and the seed plants will go into a tent for the OP seed run in a couple weeks.
I have this vision that won't stop rolling through my head. I take a nice, fluffy bud of 6-month-cured, peppery-spicy punto rojo, roll a perfect joint, spark it up, and savor the flavor of a Colombian sativa straight out of the 70s while the clear-headed euphoria washes over my body and cleanses my soul. I'm a patient man but I can't wait to fulfill this vision. I hope that I may play a part in this vision coming true for many people, and it helps to keep me going.
Can you dig it?
I have this vision that won't stop rolling through my head. I take a nice, fluffy bud of 6-month-cured, peppery-spicy punto rojo, roll a perfect joint, spark it up, and savor the flavor of a Colombian sativa straight out of the 70s while the clear-headed euphoria washes over my body and cleanses my soul. I'm a patient man but I can't wait to fulfill this vision. I hope that I may play a part in this vision coming true for many people, and it helps to keep me going.
Can you dig it?
Yeah !
viva la sativa revolucion!
OldCoolSativa
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I spent a good chunk of the Labor Day weekend on this project. I had narrowed the the final selection down to 8 females and 4 males. The plants are about 4 feet tall, still outside, and in early September 90 degree heat they need water every day.
Only one of the plants from @Limeygreen seeds made the final cut. Most of those plants were prone to PM, showed much fatter leaves, and exhibited much more pronounced aromas than the CBG seed plants, including aromas that simply aren't found in pure Colombian sativas, like rotting meat. Furthermore, these plants exhibited hybrid vigor. These are all characteristics of a sativa-Indica hybrid. While some of the plants were really interesting, and I'm sure would've been excellent smoke, I simply felt that selecting these plants would not be beneficial to the punto rojo line.
I've discussed this with @Limeygreen and we agree that the seed he grew probably had some Indica genes. Absolutely no hard feelings in either direction. I personally believe it was the female he used in his 1:1 pairing, because he sent me a pic of the male a couple years ago and it was sure looked like a pure sativa. I recall another CBG punto rojo thread on ICMag where one of the plants grown clearly showed broad leaf or skunk influence. It underscores the real concern to those reproducing heirloom pure sativas about stray Indica pollen and how it can literally contaminate the line. I speculate that CBG inadvertently allowed some skunk pollen into one of their punto rojo earlier seed batches.
So here are some pics of the final selections, all labels are from left to right in the corresponding pictures.
THE MALES
PR3 and PR18 - PR3 is the earliest male and already has the most advanced flower development. I may cull him yet, but decided to keep him around because he's the only male that hasn't shown any kind of red stem. PR18 is the slowest male to flower and has the most interesting aromas.
PR19 and PR34 - PR19 is my favorite male. Early in veg he showed some red stem traits, but he certainly looks like a green or gold pheno to me, with the skinniest leaves and most feral looking structure. PR34 is also a beautiful sativa male but shorter with darker leaves and red stems.
THE FEMALES
PR1 and PR2 - PR1 looks to be a fairly early plant but it has a nice structure (a little thirsty here) and red petioles. PR2 is among the slower to flower and is a green pheno.
PR12 and PR13 - PR12 is a green pheno, early to show preflowers, and has a beautiful, specimen sativa structure that caught the eye of @RingtailCanyon (and myself) at the first leaf stage. PR13 is shorter in stature, but was the winner of the skinny-first-leaf contest and looks to be a gold or green pheno.
PR17 and PR20 - PR17 is a late flowering red pheno, and PR20 (thirsty here) has red petioles and is tied with PR21 as the last two plants to show sex in preflowers.
Only one of the plants from @Limeygreen seeds made the final cut. Most of those plants were prone to PM, showed much fatter leaves, and exhibited much more pronounced aromas than the CBG seed plants, including aromas that simply aren't found in pure Colombian sativas, like rotting meat. Furthermore, these plants exhibited hybrid vigor. These are all characteristics of a sativa-Indica hybrid. While some of the plants were really interesting, and I'm sure would've been excellent smoke, I simply felt that selecting these plants would not be beneficial to the punto rojo line.
I've discussed this with @Limeygreen and we agree that the seed he grew probably had some Indica genes. Absolutely no hard feelings in either direction. I personally believe it was the female he used in his 1:1 pairing, because he sent me a pic of the male a couple years ago and it was sure looked like a pure sativa. I recall another CBG punto rojo thread on ICMag where one of the plants grown clearly showed broad leaf or skunk influence. It underscores the real concern to those reproducing heirloom pure sativas about stray Indica pollen and how it can literally contaminate the line. I speculate that CBG inadvertently allowed some skunk pollen into one of their punto rojo earlier seed batches.
So here are some pics of the final selections, all labels are from left to right in the corresponding pictures.
THE MALES
PR3 and PR18 - PR3 is the earliest male and already has the most advanced flower development. I may cull him yet, but decided to keep him around because he's the only male that hasn't shown any kind of red stem. PR18 is the slowest male to flower and has the most interesting aromas.
PR19 and PR34 - PR19 is my favorite male. Early in veg he showed some red stem traits, but he certainly looks like a green or gold pheno to me, with the skinniest leaves and most feral looking structure. PR34 is also a beautiful sativa male but shorter with darker leaves and red stems.
THE FEMALES
PR1 and PR2 - PR1 looks to be a fairly early plant but it has a nice structure (a little thirsty here) and red petioles. PR2 is among the slower to flower and is a green pheno.
PR12 and PR13 - PR12 is a green pheno, early to show preflowers, and has a beautiful, specimen sativa structure that caught the eye of @RingtailCanyon (and myself) at the first leaf stage. PR13 is shorter in stature, but was the winner of the skinny-first-leaf contest and looks to be a gold or green pheno.
PR17 and PR20 - PR17 is a late flowering red pheno, and PR20 (thirsty here) has red petioles and is tied with PR21 as the last two plants to show sex in preflowers.
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