Prop 19 Results - It has been a long time coming but...

[Resin]

how does prop 215 cover a commercial operation producing 58 lbs a day?? nothing in prop 215 allows that. so prop 19 had everything to do with those commercial operations in oakland.
Im sure they will still supply the dispensaries but they are clearly not covered and or legal under 215.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

how does prop 215 cover a commercial operation producing 58 lbs a day?? nothing in prop 215 allows that. so prop 19 had everything to do with those commercial operations in oakland.
Im sure they will still supply the dispensaries but they are clearly not covered and or legal under 215.

I'm not a lawyer or a prosecutor. I'm just conveying facts of the situation, and the reality is that these commercial warehouses will be liscensed by the city regardless of what happened on nov.2

But than again when your that big and in the open, your just a huge target with theifs and feds foaming at the mouth to hit ya....

 

[StellarP]

how does prop 215 cover a commercial operation producing 58 lbs a day?? nothing in prop 215 allows that. so prop 19 had everything to do with those commercial operations in oakland.
Im sure they will still supply the dispensaries but they are clearly not covered and or legal under 215.

Proposition 19 had NOTHING to do with the commercial operations in Oakland. Just as it had nothing to do with the 6 commercial operations going into Berkeley. It also had nothing to do with the new taxes set by individual cities.

But you knew that right, would not want to be an uninformed voter.

Cheers
StellarP

 

[blwd67]

Man, I would love to see a law that says indivduals growing for their own personal use will not be prosecuted, while leaving large scale commercial ops out in the dust.... But guess what? This is america, folks, and here in america we get things done with money. The only constant in politics is the money, everything else changes daily. Do you really think anyone out there is going to take that risk and spend that money if they don't stand to gain a thing?

We all bitch about Lee and the Oakland crew, but ummm... Show me your legalization proposition? Show me your signatures, your commercials, your flyers, your political organization. Most all the dissenters sound more like the school nerd wankin about how the jocks always get the girl, than informed opponents.

This kind of thing costs money. Tons and tons of money. Rich people have money, but they sure As hell didn't get that way by giving it away.

We are a capitalist society, literally driven by the almighty dollar. Why would cannabis be any different?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Man, I would love to see a law that says indivduals growing for their own personal use will not be prosecuted, while leaving large scale commercial ops out in the dust.... But guess what? This is america, folks, and here in america we get things done with money. The only constant in politics is the money, everything else changes daily. Do you really think anyone out there is going to take that risk and spend that money if they don't stand to gain a thing?

We all bitch about Lee and the Oakland crew, but ummm... Show me your legalization proposition? Show me your signatures, your commercials, your organization. Most all the dissenters sound more like the school nerd wankin about how the jocks always get the girl, than informed opponents.

This kind of thing costs money. Tons and tons of money. Rich people have money, but they sure As hell didn't get that way by giving it away.

We are a capitalist society, literally driven by the almighty dollar. Why would cannabis be any different?

What I learned is don't bother with anti-legalization smokers. They make up a very small amount of voters. Our obstacle is going to be the uber-conservative age 45+ demographic. If we can some how figure out how to get their vote then it would pass. Or push it during an election that predicts a low voter turnout for that demographic. They should have pushed it in the 2008 election when it was a huge democratic turnout....

 

[Ben Tokin]

double post - sorry

 

[Ben Tokin]

People have been the same for most of recorded history. Many empires have come and gone because of someone's quest for power and wealth. It's usually a few people controlling the masses....the poor, uneducated becoming cannon fodder for the greed of a few.

And then there's the story about someones' supposed friend and 30 pieces of silver......

 

[SCF]

WARNING ALL CO OP owners and VENDERS IN BAY AREA/ Oakland, and patients alike...

WARNING ALL CO OP owners and VENDERS IN BAY AREA/ Oakland, and patients alike...

This is for miss Dragonfly, miss's, i already got mine, why should we legalize it. Because look what happen today you b*$(@%. When shit hits the fan in southbay. You know, some real shits about to go down. Or maybe just scare tacticts... but i have a feeling not...



http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16568035





http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16568035

im not too sure, but a quick google shows me this.. from just 20 minutes ago. Holy crap, looks worse.... Clubs dont just SHUT DOWN. Something happen, between the lines, something is not being said... I Will be reading the news to find out any new info.



