Progressive rust/yellow few weeks into flower

[i love herb]

still the same fox farm happy frog which is pretty light soil


ocean forest is their hottest
then happy frog
then light warrior


if i understand correctly

the only thing i add is perlite... prolly 30%

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, and some lime if you like; you do not need to but I would.
I would water next when ever your watering is next

Considering you like heavy feeding of plants; I would go easy next feeding.

Half the amount you use and then after that feeding normal feeding amount.. then water then normal feed.

 

[i love herb]

bottle says 30ml, people say they use 15ml

ill hit them with 10ml their first feeding of bloom

 

[i love herb]

Purple kush is getting close to being done, watered her straight up water last night. Ill see how the trichomes look in a few days when shes dry. If i need to feed or flush.

PURPLE!!!

 

[i love herb]

The babies are doing the exact same thing... they are almost 2 weeks into 12/12 and beginning to yellow. Im so ****ing frustrated you have no idea.

 

[MynameStitch]

Just give it some extra nitrogen herb; thats all they need some extra N
They look great man you are going to have some good smoke!

 

[Guest]

i have had the same issues man. Same nutes and almost same regimen. I've had it hit worse and not so bad. I got a PPM meter now and let me tell you. You're burning em with the 30 ml ration with additionals like the cal mag. The ppms on the .7 scale go thru the roof with 30mls let alone any addatives like veg or bloom boosters. It just started a little for me in week 4 1/2 so im flushing and recording all the data. the numbers make total sense to me and I know now to chill a bit on the PBP nute regimen I've been doing. The PPM meter is the bomb shit. It makes it almost fun to test run off and keep an eye on nute toxicity and PH.

My question for the peeps following is this is?

Here's some data:

flush water per plant-5 gal for each 3 gal bag 2/3 full of soil.
-50ml hygro- to help adj PH to around 5. so run off is 6.5-7 at end
-EC .6 (420 ppm @ .7 scale) PBP bloom to acheive it.

Run off results
1st water out of bag EC- 3.6 nuclear basically PH-6.5
2nd test last water out EC-.9 (650 ppm) PH- 7

This is how most ended up of the 40. Very consistent and I was pleased. I need to know though how soon should I feed them a good dose for the 5th week. Should I raise the PPM level now while still wet or wait for them to dry 6-7 days b4 hitting them with a proper nute level.
I plan on giving them their 3rd dose of Kabloom and start the sugar supplementing for the next dose. Whats a good EC/PPM for the 5th week considering they are mostly sitting at a low EC of .9 and require more for this cruicial time of budding.

Thanks in advance for any advice or help.

 

[i love herb]

Just give it some extra nitrogen herb; thats all they need some extra N
They look great man you are going to have some good smoke!

when i transplanted them and put them into 12/12 i gave them about 6ml of grow at that time.

so fresh soil and grow for 12/12... that should be plenty of N for them


calyxlover: i understand 30ml is too much now... you should read the entire thread as ive taken the advice in this thread, dropped way down. and im still having the exact same problem. yellowing in the first few weeks of flowering...

 

[MynameStitch]

The only other option is checking your ph, but you told me it was in range; so if it is in deed in range and there is showing no other signs of burn then it is deficient in nitrogen. You are the first person besides Mister postman that uses so much and such a heavy feeding regimen, but you also use a plant metabolizer as well; I think some strains just do not like certain nutrients to well.


Not to mention you feed every 7 days which is very different so you feed every watering; your grow style is little different from others, which you will need to work out the quarks, otherwise you are going to keep getting these problems.

 

[i love herb]

honestly im willing to change everything except the nutes at this point. completely new regimen is fine with me

 

[MynameStitch]

Have you tried watering every 5 days instead of 7?
7 days is a long time stretch; also I forgot to mention when you let soil dry out completely when it is organic; it makes the plant harder to absorb the nutrients; the soil has to stay somewhat moist.....

Those bags got drainage holes right?

 

[i love herb]

of course the bags have holes


and i water when they feel light


i can water every 2 days but doesnt mean they are ready... i dont think in 5 days they are ready.

 

[MynameStitch]

Those bags must be a little to big for the plant then if you are needing to water every 7 days...... I would try using a smaller bag size if possible but not to little to where they get rootbound.

