PRed and American Sativas - 2014 - OD Grow

[idiit]

idiit, do we know if OG member Bushman was indeed the same person as the reggae singer?

Ouaip this line Lambsbread was collected backstage on Bushman's concert by a french rasta lover called GrowDan few years ago. Then the seeds came in the hands of another french landrace lover called Rahan, who has with friends worked and selected P1s from the Jamaican singer to produce multiple generations and reduce hermies.

^^ roms: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=217540&page=2

^^ respect to growdan and all the preservationists that contributed greatly to the preservation of many old landraces.



1).there is a reggae singer "bushman" who gifted jlb to the now deceased growdan:

2).there are bushman strains; bushman's fast sativa (oz and african) for example.

3). there was an og member "bushman".

as for sorting it all out i am looking for roms, rahan, mustafunk, greengrocer, kaiki, etc....

 

[rik78]

nice detective work guys, love it!

 

[idiit]

Group 3 - 1974 PRed - This was one I worked with long ago and was originally gifted from a guy at Overgrow.com named Bushman who supposedly found it in his dads footlocker, he was a Merchant Marine.

^^ by this quote from greengrocer it sounds like the '74 panama red was sourced from a different bushman than the reggae singer unless the reggae singer was an og member.

this would mean that the jlb came from the musician tied into bob marley's crew and the '74 panama red probably came from an og member who found some grail type seeds in his dad's footlocker; different bushmans would be my bet.

thanks, thule!

 

[Mustafunk]

The Overgrow member who first shared the seeds was nicknamed Rushman, not Bushman... I've confirmed this with Rahan, who later run a reproduction, so it was probably just a mispelling.

Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to see those longer flowering Panama (via Chile), those lavender buds that Charlie posted were amazing indeed.

This are my favourite pics from the Panama'74 (by JG), although I've seen some other compact wideleaf phenos too:

Vibes all.

 

[GreenGrocer]

Hi all

Yes you are right it was Rushman and I apologize for the confusion. he was not to my knowledge a musician and had no connections to Jamaica. he found the seeds in his dads footlocker.

As for the story posted above, I believe it was just a story and the description given was the exact same as the Columbian Red I smoked in the 70s. There were many shipments of this coming in, sounds like a nice story but wasn't the PRed. What they had was an Indica (Hashy smell). The buds looked like small red balls, they were extremely sticky and hard to keep lit. It has a very red eye couchy head, nice and strong but NOT a sativa IMHO.

The original PRed and many of the Columbian sats begin life with fat leaf then get thinner and smaller as the plant grows. The highland strains seem to begin life thin leaf.

Hope this helps.

Best vibes
GG

 

[GreenGrocer]

Hi all

Here is some interesting info I looked up this morning on Panama, it is my understanding that most PRed is and has been grown on the islands off the mainland and always has been. But this is just heresay.

Here is the Elevation and Climate info:

Elevation of Panama:

The dominant feature of the country's landform is the central spine of mountains and hills that forms the continental divide. The divide does not form part of the great mountain chains of North America, and only near the Colombian border are there highlands related to the Andean system of South America. The spine that forms the divide is the highly eroded arch of an uplift from the sea bottom, in which peaks were formed by volcanic intrusions.

The mountain range of the divide is called the Cordillera de Talamanca near the Costa Rican border. Farther east it becomes the Serranía de Tabasará, and the portion of it closer to the lower saddle of the isthmus, where the canal is located, is often called the Sierra de Veraguas. As a whole, the range between Costa Rica and the canal is generally referred to by Panamanian geographers as the Cordillera Central.

The highest point in the country is the Volcán Barú (formerly known as the Volcán de Chiriquí), which rises to 3,475 meters (11,401 ft). The apex of a highland that includes the nation's richest soil, the Volcán Barú is still referred to as a volcano, although it has been inactive for millennia. It offers a view of both the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean.




Climate Info on Panama:

Panama has a tropical climate. Temperatures are uniformly high—as is the relative humidity—and there is little seasonal variation. Diurnal ranges are low; on a typical dry-season day in the capital city, the early morning minimum may be 24 °C (75.2 °F) and the afternoon maximum 29 °C (84.2 °F). The temperature seldom exceeds 32 °C (89.6 °F) for more than a short time.