Medical marijuana activists pleaded Tuesday for San Jose leaders to stop drug raids they say have sent a jolt of fear through cannabis providers and patients alike.
Drug agents in recent weeks have raided three local medical marijuana providers. Several other collectives, including Harborside Health Center, one of the area's largest and best-established, have simply closed, fearing an imminent bust.
"How can you sit up there and take my rights away?" asked a tearful Aisha Alexander, 36, who told the City Council she uses marijuana to relieve breast cancer symptoms.
But city officials said they were powerless to act, noting that although some San Jose officers have participated in the raids, they were conducted by a county special enforcement team. The topic also wasn't on the council's agenda, which prohibited any action.
"This is not something over which we have any authority or jurisdiction," Mayor Chuck Reed told a crowd of dozens who spoke during an open-comment period at the end of the council's afternoon meeting.
Councilman Pierluigi Oliverio, who last year initiated an ongoing city process to consider limited zoning and taxation of medical marijuana providers, asked the city manager to gather additional information for the council.
The raids straddled a historic statewide vote last week in which Californians rejected an initiative to legalize recreational marijuana use. Voters in San Jose and several other cities

however, approved local measures to tax and regulate the drug.
In addition to the recent raids, South Bay narcotics agents also ran a sting operation dubbed Up in Smoke against medical marijuana delivery services, arresting almost two dozen suspects officials accused of "perverting" the state's medicinal marijuana law.
Santa Clara County Special Enforcement Team Commander Danielle Ayers defended the raids in an interview, saying the marijuana sellers were nothing more than profiteering drug peddlers and that their activities were drawing complaints. She noted the number of marijuana dispensaries has multiplied to 88 in the county, mostly in San Jose, in just two years.
"The county chiefs got together and told us, 'This is a huge problem in our community, there are 14, 15-year old kids buying marijuana,'" Ayers said. "The problem is that they are making money, and they are hiding it. There is money laundering going on.''
But the operators and employees of the medical marijuana collectives are in a panic, saying they're unsure of what local law enforcement wants from them and are worried that their industry is under attack.
"Everyone's shaking in their boots," said David Genovese, executive director of the San Jose Patients Group, which was raided Nov. 4. He is also a founding member of the Medicinal Cannabis Collectives Coalition, which promotes "sensible regulations" for providing medical marijuana.
Genovese acknowledged that there are some shady operators -- which he blames on city officials who've dragged their feet on regulations. But he said raids of those striving to operate within the law has left everyone fearful.
City zoning currently does not allow marijuana dispensaries. But Genovese noted that more than 78 percent of San Jose voters just approved Measure U, which called for a 10 percent tax on marijuana providers to help with the city's chronic money shortages.
The city council next month will continue its discussion of marijuana dispensary zoning.
"This is a modern witch-hunt to chase the 'green skinned" people out of town,'' said Dave Hodges, who founded the San Jose Cannabis Buyers Collective -- among the first of what are now dozens of dispensaries.
Harborside, one of the Bay area's best-funded, most high-profile dispensaries, left a message on its door saying "recent police raids of San Jose collectives, with no intervention of the City Council, lead us to believe we are not welcome in this community."
In recently unsealed affidavits attached to two of the raids, narcotics agents accused the dispensaries of selling pot for profit, violating state guidelines that medical marijuana be distributed only by non-profits.
In their investigation of Angel's Care, undercover agents who bought marijuana with such names as "Orange Kush'' and "Grapefruit Diesel" argued in court documents that the operation sold pot for street prices 12 or 13 times the cost of growing it.
"I believe that it is highly improbable Angel's Care Collective generated no profit from projected annual sales of $5,880,000, with a 75 percent markup on their marijuana,'' wrote agent Dean Ackemann.
The thousands of "members" -- Angel's Care reported 6,500 -- had no responsibilities or duties toward their cooperative/collective, documents said, other then the right to purchase pot.
Genovese, however, insists that his nonprofit San Jose Patients Group on the Alameda was no such place. He said his nine employees were terrorized by agents pointing guns in their faces, screaming at them and trashing the center.
Councilman Oliverio said he had "sympathy for the plight of medical cannabis clubs that are operating under the state law," and he questioned the agents' priorities.
"Law enforcement perspective overall is that they typically view these things as bad,'' Oliverio said. "Tell me how medical cannabis is worse than the epidemic of meth or alcoholism?''
Contact John Woolfolk at 408-975-9346.
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Here are the South Bay medical marijuana providers that have been shut down by police or have closed voluntarily in recent weeks. All are in San Jose unless otherwise noted:
Angel's Care Collective (Santa Clara)
Harborside Health Center
Medi-Leaf
The Natural Herbal Pain Relief Center
New Age Healing Collective
San Jose Patients Group
The South Bay Healing Center

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

That is very bad news. It looks like they are working to end all dispensaries in CA. I fear the clubs in San Diego are at risk of raids as well. I've cautioned other owners who have confided in me that they feel the same. It is dark days for 215....

 

[blwd67]

Its true that even today a wealthy elete exists, wielding their power over us and molding the world as they see fit. Kind of... War on drugs: campaign by the lumber, fossil fuel, and synthetic plastic industry that has effectively placed cannabis (and it's dangerous cousin industrial hemp) on the black list. Propositon 19, and the ones to follow, are the peoples answer to an archaic system based on fear mongering and hatred.

So yes, we are most definitely up against a huge percentage of the populating; that 45 and up demographic who have seen pot demonized their entire lives. It is a huge battle that needs to be fought with information and science. Undeniable facts, and indisputable truths. We know these things, why shouldn't they?

What should not be a battle, however, is the uniting of all cannabis smokers, growers, and lovers. An intelligent perspective on the modern idea of legalization recognizes the necessity for both regulation and taxation, as well as acceptance that any sought after commodity is subject to the laws of business. The biggest supporters will always be those who stand to gain, be it money or freedom.

