Prop 19 Results - It has been a long time coming but...

[Cannaseur Kid]

Half you fuckin haters arent even from Cali. The prop was a shitty one and thats that. I could understand it if we were desperate for leniency here in Cali but......... WE ALREADY HAVE IT GOOD. LEO doesn't ride our nuts out here for weed and they definetely aren't wasting time investigating any of you assholes that are growing weed in your fucking closets! LOL! You guys sound like high school kids that are daydreaming under the bleachers... (Ya man we were gonna have fields of weed right off the side of the road where we could just pick whatever we wanna smoke man, The shit will be just like cigarrettes man). Come on. Theres a loooooooooooooong way to go before any of us see a descent proposal that we can stand behind with our heads held up and chests out. Prop 19 was a piece of cheesecloth.... Could't hold water

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^ahaha funny post CK.

today me and my buddy went to harborside....after all was said and done the city of oakland made about SIXTY dollars on us! sixty bucks for TAX ALONE guys!!...oakland already has it good...california already has it good. sorry for the rest of you guys....legalization might have helped it might have not. i dont see how sheriffs in alabama or texas are gonna wanna follow california...most mid western states and the bible belt HATE california and view us as dope smoking hippies....a legalization movement in california might have had adverse effects on out of staters for all you know.

enogh of the pipe dreams, enough of the overdramatic negative posts from those sad about the law.

we got TWO YEARS NOW to make a better bill...and improve our growing skills so that if it finally gets legalized we can be that much better....i got two more years to finalizae my plans for a legal marijuana business so im happy about it, two more years to learn and hone my skills... dont be impatient eventually we will get what we want..

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Isn't it true that you don't even have to show up to a polling site in Cali to vote? I have family there and I thought they mentioned some kind of something like that...

If that's so, it's just a shame that everyone didn't vote (one way or the other) just for the sake of exercising one of their rights as a citizen (which are diminishing as we speak).

no its not that easy....first you gotta mail in a ballot, then they send you a notice to the address you put on the form (hard to do if you are growing, or sketched off the government)

then you gotta take the card to the polling site or ....not rocket science, but enough of an inconveniance that most in the 18-29 party animal demographic would probably not do it. shit i almost barely made it to the polling place thirty minutes before it closed...i was too busy buying my new lumatek light setup at the grow shop and smoking OG kush to get there...but my hatred of nancy pelosi and barbara boxer forced me off my ass

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Originally Posted by Hash Zeppelin View Post
^you have to live in America to understand this one. I really really wish this would have passed, but it really was a poorly written bill as far as American Ideals go. The Important part now is that we all stick together and keep pushing for a better bill. It doesnt matter what state you live in, just keep pushing for a better bill and keep overgrowing.

It's done, it's over, lets all refocus on the next step so the new cali Government and the feds dont kill all the med rights!!!

thats what outta towners werent realizing...this bill was straight monopolization of the market. fuck free enterprise when multi millionaire business moguls are pumping out 50lbs a day.....so many people would end up struggling if that happened. mary jane does make some undeserving people filthy rich, but there are even more deserving people who she simply helps get by. not every grower is driving 50k trucks and ballin out...some barely getting by with rent/electricity bills as is with the rock bottom prices..got a homie riding in a 3k honda civic, his mortgage on the grow house is 5k a month, electricity 1500, after expenses his profit margins are not looking too pretty....shit ive barely made shit off my grow either...most of it is for personal smoke for me and my family. i aint selling 300 zips i do them for 180! very fucking reasonable, any lower and it would just be a very expensive hobby instead of a way to help pay bills....

i think out of staters had a more secret agenda to us voting yes. if legalization passed in california and dispensaries got flooded with warehouse weed...than all the momnpop growers have to adapt and send their crops to the black market, which most of the time ends up in non med states. the huge flood of out of state shipping would crash prices in their local markets and there would be an end to 5k lbs....