Temperatures on the Pacific side of the isthmus are somewhat lower than on the Caribbean, and breezes tend to rise after dusk in most parts of the country. Temperatures are markedly cooler in the higher parts of the mountain ranges, and frosts occur in the Cordillera de Talamanca in western Panama.

Climatic regions are determined less on the basis of temperature than on rainfall, which varies regionally from less than 1,300 millimeters (51.2 in) to more than 3,000 millimeters (118.1 in) per year. Almost all of the rain falls during the rainy season, which is usually from May through November, but varies in length from seven to nine months, with certain exception due to Monsoons The cycle of rainfall is determined primarily by two factors: moisture from the Caribbean, which is transported by north and northeast winds prevailing during most of the year, and the continental divide, which acts as a rainshield for the Pacific lowlands. A third influence that is present during the late autumn is the southwest wind off the Pacific. This wind brings some precipitation to the Pacific lowlands, modified by the highlands of the Península de Azuero, which form a partial rainshield for much of central Panama. In general, rainfall is much heavier on the Caribbean than on the Pacific side of the continental divide. The annual average in Panama City is little more than half of that in Colón. Although rainy-season thunderstorms are common, the country is outside the hurricane belt.





My guess is highland strains come from the Tea producing regions. Would love Charlies thougts on this.

Best Vibes and more soon,

GG

 

[GreenGrocer]

Daylight and Sun Maps

Daylight and Sun Maps

Hi all

Another AWESOME site with a ton of ionfo on temps and sunlight for almost any place on earth if you wish to try to duplicate is:

GAISMA
Gaisma website provides sunrise, sunset, dusk and dawn times for thousands of locations all over the world. Sun data is shown in table format for selected dates and as a graph for the whole year. Possible daylight saving times are taken in the account.

PANAMA
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/panama.html


Other Cool Site: Global Relief Maps

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/global.html

ETOPO1 is a 1 arc-minute global relief model of Earth's surface that integrates land topography and ocean bathymetry. It was built from numerous global and regional data sets, and is available in "Ice Surface" (top of Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets) and "Bedrock" (base of the ice sheets) versions. Historic ETOPO2v2 and ETOPO5 global relief grids are deprecated but still available.

new NGDC has utilized the ETOPO1 Global Relief Model to calculate the volumes of the world's oceans and to derive a hypsographic curve of Earth's surface.

MAPS such as this and MORE!



Hope this is enjoyable. If not will cut back on the data.

Best Vibes!
GG

 

[GreenGrocer]

Oaxacans - Sprouted

Oaxacans - Sprouted

Hi all

Just a little note that I sprouted 7/8 Oaxacan seeds gifted to me by a friend and supposedly sent from one of my original sources for PRed back when I began working on it.

We will see what they look like. Should have some pics of the sprouted seeds in a day for the record.



I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday weekend ~ Easter or Passover or whatever you may or may not celebrate...~~

Best vibes
GG

 

[GreenGrocer]

Oaxacan Sativa -

Oaxacan Sativa -

Taken from Greenhouse Seed Co Site -


Panama Red



The history of Panama Red is simply amazing. It is one of the oldest landraces of the whole American continent, and some say it is extinct. In reality, it has just become very rare, and very difficult to obtain. Panama Red was a true legend in the 1960s and 1970s, when entire generations of hippies considered it the best weed money could buy, the top of the line. It was one of the most psychedelic experiences cannabis could offer, and its name appears to this day in songs and movies. But nobody seems to be growing it today, and no seed bank offers it in its selection. There are many reasons to this: the genetics can only be found in a very specific, remote island. And the plant is very sativa, with non-commercial traits unacceptable to most of today's growers.
Panama is located in the middle of Central America, in between Colombia and Costa Rica, and is a thin strip of land between the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans. The country has a tropical climate, with very mild temperatures all year round, mostly between 24 and 30 degrees. Humidity is high, with extreme peaks during the rainy season, from March to December. The rain is much heavier on the caribbean side than on the pacific side of the country, but in this part of central America there are no hurricanes. Only on the mountains on the west side of the country temperatures are lower, and can sometimes get close to freezing at night. Hundreds of islands, small and large, make both sides of the coast a tourist paradise. Nature is pristine, both above and under water, and development is still catching up with the abundance of amazing spots. Almost half of the country is still covered in lush tropical forest, and there are huge swamps.