I guess what I am saying is look at alcohol, or tobacco. Firearms, R rated movies, fast food, whatever. All are lobbied for, strictly regulated, taxed, and controlled by legitimate businesses who have a stake in their continued availability. Eventually we'll need to get behind somebody with a plan and a whole lot of motivation (money), else this war is apt to go on for a while yet.

For real though, fuckem. I do dream of world where I can plant my weed next to my peppers and not have to worry about bringing any with me camping. It'll be growing, as it used to, right there in the forest. New landraces will emerge, and the old will resurface. The whole earth will live in spiritual harmony, the cannabis plant at the center. That, I believe, is how god intended. Or maybe I just watched Avatar

 

[Kant C Shyt]

I ask if Prop 19 got rejected, what is the next step? Or is it just open season on anything pot. Was it more of a legalizing or decriminilizing that stopped everything? Sorry just haven't been up on this topic lately as i'm on the other coast. Take care keep it green and stay safe 1

 

[Ben Tokin]

Money is by far the most addictive drug of all. Money makes available all of the vices the world has to offer. Power, sex, luxury, drugs and control over others.

As in the 1920's with alcohol, prohibition of drugs fuels a huge underground economy. This crime-ridden economy pays no taxes and the cartel bosses reap huge rewards.

The victims of prohibition are the citizens of those countries that enforce laws that make a pitiful attempt to control moral behavior. With cannabis, it's obvious that morality has nothing to do with its' prohibition. It's also obvious that prohibition has nothing to do with protecting public health or safety. Cannabis is neither immoral nor is it a health concern. It's quite the opposite.

Prohibition is the real problem. It has created armies of criminals that murder scores of people everyday in order to build and maintain market share for their product. It has corrupted and destroyed governments. It has nurtured a distrust of law enforcement and government officials. It has turned neighbor against neighbor, and brother against brother.

The legalization of cannabis and hemp would spawn huge industries and create business opportunities to employ millions. Tens of billions of dollars would be pumped into an economy that today is limp and sputtering. Tens of billions of dollars would be kept inside our country and not exported to criminal and terrorist enterprises. Tens of billions of dollars would be saved from not crucifying our innocent citizens on the cross of ignorance and greed.

The end of prohibition would have a huge positive effect on our entire planet. The creative imagination of the cannabis user would once again be set free to explore the wonders of the imagination, yet to be realized, to build a more prosperous and dynamic society.

But the sad truth is that we have to deal with suppression, brutality, incarceration and indignation at the hands of greed and ignorance.

 

[STRAINZ]

Well said Ben!

Thanx for the article SCF!

.....Where did everyone that voted no on 19 go? What do u guys think now?

 

[STRAINZ]

Today from NORML:

Pot Taxes Are Coming To California
Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:36:21
By: Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director

Share This Article Despite last week’s defeat of Proposition 19 at the polls, new taxes on marijuana are coming to California.

As I write today in High Times online, California voters on election day by wide margins endorsed citywide medical marijuana tax ordinances in Albany, Berkeley, La Puente, Oakland, Rancho Cordova, Richmond, Sacramento, San Jose, and Stockton. You can read the full details of each of these tax measures, as well as Los Angeles’ latest medi-pot tax plan, here.

While the bulk of these new tax plans impose fees on the dispensaries themselves — fees that will no doubt indirectly be passed on to the consumer via higher retail prices for cannabis — at least one plan (Rancho Cordova’s Measure O) seeks to impact patients directly by instituting local fees on personal home grows.

While it is possible (read: likely) that this exorbitant fee will be eventually struck down by the courts as an undue infringement upon patients’ rights under Prop. 215, it could be months or years before such a clarification by the courts is made.

Patient advocacy groups like Americans For Safe Access oppose the implementation of such medi-tax laws, noting that they could unduly raise the already inflated black market price of medical cannabis, lead to fewer dispensaries, and ultimately limit patients’ access. Nonetheless, it is hardly surprising to see a majority of Californians, at a time of record budget deficits, voting to impose additional taxes upon a minority subset of their community.

In short, the success of these tax measures at the ballot box is yet further evidence that with or without Prop. 19, more and more city governments — rightly or wrongly — are going to be looking at new ways to raise revenue from California’s burgeoning cannabis industry and its consumers. Industry insiders and those they represent, patients especially, would be best advised to begin playing an active role in their local politics, or else risk suffering the consequences of unreasonable taxation without representation.

You can read my full thoughts on this developing issue, and comment on it, by clicking here: Like It Or Not, Pot Taxes Are Coming to California.

 

[VIKINGtrich]

Yea sure it's Californias fault that America prosecutes smokers.
Go ahead and Dump on informed voters for not supporting a flawed initiative created by big business.
Maybe you could use your political knowledge to get the MJ legalization ball rolling in your home town. Or move.

LOL...yeah, informed! Cause big business isn't 58 pounds a day...


...........more words from an informed voter.