 

[StellarP]

Not all smokers/growers have med cards. Yet 1996 the med community looked towards these voters for help in passing a initiative.Remember. Of course not, you were still in grade school.
Fast forward 2010, Proposition 19, as much support as we can get! Portion of the med community turns its back on a proposition that does not effect, relate, or really concern prop.215....Let me pull the knife out! And the way the cities are foaming to go after your MED tax dollars, well...as it goes to vote....aint that a bitch...

Cheers
StellarP

 

[headband 707]

Half you fuckin haters arent even from Cali. The prop was a shitty one and thats that. I could understand it if we were desperate for leniency here in Cali but......... WE ALREADY HAVE IT GOOD. LEO doesn't ride our nuts out here for weed and they definetely aren't wasting time investigating any of you assholes that are growing weed in your fucking closets! LOL! You guys sound like high school kids that are daydreaming under the bleachers... (Ya man we were gonna have fields of weed right off the side of the road where we could just pick whatever we wanna smoke man, The shit will be just like cigarrettes man). Come on. Theres a loooooooooooooong way to go before any of us see a descent proposal that we can stand behind with our heads held up and chests out. Prop 19 was a piece of cheesecloth.... Could't hold water

So I guess all that shit about going to jail for 25 years is all BULLSHIT right?? that just won't happen in the US?? Can I bring my weed accross the boarder too seeing as though it's all good now lol... I know I don't live there but hey being a hater and all it's all on a need to know bases the LEO is all good now right lol.. Good to know lol Headband707

 

[JJScorpio]

I talked to a couple friends in Cali and they both say prop 215 killed 19. I didn't understand at first, but then it made since.

If you're already legal, there's no reason to vote. And most of these people that didn't vote didn't do so because they got their "headache waiver" as one guy calls it and had no need to vote. Why bother caring about your fellow grower if you're already legal?

And another told me that of the 215 people that did vote, most voted no. And many had their family members vote no also.

So according to these two people, who I might add aren't children and are very up to date with what's happening both say 215 caused 19 to fail. I know it does make sense.....

 

[kno3brock]

I disagree JJ, I'm from California and I'm a 215 card carrier as is my girl.

In my opinion 19 failed because this was a midterm election with historically has a lower voter turnout. California has a population of almost 39 million people, but only close to 8 million people cast a ballot for or against 19. The majority of the people that vote in midterm elections are the older voters, in essence, the younger vote stayed home. Poll after poll stated that older voters did not support 19 as they tend to be more conservative.

19 only lost by 620,000 votes. That is not a huge margin in a state of 39 million people. Prop 19 recieved more votes than any other legalization effort and more votes than Meg Witman who ran for governer and spent $140 million of her own money.

I don't think 215 killed this prop although it didnt help, cannabis is all but legal in Ca already. All the arguments about growers vs consumers vs cartels vs taxes vs large corps producing warehouse weed, IMO had a smaller impact of the mind of the general voter than just being older and conservative and actually voting vs being younger and supportive of 19 and being lazy.

One last thing, I have a 215 card as does my girl. I voted yes for the simple fact that I believe cannabis should not be against any law and I hate seeing the huge amounts of money our government wastes fighting cannabis and all the misinformation they continue to spread about a relatively benign substance.

I knew 19 was flawed but it was a huge step forward. I do know one thing, cannabis is closer to being legalized than ever before.

 

[motaco]

I agree with both of the last 2 posts. I do think it was in part that it was during a midterm election, if they would've held the prop 19 vote in 2012 I think it would've passed due to increased turnout of the general cali public.

That being said if legalizing pot doesn't turn out young cali voters then nothing will.

But I think it's also true that med cards are so easy to get, and an economy has already been created from patients selling medicine back to dispensaries, and to weed brokers (which still would've been illegal under 19) that I think a lot of people were thinking "isn't it already legal?"

The medical marijuana movement has been completely abused. But I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Its not as though truly ill people haven't been able to find cannabis, and any others who care enough to use it often can simply get a card under whatever guise they want, and then grow a small patch of weed legally.

My dealer was telling me the same thing. He was saying he's not really in favor of that much legalization. Where anybody can grow pot. Dumb asses would just throw seeds in their backyard and then you'd have middle schoolers sneaking out to rip patches, parents getting mad, etc. There almost certainly would be a backlash.

