Progressive rust/yellow few weeks into flower

[i love herb]

i cant do anything about the frequency of water, unless i drown them...


its a basement so the temps are 65 ambient, 5 gallon grow bags for 8 weeks plants... its a combination of too much soil and low temps. therefore the plants dont uptake as much, and it takes longer for the bottom part of the 5 gallon bag to dry out. at least in the early part of flowering due to the roots havent stretched to the bottom yet.


im stoned so im prolly rambling


<3 sativa

 

[i love herb]

stitch, ive done everything you've told me to do the past few weeks...

 

[MynameStitch]

Oh I know that; I was explaining to him that I told you what he was telling you already

 

[Guest]

Oh I know that; I was explaining to him that I told you what he was telling you already

And I know that sir . I read the thread b4 commenting. I just figured since I use the same nutes and had the same exact problemo and am still working on getting it just right I coulld help with the numbers I have on hand to help him out.

As promised I love Herb

1 gal water ppm -140(max) EC .2
add 10ml pbp bloom ppm- 625(est) EC-.9
add 8ml hygro ppm-700(max) EC- 1.0
add 10ml karma ppm-840(max) EC-1.2
add 3ml cal mag ppm-980(max) EC-1.4
add 8ml sweet ppm-1120(max) EC-1.6

FINISH ppm 1120 EC 1.6
subtract the initial 140 since you run RO and ur numbers are ppm 980 ec 1.4
So that would be good for some lighter feeders at their peak while I'd prob go heavier with heavy feeding indicas or your occasianal hungary lady strain. thoughts? I Iike that regimen too cuz I bet it would allow for more feeding b4 a need to flush or atleast any signs of lock out occur. those temps tho def are a culprit too. Hopefully these number can help you adjust and tweak.

 

[i love herb]

i ended up giving:

15ml bloom
3ml cal mag
8ml hygrozyme
10ml karma


for a first bloom feeding to my babies 2 weeks into flowering



ill hit with regular RO water next watering then ill hit with prolly 20ml of bloom, depending on how they look after the feed/water

on second thought, a buddy of mine i know IRL that grows uses almost the same nute lineup, he uses his bloom booster pretty early... so ill consider giving the same 15ml of bloom but maybe add 2ml of bloom enhancer(hydroplex) instead of more pbp bloom

thanks for running those numbers, helps a lot

 

[MynameStitch]

See the problem with those numbers are this: hydro levels can be higher than soil levels because soil has nutrients available and the only way you can find out what ppms is already in your soil is if you water your soil; so unless you have the same mixture he has there is no way to get an exact and proper amount of PPMS


so you would have to take those PPMS he has and add the ppms from what is already in your soil mixture and get the final tally.....

which imo will be to strong.

2 out of thousands of people I have helped have opted to use this strong of a dosage.....

 

[i love herb]

i used the much lighter dosage and got yellowing at the bottom, just the same when i was using 30ml...


ultimately what we did, i got the same results, cept a little different. very little different.


the increased dosage from what you recommended is still half the strength i was giving from the get go.


also now that roots have established nicely im hoping they dry out so i can water twice a week


1 feed
1 water
1 feed
1 water
etc.

instead of trying to feed lighter dosages every watering

 

[i love herb]

next time ill be using different soil, gonna go back to ocean forest i had great success with that wit 30% perlite. Using 3 gallons grow bags instead of 5.


the ocean forest soil is a bit more hot than happy frog, so i wont have to use much grow at all... once i put into flower with 2 gallons of fresh soil i wont have to do much but give karma and hygrozyme. at least until i see some prebuds, then ill hit with a nice light bloom forumla

 

[MynameStitch]

1 feed
1 water
1 feed
1 water
etc.

Now that is much better
Ya, I always start out low when someone gets nutrient burn that way it won't happen again with that person
ALWAYS better to start out light and increase slowly. If you have seen as many plants get burned 2 times within it's life period you will see what damage it can do.

Not trying to breath down your throat and tell you how to grow or anything like that; you take advice what you see fit for your growing style; everyone's is different and there is no one way to grow a plant

 

[i love herb]

ya ive done a lot more experimenting these last few grows... ive truly learned a lot... thats ultimately what its all about.


but i feel still so far away from optimal, its still very frustrating

 

[Guest]

See the problem with those numbers are this: hydro levels can be higher than soil levels because soil has nutrients available and the only way you can find out what ppms is already in your soil is if you water your soil; so unless you have the same mixture he has there is no way to get an exact and proper amount of PPMS


so you would have to take those PPMS he has and add the ppms from what is already in your soil mixture and get the final tally.....

which imo will be to strong.

2 out of thousands of people I have helped have opted to use this strong of a dosage.....

At the very least those numbers show him how many PPM's each amount of each nute or sup he has will make a gal of RO water raise. Thus giving him more knowledge about his nutes and what they are doing to his WATER! nothing else. Growing is a biological science anyway. All nute calcs dont do you shit without knowledge of a plants bio mechinisms. i would hope he would take into account if he was in hydro(coco, hydroton, soiless) or soil. I simply was giving him some data to use in his grow. he asked me to get some data from a certain formula and I did. data is only as good as the people studying it or atleast know how to use it for their gains. OUT

 

[MynameStitch]

Well ya, obviously; but what I am saying is he does not know the ppm count after his run off in his soil before feedings....... so for all he knows he could be adding 900 more ppms to that list.....

