Polio Vaccine?

[fungzyme]

Right so why don't we give people in the US a TB vaccine?

A really effective one isn't currently available, but they're working on an improved vaccine. Vaccinating with the current one makes the tuberculin skin test not reliable, so in less high-risk areas (like the US)
it's not worth the trade-off until they develop a 99+% (or whatever%) effective vaccine.

EDIT: from Wikipedia

Vaccines
The only currently available vaccine as of 2011 is bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) which, while it is effective against disseminated disease in childhood, confers inconsistent protection against contracting pulmonary TB.[67] Nevertheless, it is the most widely used vaccine worldwide, with more than 90% of all children being vaccinated.[7] However, the immunity it induces decreases after about ten years.[7] As tuberculosis is uncommon in most of Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States, BCG is only administered to people at high risk.[68][69][70] Part of the reasoning arguing against the use of the vaccine is that it makes the tuberculin skin test falsely positive, and therefore, of no use in screening.[70] A number of new vaccines are currently in development.[7]

 

[HUGE]

A really effective one isn't available for the flu eitjer but they still give it away for free at any grocery store.

A really effective one isn't currently available, but they're working on an improved vaccine. Vaccinating with the current one makes the tuberculin skin test not reliable, so in less high-risk areas (like the US)
it's not worth the trade-off until they develop a 99+% (or whatever%) effective vaccine.

EDIT: from Wikipedia

Vaccines
The only currently available vaccine as of 2011 is bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) which, while it is effective against disseminated disease in childhood, confers inconsistent protection against contracting pulmonary TB.[67] Nevertheless, it is the most widely used vaccine worldwide, with more than 90% of all children being vaccinated.[7] However, the immunity it induces decreases after about ten years.[7] As tuberculosis is uncommon in most of Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States, BCG is only administered to people at high risk.[68][69][70] Part of the reasoning arguing against the use of the vaccine is that it makes the tuberculin skin test falsely positive, and therefore, of no use in screening.[70] A number of new vaccines are currently in development.[7]

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Vaccinating with the current one makes the tuberculin skin test not reliable, so in less high-risk areas (like the US)
it's not worth the trade-off until they develop a 99+% (or whatever%) effective vaccine.

A really effective one isn't available for the flu eitjer but they still give it away for free at any grocery store.

If you're going to get a false positive with the TB skin test then you'd need a chest X-ray for diagnosis. This is a lot more trouble and has an increased risk of cancer. Giving everyone in the U.S. the current vaccine would result in anybody needing a diagnosis having to undergo the chest X-ray.

 

[Feyd]

My uncle was killed by a brown bear while surveying in Alaska


I think the government put the bears there.

Fuckin' thanks Obama. Where is my bear vaccine?

 

[HUGE]

Ok so here is the deal 10, 000 cases of TB in usa last year. Cdc says no one should get the vaccine because disease is too rare. 27, 000 casses of pertussis and everyon who doesn't give their 2month old the vaccine is considered a conspiracy loon who is endangering children and should be arrested. Does this really make sense to you people.
Pertussis has a 99.5% survival rate while TB has an 84% survival rate.

135 deaths per year pertussis
500 TB deaths per year
250 kids seized out that year from their dtap shot and 4 died.

And you fucktards are telling me that it is criminal not to give dtap shot while its not recommended to get TB shot. Are you kidding me. The sleeper must awaken.

 

[foomar]

Consider that for every death many more children are left with permanent damage , especially so with meningitis and polio , and this needs to be factored in.

 

[HUGE]

Consider that for every death many more children are left with permanent damage , especially so with meningitis and polio , and this needs to be factored in.

If ibwas talking about Hib or polio then yes it does. I'm talking pertussis. And the reason I choose pertussis is because out of all the vaccines that is the one that doctors point to as tue must have shot because whoopibg cough is soo frequent and so awfull. Polio doesn't exist in the states. My mom survived polio I know all about it. Yes meningitis is bad. I havnt ran the numbers on the Hib vax which is the one that covers meningitis. For some reason I bet they are the same or less tuan pertussis.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Ok so here is the deal 10, 000 cases of TB in usa last year. Cdc says no one should get the vaccine because disease is too rare.

I suspect that a large portion if not the majority of those tuberculosis cases were immigrants who contracted the disease outside the country.

 

[HUGE]

I suspect that a large portion if not the majority of those tuberculosis cases were immigrants who contracted the disease outside the country.

I'm pretty sure your wrong about the"large portion" part of your statement but for shits and giggles lets run with that idea. Well maybe we ought to change the TSA into the TBA and have them search all the immagrants for TB since it kills way more people than terrorists.

And "a large portion" of measels outbreaks are due to immigrants but you don't see that as a reason to not vax americans for it.

 

[HUGE]

Consider that for every death many more children are left with permanent damage , especially so with meningitis and polio , and this needs to be factored in.