At least under the medical guise its somewhat hidden, and usually locked up, not just in everyones face. You don't want the lowest common denominator to make us all look bad, and the medical laws sort of mitigate that problem and still end up with the same results. You can grow a small patch and carry so much weed on you at once legally.

 

[Cannaseur Kid]

So I guess all that shit about going to jail for 25 years is all BULLSHIT right?? that just won't happen in the US?? Can I bring my weed accross the boarder too seeing as though it's all good now lol... I know I don't live there but hey being a hater and all it's all on a need to know bases the LEO is all good now right lol.. Good to know lol Headband707

I can't even decipher this shit bro. No you definetely can't take weed across the border though.

 

[zen_trikester]

Half you fuckin haters arent even from Cali. The prop was a shitty one and thats that. I could understand it if we were desperate for leniency here in Cali but......... WE ALREADY HAVE IT GOOD. LEO doesn't ride our nuts out here for weed and they definetely aren't wasting time investigating any of you assholes that are growing weed in your fucking closets! LOL! You guys sound like high school kids that are daydreaming under the bleachers... (Ya man we were gonna have fields of weed right off the side of the road where we could just pick whatever we wanna smoke man, The shit will be just like cigarrettes man). Come on. Theres a loooooooooooooong way to go before any of us see a descent proposal that we can stand behind with our heads held up and chests out. Prop 19 was a piece of cheesecloth.... Could't hold water

I think this statement is very telling... I understand where you guys are coming from with this. This is why voters didn't show to cast a vote and this is why the smoking Californians are split on this. Analyze it all you want, but this is it. There is not enough value to legalization for Californians. Throw this out there in almost any other state and the smokers would jump on it. Put this on a ballot for any state that has no med laws and it would be a landslide. At the very least it would be a record turnout for voters.

i think out of staters had a more secret agenda to us voting yes. if legalization passed in california and dispensaries got flooded with warehouse weed...than all the momnpop growers have to adapt and send their crops to the black market, which most of the time ends up in non med states. the huge flood of out of state shipping would crash prices in their local markets and there would be an end to 5k lbs....

I've been pretty vocal on this issue the past few months. I am an out of stater and live in a state without MMJ. We have an agenda but not what you propose. I'm pretty sure a lot of the MMJ is hitting the blackmarket already, and that is part of our problem. MMJ is being stifled in a lot of states because of the way Cali is taking advantage of it. Yes if I had laws like Cali, I would have a card for a sleeping issue or something and would be doing my thing. Unfortunately, state officials see MMJ as a form of recreational legalization. they see allowing a person to grow their medicine as a way to put more pot on the black market, they see dispensaries as an excuse for more people to start using pot, and they see seriously ill people getting their medicine on the blackmarket and not getting busted so fuck it.

Many states don't allow for voter initiatives and in those states, like mine, it is very hard to get anything going. Wisconsin is a good current example of this because they put two advisory referendums on the ballots in two different municipalities simply asking voters if they would like to see medical marijuana made available and they both passed by 60-70%! Perfect example of a state who's citizens obviously want to jump on the MMJ train but the government won't even consider it. Wisconsin's MMJ bill got shot down last year by simply being ignored until it expired. Nothing the voters of WI can do about it. Certainly they can vote for officials who are pot-friendly, but who are those people? It's not like most politicians list their pot-friendliness next to their views on abortion, immigration and health care! Those people are never pushed through the system by the 2-party system, so we effectively have no voice on the issue.

There are similar stories throughout the country, but WI is the obvious example based on the advisory referendums of last week and the recent disregard of a well written MMJ bill that was left on the house floor like a cigarette butt shoved in a crumpled beer can.