The Panama channel, connecting the two oceans, was built in 1914 on a tiny piece of land sold to the USA, and only in 2000 the Panama government took back control over the channel. Today, it brings significant incomes to the country in the form of taxes and international prestige, and it has allowed Panama to become an international "tax-heaven", a place where banks have high secrecy and where shipowners from all over the world want to register commercial boats. Panama's commercial fleet, as a result, grew to be one of the largest in the world. The history of the country is pretty bloody, starting with Spanish domination (that lasted 300 years), then the annexion to Colombia in 1821, and finally the independence in 1903. But even after becoming a nation, Panama was always troubled by racial tension between whites and natives, as well as by heavy criminality linked to cocaine trade and dictatorships (the worse being the one of Manuel Noriega, culminated with the US invasion in 1988). Today Panama is more peaceful, but still faces huge social, economical and logistical challenges.

Tourists are increasing every year, and today they represent a source of development for several areas. The majority of the people live under the line of poverty, making mont's end with survival farming, and they have few animals. The majority of the wealth is in the hands of less than 3% of the population, mostly living in the capital city or abroad (USA, Caribbean, Colombia, Spain).

Until the 1970s Panama produced large quantities of high-grade cannabis, mostly to be exported to the United States and Europe. The Panama Red was grown mostly along the pacific coast, slightly less rainy and more fertile. Then the cocaine trade changed the balances of money and power, and the locals dedicated themselves to the more lucrative business option. Cannabis cultivation continued on small scale, for local consumption, but basically most of the forest areas that were previously used to grow fields were converted in landing strips or jungle labs.
The only area where the cannabis production continued basically unchanged was on a group of islands off the south coast, the Pearl islands (Islas de las Perlas). These islands have the perfect climate to grow sativas: mild temperatures, constant breeze, acceptable humidity, fertile soil, thick forest to hide and protect on the ground as well as from the air. Since a long, long time ago people grow on these islands, and seeds have been passed on from generation to generation, since hundreds of years ago. and they are still busy. This is the place where it is still possible, even if not easy, to find the true landrace.

The Panama Red grows tall, skinny, with long internodes and thick stems, with a woody fiber. They branch almost horizontally, parallel to the ground, and stretch quite a bit. The growers usually choose locations under tall trees, so the plants stretch even more to look for the sunshine. The proximity to the equator makes the variation in the length of the day almost unnoticeable. In summer days are 13 hours long, in winter 11. This means plants grow to sexual maturity, then start flowering. The stretch in vertical growth happens almost entirely during flowering, and does not want to stop. Growers bend the tallest plants down and tie them to the ground with ropes, or use stones to hold down the lowest branches against the ground. Sometimes the branches break, and roots form from the branch into the soil, propagating the plant horizontally.

The buds are long, thin, almost fluffy, but covered in long thin hairs that turn very red very soon. The leaves and stems also turn reddish and brownish towards the middle of the flowering, and maintain the red until harvest time. The flowering time is usually 3 months (crops grown November to March, the driest months, produce the best results. But growers plant also in January and in May if they want to increase production). The small patches of plants are hidden deep into the tropical forest, and very hard to access. Cannabis consumption is quite open and accepted, but cultivation carries heavy sentences. Tourists are now becoming the main market for the cannabis grown in Panama, but they also represent a danger to the survival of the original landrace, as they often bring seeds from other cultivars and exchange them with locals. It already happened on the mainland, and it is bound to happen on the islands as well.