All I am saying is the final ppm mixyou gave him is not the total that is going into his plant; there is more so you can't go by the total being what you posted; yes that is the ppms that is going into his plant but the final count after it is watered is not the total of what is going into his plant; the nutrients that is already in the soil and left over nutrients that was there from last feedings you also need to take in a count for,..... so I know that ppm mixture is higher than that I would be it's a minimum of 1500. So by telling him to go ahead and use that much not knowing what is left/already in his soil was not good..... that is why I brought the subject up.

 

[Guest]

Well ya, obviously; but what I am saying is he does not know the ppm count after his run off in his soil before feedings....... so for all he knows he could be adding 900 more ppms to that list.....

All I am saying is the final ppm mixyou gave him is not the total that is going into his plant; there is more so you can't go by the total being what you posted; yes that is the ppms that is going into his plant but the final count after it is watered is not the total of what is going into his plant; the nutrients that is already in the soil and left over nutrients that was there from last feedings you also need to take in a count for,..... so I know that ppm mixture is higher than that I would be it's a minimum of 1500. So by telling him to go ahead and use that much not knowing what is left/already in his soil was not good..... that is why I brought the subject up.

I wasn't telling him to do so just giving him the data he asked for. And an opinion about the strength of a dose relative to final ppms. You can over do it and flush once in a while in soil and have no worries. Why over complicate things. I never knew exactly and did fine. I just can fine tune it now but some people dont have the meter so why not just let him know how many ppms are in say 10 ml of PBP or 8ml of hygo. Data and raw figures help smart people more than preaching techniques. He obviously can grow the ganja. He's just having a few small issues and data can help rather than people just telling him random things like ur over ferting, ur over watering, ur this, ur that. the guy isn't a moron and understands nute build up just needed to know how strong of a dose he was giving. he knows about his mix being hot now he nows that a reg dose of his specific nutes is hot based on a proper meter reading rather than opinion alone. Shit a little math and I bet he could tell me how many ppms 30 ml of PBP has. Soil is forgiving so a meter isn't totally necessary but having one will really solve any problems.............LIKE rambling pot heads on this thread( im one of em but not the only). OKAY I PROMISE IM DONE.

 

[i love herb]

both of you have been instrumental in getting the problem corrected... i just hope its corrected... haha


time of course will tell that


again i appreciate both of your time

 

[MynameStitch]

I never try to make things complicated all I do is work around people who are new to growing which is why I find myself hard to explain things in terms they can understand.
As for the ppm's he requested fine I told you I was not talking about that; what I was commenting on is your "final total" value you given him, because it was not the final total given the fact you did not know what was in his soil and how much ppm's are in his soil mixture.

I am glad you helped him out and added all those nutrients, but again like I said he is putting more into his plant given what is in the soil too.

He obviously can grow the ganja.

Well obviosly he can that is quite apparent! He grows some kick ass plants; he just needs to stop being so self esteemed thinking he can't

Soil is not more forgiving; hydro is more forgiving, soil holds that crap in and you gotta flush way more in there where hydro you just drain and add more nutrients.


Soil holds in more; not arguing but I am being a bit picky lol
No worries though we all have our opinions and I tell peeps to express that

 

[Guest]

I never try to make things complicated all I do is work around people who are new to growing which is why I find myself hard to explain things in terms they can understand.
As for the ppm's he requested fine I told you I was not talking about that; what I was commenting on is your "final total" value you given him, because it was not the final total given the fact you did not know what was in his soil and how much ppm's are in his soil mixture.

I am glad you helped him out and added all those nutrients, but again like I said he is putting more into his plant given what is in the soil too.



Well obviosly he can that is quite apparent! He grows some kick ass plants; he just needs to stop being so self esteemed thinking he can't

Soil is not more forgiving; hydro is more forgiving, soil holds that crap in and you gotta flush way more in there where hydro you just drain and add more nutrients.


Soil holds in more; not arguing but I am being a bit picky lol
No worries though we all have our opinions and I tell peeps to express that

Dont leave this guy hanging dude. he wrote a book of info on ur request . http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1364621#post1364621

And ur right its all opinion. Cuz I'll never believe hydro is easier than soil. In my OPINION for noobs I would never suggest going hydro 1st. So much more going on in hydro. You need to supply every nute the plant needs while soil is a great buffer between harsh nutes and such. Possible to make more mistakes(likely for noobs) with soil and not have it be of great effect so quickly. I feel hydro is so touchy. that was my experince with it atleast. I'm going hydro on my next move so I hope I can swing it now. Last time went well just didnt like the PH swing and stuff when I had no meters. I did DWC buckets. Thinking of tables or a bucket ebb flow system.

 

[i love herb]

wtf, i cant upload pictures?

 

[MynameStitch]

Herb, ya it's affecting everyone...... DO not know when the problem will be fixed permanatly... it's been going on and off for a week or more now.....

 

[i love herb]

Harvested the Purple Kush


that is some sweet smelling herb, im very excited to chief on this

 

[i love herb]

the new flowering girls, about 10 days into flower
























hermies?





they continue to yellow from top to bottom


ive been feeing them

15ml bloom
8ml hygrozyme
8ml sweet
4ml cal mag
10ml karma

then

8ml sweet water


then the same as above


im just gonna have to be ok with unhealthy bullshit plants


ill post updated pics of them sometime this week, they are prolly closer to day 20 flowering now