So, don't hate on us out of staters for wanting prop 19 to pass. To us it would be heaven if enacted in our states, but more importantly it was an opportunity to legitimize the Cali med community by separating MMJ from rec MJ. That is REALLY important right now because the lines are obviously crossed in Cali and some other MMJ states. Prop 19 was a way for the federal and other state governments to witness recreational marijuana legalization first hand and expose the balance of their remaining fears/lies about our favorite plant. It would have been an opportunity for other states to consider legalization and remove some of the taboo that prevents even talking about it on a federal level. Maybe it has already done some of that, I guess we'll see, but I don't see this as a starting point anymore. I see prop 19's failure as a huge setback and it will take a while for the movement to recover from it. Maybe it will inspire some real conversation on a federal level, but that has yet to be seen. People on icmag want to believe that a better prop will be on the ballot for next year but I'm not sure about that. There is a huge split of the no-voters in that many want more freedoms and many want less or none. At this point I don't believe that a prop can be written for Cali that will be better for Cali smokers and also better for the fence sitters, prohibitionists and still important enough to get the younger people, especially the 18-21 yr olds, to vote since everyone's reasons for opposing it were different and often contrary.

I am not excited about Cali getting another chance in 2012 because I don't think it will be any different unless the whole med scene goes to shit for some reason. I am far more in favor of another state taking a swing at it like Colorado. Maybe those guys will take this a little bit more seriously from the standpoint of the movement, IDK.

Obviously I'm still bummed about this and disappointed in Californians for not taking what was offered to them. Again, I hope what you guys have now stays for you and allows you the freedoms tomorrow that you have today. It will be interesting to see what if any fallout from this effects that.

Jed

 

[headband 707]

nah bra I was JK .I guess it's this type of shit that bugs me

nah bra I was JK .I guess it's this type of shit that bugs me

I can't even decipher this shit bro. No you definetely can't take weed across the border though.

War on Drug Czar
Deciding that government propaganda was a major obstacle to its ballot initiatives, MPP launched its "War on Drug Czar," filing numerous complaints against Office of National Drug Control Policy chief John P. Walters. In a December 5, 2002 Reuters article, Rob Kampia proclaimed, "We want him out of the picture. We want him excommunicated from the federal government forever".[citation needed]
The complaints, filed with state officials, focused on ONDCP leaders' visits to Alaska, Montana, Nevada, and Oregon. Director John Walters traveled to Nevada and Oregon and Deputy Director Scott Burns traveled to Alaska and Montana to speak against cannabis reform initiatives. However, they did not file any campaign expense reports, which laws in those states require for persons or organizations spending money to either support or oppose ballot measures.[18]
[edit] Radio campaign

In July 2006 MPP launched a radio advertising campaign that calls out prominent public officials, including President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Vice President Al Gore, and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas for using cannabis. The ad, which will run on 141 radio stations nationwide, asks: "Is it fair to arrest three quarters of a million people a year for doing what presidents and a Supreme Court justices have done?"

 

[JJScorpio]

I can guarantee you that if people weren't already legal, and this would have made them legal they'd have taken the time to get out there, mid terms or not. One of these people owns a dispensory and he said he spoke to at least 100 people and only three of them voted...... What does that tell you?

Most people know the US is loaded with some of the most selfish people in the world. As long as they're taken care of that's all that matters. That's why our Country is in the shape it's in.

I disagree JJ, I'm from California and I'm a 215 card carrier as is my girl.

In my opinion 19 failed because this was a midterm election with historically has a lower voter turnout. California has a population of almost 39 million people, but only close to 8 million people cast a ballot for or against 19. The majority of the people that vote in midterm elections are the older voters, in essence, the younger vote stayed home. Poll after poll stated that older voters did not support 19 as they tend to be more conservative.

19 only lost by 620,000 votes. That is not a huge margin in a state of 39 million people. Prop 19 recieved more votes than any other legalization effort and more votes than Meg Witman who ran for governer and spent $140 million of her own money.

I don't think 215 killed this prop although it didnt help, cannabis is all but legal in Ca already. All the arguments about growers vs consumers vs cartels vs taxes vs large corps producing warehouse weed, IMO had a smaller impact of the mind of the general voter than just being older and conservative and actually voting vs being younger and supportive of 19 and being lazy.

One last thing, I have a 215 card as does my girl. I voted yes for the simple fact that I believe cannabis should not be against any law and I hate seeing the huge amounts of money our government wastes fighting cannabis and all the misinformation they continue to spread about a relatively benign substance.