Smoking the original Panama Red is a true visual experience before any other sense is stimulated. The cured buds are usually seedless, and have a dark green color that softly melts into dark red at every tip of the calyx. The hairs are bright red, giving a surreal glow to the long thin buds. Braking it reveals a deep scent of berries, followed by an intense woody/spicy background. The flavor after combustion is slightly more bitter than expected from the smell, but translate fairly well. The high doesn't hit. It creeps, it gently grabs your attention and then explodes in a cloud of introspective high, long lasting, very trippy. It is one of the most psychedelic sativa highs and one of the cleanest. After the blast, the aftermath is almost non-existing. The Panama Red is great smoke for creative moments, for inspiration, for intimacy and for thinking. It is truly legendary, and it will survive jealously kept by a selected group of breeders.



Oaxaca Sativa

Mexico is a hugely diverse federal country, comprising 31 states. The state of Oaxaca, located along the Pacific Ocean in the southern part of the nation, is quite different from the rest of Mexico. It is a colorful place, where 16 different ethnic groups of indigenous people live side by side with the Spanish-descent whites, making a total population of 3 and a half million. The indigenous civilizations flourished around the 12-13th Century, establishing agriculture, fishing, mining, trading. In the 15th century the Aztecs conquered the area, soon to be toppled by the Spanish. When the Spanish troops conquered the area and settled, the agriculture of the area had a boost, and cannabis continued to flourish. In 1821 Mexico became independent from Spain, and since then Oaxaca has been on of the poorest and most underdeveloped states of the country, with a poor road network and limited links to the capital city. The area has several mountain ranges, and a main central valley, with an average altitude on the sea level of 1500 meters. The population lacks education, basic infrastructures and proper sanitation. Nevertheless the quality of life is slowly improving over the last 10-20 years. The main resource is agriculture, with a large production of coffee beans. Tourism is increasing, but remains marginal in the generation of income. Cannabis represents the most effective survival crop for the poorest people in the region.

Cannabis is present on the Oaxaca mountains since a very long time. Nobody knows exactly when it arrived, and from where. Some speculate that the first seeds were brought by the Spanish fleet in the 15th and 16th centuries, while others predate the appearance of cannabis to the first migrations of men from Asia into the American continent, around 20000-15000 years ago. What is sure is that by the time the Spanish conquered the area imposing their civilization, cannabis was being used by the local indigenous tribes for medicinal as well as religious purposes, together with a large number of other psychedelics. The central valley of Oaxaca is one of the most fertile areas of Latin America, and cannabis has been thriving here for very long, and nowadays the Oaxaca Sativa is considered one of the most famous Latin American landraces. It is a tall, lanky sativa, with long branches and long flower clusters, non-overlapping leaflets and a generally thin shape. The plants are usually planted very close to each others, preventing the formation of a conspicuous branch system. When the space between plants allows it, branches grow long and tend to spread out in a very horizontal fashion.

The buds grow long, not extremely compact, and covered in long hairs, turning orange to red very soon in the ripening process. The scent is minty and fresh, woody, with a fruity background that reminds of sweet mango. There is a sourness to it, and it translates very true to its scent after combustion. Flowering time is long, at 11-13 weeks, but the subtropical latitude ensures almost all-year round flowering possibilities. The Oaxaca Sativa belongs to the group of sub-tropical sativas that flower at any photoperiod under 13-14 hours of light, making it a very flexible genetic for many areas of the planet. The Oaxaca Sativa grows at any altitude between sea level and 1800 meters, and most of the times it is planted is small patches under the forest canopy. The limited amount of direct sunlight the plants receive in this particular setup is also responsible for the tall development and the stretchy attitude usually attributed to the landrace.

The first time the Oaxaca Sativa became famous worldwide was in the 1970s, when many American and Canadian travelers brought back seeds to the west coast of the US and Canada and started breeding them to obtain faster flowering versions of the landrace. The Oaxaca Sativa became a true hippie legend, one of the most sought-after strains during the endless University rallies and anti-war demonstrations of the 1970 throughout America and Europe. Some of the most famous cannabis breeders of the 1960s and 1970s, including the Haze Brothers and Neville, used the Oaxaca Sativa for some of their creations. To this day, the genes of the Oaxaca Sativa live on in famous strains like Neville's Haze, Super Silver Haze, Mexican Haze. The Oaxaca Sativa was at the base of the creation of pure Haze, the most famous sativa hybrid ever, in turn at the origin of hundreds of famous crosses available today.