If you can water in between feedings you should be able to not have these issues.
Never seen such hungry plants; but like I said that hydro plant metabolizer you are using I think is causing a lot of these issues; good thing you are switching to something different. If you did not use that; you would have burned the hell out of your plants by now.

 

[i love herb]

ya i think 5 gallon is too large for a 8 week flowering plant

 

[Guest]

ya i think 5 gallon is too large for a 8 week flowering plant

I use 3 gal bags that i trim off the top inch or two. I also fill at most 75% with dirt/mix and I water about every 5 days with few week veg. 8-10 weekers here. My GF is like 8 and the blue is like 10 with others in the middle and I run the same size for all pretty much unless its a mother or bigger. % gal are big bags and I use those for my big 4 ft or taller MOMs.


Oh and I just ran a little test to somewhat help you see about the 30 mls of PBP nutes per gal. i used to measure 1 oz and then add supplements. Some of which add EC/ppm like cal-mag, PH adj(heavy ppm's for amount used) and others that dont like hygrozyme(does bring PH down tho which is nice cuz I have akaline water to start so sometimes I dont need PH adj which is GREAT with its high PPMs.)

Okay I have no pyrex measuring cup(broke last night during a flush )

1 gal water from tap: EC- .2 PPM @ .7 scale- approx 120-140 ppms

Add 3 caps of veg PBP(about an once I'd say)- EC 3.0 PPM-2000ppm OMFG no way.

Now thats with no cal mag, PH adj or anything. Organics will tend to be able to go hard and not hurt a plant as much as chems so quick but those values are nuclear. It took a long time for me to see this any have had the same exact probs right down to a high PH duriing flushes. the PPM meter has opened my eyes to the REAL amount of ferts out ladies need. I can save money dammit

Oh and I believe my PH run off being high is from lime I have in my soil. I Ph my run off to about 5 and get end rusults like 6.5-7.0 when I test the last gal of run off.

 

[i love herb]

you tested 3 cap fulls? how much is that in ML?

my water is RO water so its close to 0 ppm


and since im not using 30ml any more that test doesnt matter much, can you try 15ml and tell me ppm of that?

pure plend pro bloom

 

[Guest]

you tested 3 cap fulls? how much is that in ML?

my water is RO water so its close to 0 ppm


and since im not using 30ml any more that test doesnt matter much, can you try 15ml and tell me ppm of that?

pure plend pro bloom

i was just showing you how much we were BOTH nailing our girls with B4. Little hard to say the least. Esp if they are only getin fert and no water to dilute it through out the week. My room has been very stable and cool lately so I need adjust for their feeding habits. I always got the same thing usually earlier until I started investigating. then the PPM meter was like the Sherlock Holmes of the deal. My water started at about 120 so subtract that and the reading should spot on for ur RO water. Tell you what. Let me get a new measuring device so I can add 15 ml(closer to my new regimen which seems to really help) later on and I'll give some results for ya bro. I just use the PPM meter now anyway so I haven't measured like that in a bit. And i'll do some bloom seeing that ur in that phase. I'm almost out so I used the VEG lol. No biggie I need more anywho . I need to get some Kharma, and Cal-Mag too. I get a little lower leave drop still in mid flower to late. Cal-Mag def i think cuz I dont use it yet. But shit stays pretty green right up until final flush phase. Minor lock out issues prob from early on when I didn't have it. Quickly solved by flushing.

 

[i love herb]

sweet... i plan on hitting them with 10-15 ml of bloom
8ml hygrozyme
10ml karma
3ml cal mag
8ml sweet

and alternating feed/water

 

[Guest]

sweet... i plan on hitting them with 10-15 ml of bloom
8ml hygrozyme
10ml karma
3ml cal mag
8ml sweet

and alternating feed/water

Whats up with the SWEET? saw it but never read about it or its purpose. Is it like a sugar supplement for flowering? Or in other words a molasses substitute?

Plus if you're nute strength is a little weak you'll notice from experience of growth speed and such plus PBP is very soluble so a little N def is quickly recitfied. I love the stuff esp compared to more complicated more expensive stuff. Off to the store.

 

[MynameStitch]

I tried to explain to him from the start how much nutrients he was using but he used mister postmans thread to explain that he was using the same amount of nutrients and he was getting green growth.

So I Dunno; Mister postman also did not water every 7 days either he always fed them intervals of 2 weeks and 3rd week just water.

So like I said from the beginning his feeding is to high along with no water in between feedings.