problem: too much drainage, day 35 of flower

[CaptJamesTKirk]

just say no you didn't read it and don't make excuses.

If the water can't penetrate - speed has little to do with it. I've never seen it as a problem with foxfarms - but something has is interfereing with absorbtion.
growing about 20 years

 

[Sinfuldreams]

If there is an absorbion problem, you can find out by bottom watering.. just pour enough in untill it no longer soaks it up.
If your using the same amount it's drainage.( Needs more compost ).. but if you use more and can wait longer between feedings you have a absorbion issue.

Sin

 

[Guest]

I already know about the surfactant properties of detergents. They aren't really needed if you water slowly. I only use surfactants rarely (when misting with neem oil or folair feeding). Watering slowly makes a world of difference. This comes from 12 years of growing experience. How long have you been growing?

I agree completely.....

What is normal is that initially the water will run off the overly dried soil.....



Adding a small amount of water... and allow that to be absorbed allows the soil to absorb water quite well.... once the outer crust is moist then the soil will take water normally...

Watering slowly is the key....

 

[Guest]

I'm confused as to what this guys problem is now,his thread states the water just runs through too quickly not that its hydrophobic,or wont absorb water.Dishsoap is used on hydrophobic soil,not on a medium that just lets the water run through.If you cant transplant for some reason I wouldnt use any dishsoap unless I'm misunderstanding and your soil is indeed hydrophobic.From the title of your thread that doesnt seem the case to me.Another words,if the soil is repelling the water,dishsoap is the answer.If the water is just pouring through and not becoming saturated,you need a transplant.It sounds like if you would have added some vermiculite you may be in better shape and I dont think a wetting agent would help your problem.

 

[Guest]

He says he is using straight soil with no perlite....

Thats the problem...

without the perlite his soil is probably compacting and taking on the characteristics of a brick....

Water slowly use a surfactant and repot using perlite....

all of those things should help....

 

[Guest]

OOgle it sounds to me like he's using a growbag and the water is just pouring straight through without any retention,how would a wetting agent help that situation?I just read the initial post If I'm misunderstanding I apologize but a medium that has no retention cant be helped with a wetting agent

 

[glock23]

Let's wait on the OP to report back on his watering style. I bet he's just pouring it on as fast as possible.

CaptKirk: I did say I didn't read it didn't I Or implied it, rather.

BTW, it definitely sounds like you need to transplant. Try a 7.5 gallon or 10 gallon growbag. I'll be using 15 gallon ones outdoors this year.

 

[sensirocker]

im getting really confused....
i dont have time to type this all out right now, but i will after i come back from class....

-sR

 

[Guest]

Damn its not his watering style I dont think,its his medium!If the water is pouring straight through whether he's pouring fast or slow its still not retaining enough moisture/water/nutes.its just running stright through.I dont see how a wetting agent is going to help that situation.Now if I'm misunderstanding and the soil is "hydrophobic"(same thing that happens at alien landing sites),then yes a wetting agent would be needed.Big difference between hydrophobic soil thats like a brick that water just runs off like a ducks back and having a drainage problem because there is too much perlite or no vermiculite or whatever,big difference.I'm just trying to figure out exactly what the problem is now.Hhahah thats pretty bad for all of us lol

 

[Guest]

I thought water 2-3 days was natural....

get a pot with a cap thing on the bottom of it, or transfer into better medium. I hate adding shit to my soil, seems like the less I do/add the better my plants are...

 

[sensirocker]

update:

i just watered the ECSD with half the amount of water that i usually use... only this time i watered very slowly. I used about 2.5 red cups full of pure water... nothing leaked out....

In two days i will be feeding the entire garden. During normal feeding i feed th ECSD about 4 -5 cups of water, sometimes 6 if shes super dry. Before i go with the soap, i want to try and water her slowly with the 4-5 cups and see what happens... if this fails then im going to try the soap... if that fails then im going cry like a little girl and start thinking about how im going to transplant this monster. However, with the way things went today with the 1/2 amount of water, i think that watering slowly may be the best way to do it, then ill try the next option.....

-sR

 

[TheFlyinHaWyn!]

why don't you just put something/container under your pot/bag to catch the excess water, and then let the plant pull it up from the bottom as it needs it....the roots will stretach if they are searching for water, and the bags have many holes on the bottom, then you won't be watering as much....it is ok to let the bag stand i waterm as long as it not an excessive amount...the plant will use what it needs, and get the rest from the excess run-off.....people have all kinds of shit they use on their plants, although i have never tried the soap version.......good luck!

 

[sensirocker]

because theres a layer of hydro balls on the bottom of the bag and i dont think the roots will be able to go through that many hydroballs.

 

[Truth]

just say no you didn't read it and don't make excuses.

If the water can't penetrate - speed has little to do with it. I've never seen it as a problem with foxfarms - but something has is interfereing with absorbtion.
growing about 20 years

and once again Kirk is proven wrong and sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Why do you troll? Just because you tell people knowledge doesn't mean it fits the situation. You seem to poke around and give people advice, yet you fail in your own growing ventures. I think you should worry about getting your grow methods down right before making suggestions to others. You don't need to lie about your growing experience, because it is evident. You basically wasted 15 seeds of Original Hashplant from Sensei with your mistakes, yet you are cocky enough to put down people and give incorrect advice. Live and Learn. Your knowledge is all regurgitated cut and paste, nothing from personal experience. if you don't believe me, check out this guys posts. he attacks anyone with whom he doesn't agree with.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

and once again Kirk is proven wrong and sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Why do you troll? Just because you tell people knowledge doesn't mean it fits the situation. You seem to poke around and give people advice, yet you fail in your own growing ventures. I think you should worry about getting your grow methods down right before making suggestions to others. You don't need to lie about your growing experience, because it is evident. You basically wasted 15 seeds of Original Hashplant from Sensei with your mistakes, yet you are cocky enough to put down people and give incorrect advice. Live and Learn. Your knowledge is all regurgitated cut and paste, nothing from personal experience.

I'll post up with some pix - I just wana make sure we understand troll as one who posts the above crap.

Tell me - What's wrong with the Hashplant?


Now who's the troll? and who sprouts lies?

Check the mirror dude it's you - - again

 

[Truth]

so are you willing to apologize to some users in this thread?

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

so are you willing to apologize to some users in this thread?

I can't apologize for your ignorance or behavior.

Like I said before - your knowlege is limited to what you could rip-off and memorize from Jorge and your were cautioned about trolling in that thread, so you forgot already?

 

[Truth]

wtf is jorge? lol! I've never read a grow book in my life! I've learned from experience and reading, but not grow books. that was your thread where clowntown posted, and I had legitimate questions about your grow, which both of you tried to say was trolling, mostly because YOU didn't want to answer or didn't have one...

this guy goes around trolling threads and anyone who disagrees with him he attacks, he even likes to give -rep to people in threads he doesn't even post in, who is a troll when they give neg rep for reasons such as these (and thats not even half of them)...

so far, him and clowntown are overshadowed by all the positive rep I get, they are the ONLY 2 that have ever given me bad rep, while many many others have all given positive. quit trolling troll.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Jorge Cervantes's book - ya dumb-ass.

And you started the rep thing - I like to make sure you get your money's worth

 

[Truth]

Jorge Cervantes's book - ya dumb-ass.

why must you use vulgar language? I've never read OR even seen the cover of the book in question. You assume too much, as always. Obviously you have read the book, since you think you know so much about it. True growing skills don't come from a book... it comes from experience. I started the 'rep thing'? get serious! quit trolling!