Over the last 10 years several cannabis tourists have imported seeds from other origin into Oaxaca, in the quest to increase local production and shorten the flowering time. These imported strains have somehow diluted a bit the gene-pool of the landrace, but it is a minor effect, visible in isolated parcels. Most of the cannabis growing under the thick forest, is still the original landrace.

In Oaxaca cannabis is a cash crop, and small scale production is side by side with larger operations under the control of organized crime syndicates, or cartels. Mexico is the most violent country on the planet, and drug trade is one of the engines of the economy, creating social despair and thousands of victims on the streets. Oaxaca is less violent than the northern parts of Mexico, near the US border, but the proximity to South America makes it an ideal stop-over for cocaine transports on the way to north America. It is not an easy situation, and it seems not likely to change anytime soon. Luckily, the plants don't bother and keep growing....

 

[GreenGrocer]

Paper on Cannabis Growing and Pruning in Oaxaca

Paper on Cannabis Growing and Pruning in Oaxaca

An interesting downloadable PDF regarding methods used to "Torture" Mexican Sativas to produce more resins

http://www.liveprayer.net/downloads/medical-health/herbs/marijuana/hallucinogenic-plants/Ritual%20use%20of%20hallucinogens.pdf

 

[Mustafunk]

Just a little note that I sprouted 7/8 Oaxacan seeds gifted to me by a friend and supposedly sent from one of my original sources for PRed back when I began working on it.

Nice man, do you have more info about those Oaxacans? I mean, are they an old strain like the Oaxaca'79 or more recent?

Vibes.

 

[window]

Panama red and Oaxaca, this is gonna be good.
Respect to you GG for your preservation of these old school landraces.

 

[Jon 54]

Great thread my own seeds are just starting off and just popped open last night. I[ll be watching them as close as you are. It's not boring just time consuming.
Jon 54

 

[charlie garcia]

Nice info GG and happy to see those old seeds looking well

Not much to say, worked long, quicker, fatter and thinner panameñas but I never smoked Panama Red females I believe.

From first batches 74/red hair remember were euphoric, delicate lemons and flowers, sweet aromas. Worked several generations of this trying to find most funny effects but this development was much more difficult due sex results and not such firm sex observed. Even best aromas werent so present

There must be pics in this forum somewhere of earlier Panama hybrid steps!.

About centroamerica and more Colombia let me select this text from "Cannabis and cultural groups in a Colombian municipio" William L Partridge (1973)

....The use of cannabis as intoxicants is still another question. Linguistic evidence indicates West Africa slaves brought cannabis to Brazil as the earliest route of diffusion (Patiño 1969; Aranujo 1959). The adoption of cannabis smoking by indigenous people of Brazil seems to confirm the antiquity of diffusion in that part of South America (Wagley and Galvao 1949), but the spread of the custom to Spanish America is less well known. It should be noted that cannabis competed with available indigenous intoxicants, narcotics and hallucinogens. Of these, only tobacco was adopted by spanish colonists.....

....It seems certain tha smoking cannabis is a relatively new innovation in the region with which we are concerned. Ardila (1965) and Patiño (1969) suggest the Magdalena River Valley as the route of penetration into Colombia, from the ports of Santa Marta, Barranquilla and Cartagena, originating in the Antilles and Panama. Specifically, Ardila (1965) suggest that the spread of the use of cannabis as an intoxicant dates from the work on the Panama Canal and the “intense human interchange” which resulted among Circum-Caribbean countries. This interpretation is given weight by the observation that both Costa Rica and Colombian laws concerning marihuana date from 1927 and 1928 repectively (Patiño 1969; Ardila 1965; Torres 1965) when the movement of braceros and marineros was a fact. Nevertheless, it was not until around 1945 that the Colombian press began reporting clandestine marihuana plantations of the atlantic coast and in the Cauca valley (Patiño 1969)

best tio
kaiki

 

[charlie garcia]

Its hard to know all influences in Colombia, older and newer, north sta Marta, central or south.