I knew 19 was flawed but it was a huge step forward. I do know one thing, cannabis is closer to being legalized than ever before.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea that is true....alot of people in california dont visit marijuana poliocy forums and didnt realize that 215 was no affected by 19...i dont know how many times i heard the phrase "we already have it good under 215" from people building up to the election...

 

[Nicoli]

is this true?

http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/e1q85/prop_19_uncounted_ballot_update_11510_2_million/

Total Reported Unprocessed Ballots: 2,342,664 (As of 11/5/2010 5:00 pm)

?????

 

[Sandnut]

fuck goverments and laws i do what the fuck i want.

FUCK GOVERMENTS that's how i feel right now

 

[krunchbubble]

is this true?

http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/e1q85/prop_19_uncounted_ballot_update_11510_2_million/

Total Reported Unprocessed Ballots: 2,342,664 (As of 11/5/2010 5:00 pm)

?????

hmmmm, interesting......

dick lee already conceded defeat though........

 

[headband 707]

I can guarantee you that if people weren't already legal, and this would have made them legal they'd have taken the time to get out there, mid terms or not. One of these people owns a dispensory and he said he spoke to at least 100 people and only three of them voted...... What does that tell you?

Most people know the US is loaded with some of the most selfish people in the world. As long as they're taken care of that's all that matters. That's why our Country is in the shape it's in.

Yeah I totally agree with this one it's the exact same thing here with the ppl that have thier licences they say things like "I have my licence why should I worry about anyone else?" These guys are all making money off the sick and doing fine and don't care about anyone else and that is just the way it is I'm afraid.. I do hate to say it's not greed but it is greed no matter how you look at it . If it's not from our own ppl it's from our Gov.
The dayz of caring about the person because they are sick and they need help are gone with the buck..Then sad part is if they don't knock this shit off it's just going to get worse and no one is going to want to stay here with these assholes peace out Headband707

 

[zen_trikester]

is this true?

http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/e1q85/prop_19_uncounted_ballot_update_11510_2_million/

Total Reported Unprocessed Ballots: 2,342,664 (As of 11/5/2010 5:00 pm)

?????

May not be over yet? Hmmm... I smell a revote!!!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ballots-found-floating-in-pond-106735728.html

Missing SF ballots found floating in pond

Associated Press
11/04/10 10:10 PM EDT


SAN FRANCISCO — Approximately 75 voting ballots that disappeared when officials say a San Francisco polling inspector took off with them Tuesday have been found.
John Arntz, San Francisco's director of elections, said Thursday the ballots were found floating in a pond at the Palace of Fine Arts in the city's Marina neighborhood.
Arntz described the ballots as "waterlogged." A memory pack that records information from the ballots, and a voting roster that also disappeared have not been recovered.
Because the chain of custody of the ballots was broken, Arntz said he was seeking advice from the city attorney's office on how best to proceed with the recovered ballots.
Karl Bradfield Nicholas, the polling inspector accused in the case was due to be arraigned Friday on three felony charges, including alleged violations of the California Elections Code.
Nicholas, 50, was in charge of a polling site in the city's southernmost district when he inexplicably left the site Tuesday afternoon with the ballots, according to Arntz and prosecutors.
"Every indication we had in our interactions with him was that he was a good candidate to be an inspector at that polling place," Arntz said after Nicholas was arrested Wednesday.
Nicholas had gone through a vetting process that included an assessment test and training class, Arntz said. Inspectors receive a $200 stipend for their work.
Authorities have not determined a motive for the alleged theft. It's not known if Nicholas had retained an attorney.






Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ap/missing-sf-ballots-found-floating-in-pond-106735728.html#ixzz14XMy0tIX

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[ddrew]

May not be over yet? Hmmm... I smell a revote!!!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ballots-found-floating-in-pond-106735728.html

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Revote! Revote! Revote!​

 

[zen_trikester]

drug czar coming on NOW on CNN! Norml refute his BS in a couple of hours.

jed