SAENZ ROVNER, Eduardo. LA "PREHISTORIA" DE LA MARIHUANA EN COLOMBIA: CONSUMO Y CULTIVOS ENTRE LOS AÑOS 30 Y 60. Cuad. Econ. [online]. 2007, vol.26, n.47 [cited 2010-01-02], pp. 205-222 .
Available from: <http://www.scielo.org.co/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0121-47722007000200008&lng=en&nrm=iso>. ISSN 0121-4772.
http://socialsciences.scielo.org/sc...xt&pid=S0121-47722008000100001&lng=en&nrm=iso

reality was different to official rhetoric; numerous arrests for possession, sale and even growing were repeated, especially in Barranquilla and its surrounding area. Marihuana was easily acquired in the city's brothels and marginal barrios. "Weed" was grown in the Atlántic Departamentand the neighbouring Magdalena department. Searching available archives led to documenting around 60 cases of possession, selling and growing marihuana in Barranquilla and its surrounding areas between 1940 and 1944. It is not surprising that a north-American report in 1945 stated that marihuana production and consumption had considerably increased in Barranquilla. This report also stated that the Mexican vessel "Hidalgo" had made three trips to Barranquilla in just six months with "enormous amounts" of marihuana and seeds to be planted.

A friend from sierra of Sinaloa told me sometimes he has heard local breeders talking about crosses done with the "colombian indica" (?)

 

[GreenGrocer]

Hola Tio

I think I found thelink to the first article and it makes interesting reading for sure:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gCRNRGOhNA4C&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=Mexican+Indian+Tribes+and+Cannabis&source=bl&ots=VDnj1_TxV3&sig=0bPLrFYamPvq8D4FV4BUsJKx_p0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BntWU_P6Dc6RyATQ4YHwBw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Mexican%20Indian%20Tribes%20and%20Cannabis&f=false

Thanks for that! Cuidate
GG

 

[GreenGrocer]

Another interesting story and video - Check this out.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2010/05/17/Marijuana-Plantations-Feeding-Europes-Habit

Best Vibes!
GG

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

now that's a line I haven't head of in years........Chilean.......we were getting a Chilean Indica hybrid early 80's southern Humboldt.........a true F1 vigor line that produced huge flowers/plants.............commercial tenders dream.....

PR.......didn't get much of in the day, but I remember as a spicy earthy scent/flavor and very strong smack ya in the face high......smaller tight sativa flowers with a different shaded reddish pistils when dryed.....very distinct...........

for myself it's one thing to smoke the ganja from it's country of orgin and enjoy it in all it's glory..........but unfortunately to retain the qualities tending outside of it's orgin is a task rarely duplicated.............not that I haven't had some success, but being just shy of 37o latitude doesn't help with many sativa based cultivars......

all the best in your quest GG................

ganj on......

 

[charlie garcia]

hola MN, I cant remember exactly when but Chile had some industrial hemp development for some time, colombian farmers went to work there as well and some brought their seeds. Maybe some chilean friends can point us on this. Paraguaya and colombian Punto Rojo were most best known for sometime in southamerica for local markets
Nevertheless R Clarke, Sam and friends should know much better

Detail of a seeded Oaxaca x Punto Rojo.
best
kaiki

 

[GreenGrocer]

Hiya MN
Thanks for dropping by and your point about growing Landrace strains far from origin is also something I feel. Its difficult to reproduce the conditions. No offense to indoor growers but sativas grown indoors under lights although they look fantastic, I do not believe will present the same structure, taste, smell etc of bud grown OD in country of origin.

((Please feel free to let me know if anyone disagrees and why.))

My main aim is to grow and preserve the gene pool with open pollenation not selection for any particular trait and these reports are as much for my records as for others so I can access and update and learn from others points of views.

I am so glad some people are taking an interest. I hope some of our other friends who have grown these strains will stop by and add their own experiences.

Best Vibes
GG