Also you may want to look into meningitis. The most deadly and fast moving form is bacterial meningitis which we don't vax against. We vax against Hib viral version which according to the cdc is almost extinct. So even if you take all your shots you child is still at risk of contracting meningitis.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

And "a large portion" of measels outbreaks are due to immigrants but you don't see that as a reason to not vax americans for it.

There's no real downside to immunizing for measles. Negative reactions to the measles vaccine are very rare.

The reason for not vaccinating for tuberculosis is because it causes life long false positive results in the TB skin test. But that has already been mentioned.

You're just arguing for arguments sake now.

 

[unspoken]

Gosh guys, why do we have vaccinations for diseases that are pretty much extinct?

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

I nearly died from TB, 9 out of 10 have it latent in my country.. It is caused by a bacterium so I'm still stumped as to how we can vaccinate against it..ie. we can't. Its a confidence trick at best. One word..Mercury.. Putting it in the babies and rivers we are, oh look, what a smart bunch we are!

 

[HUGE]

There's no real downside to immunizing for measles. Negative reactions to the measles vaccine are very rare.

The reason for not vaccinating for tuberculosis is because it causes life long false positive results in the TB skin test. But that has already been mentioned.

You're just arguing for arguments sake now.

I'm arguing for tour children's sake and any one who reads this. I'm sick of fucking retards like you running around pretending vaccines are perfectly safe and super important. The are realatively safe and some are moderately important to have at best. But so a pistol, and a pitbull. I give you rrsl data from the cdc and ill I get back from you pro vax nimwits is red harings and insults. You have a position built onlies and false assumptions and you don't seem to enjoy having your false reality challenged with pesky facys and reality.
No real downside huh. Here is what the cdc says about the downside of an mmr shot.

A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.Mild ProblemsFever (up to 1 person out of 6)Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.Moderate ProblemsSeizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)Severe Problems (Very Rare)Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, includingeafnessLong-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousnessPermanent brain damageThese are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine.This information was taken directly from the*MMR VIS*

 

[headband 707]

go get your vaccines people!!!

LOL I'm not so sure about this anymore .. I trust our Gov a much as I can throw them so whatever they say now is subject to debate imvho


The fact that vaccines are being handled by Bill Gates the man that says there are far too many ppl in this world for all of us to survive and then the next fact that most if not all vaccines /vit,presc are also GMO SHIT . I would not line up for anything they said now !! Stay frosty headband 707

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

So I'm a retard and a nimwit and all you get from me is insults ... LOL

I contracted measles in my early twenties. It led to lung complications and I broke two ribs from the coughing.

From Wikipedia;

Complications with measles are relatively common, ranging from mild and less serious complications such as diarrhea to more serious ones such as pneumonia,[6] otitis media,[7] acute encephalitis (and very rarely SSPE – subacute sclerosing panencephalitis),[8] and corneal ulceration (leading to corneal scarring).[9] Complications are usually more severe in adults who catch the virus.[10] The death rate in the 1920s was around 30% for measles pneumonia.[11]

Between the years 1987 and 2000, the case fatality rate across the United States was 3 measles-attributable deaths per 1000 cases, or 0.3%.[12] In underdeveloped nations with high rates of malnutrition and poor healthcare, fatality rates have been as high as 28%.[12] In immunocompromised patients (e.g. people with AIDS) the fatality rate is approximately 30%.[13]

Indigenous measles was declared to have been eliminated in North, Central, and South America; the last endemic case in the region was reported on November 12, 2002, with only northern Argentina and rural Canada, particularly in Ontario, Quebec, and Alberta, having minor endemic status.[103] Outbreaks are still occurring, however, following importations of measles viruses from other world regions. In June 2006, an outbreak in Boston resulted after a resident became infected in India.[104]

Between January 1 and April 25, 2008, a total of 64 confirmed measles cases were preliminarily reported in the United States to the CDC,[105][106] the most reported by this date for any year since 2001. Of the 64 cases, 54 were associated with importation of measles from other countries into the United States, and 63 of the 64 patients were unvaccinated or had unknown or undocumented vaccination status.[107] By July 9, 2008, a total of 127 cases were reported in 15 states (including 22 in Arizona),[108] making it the largest U.S. outbreak since 1997 (when 138 cases were reported).[109] Most of the cases were acquired outside of the United States and afflicted individuals who had not been vaccinated. By July 30, 2008, the number of cases had grown to 131. Of these, about half involved children whose parents rejected vaccination. The 131 cases occurred in seven different outbreaks. There were no deaths, and 15 hospitalizations. Eleven of the cases had received at least one dose of measles vaccine. Children who were unvaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown accounted for 122 cases. Some of these were under the age when vaccination is recommended, but in 63 cases, the vaccinations had been refused for religious or philosophical reasons.

On May 24, 2011, the CDC reported that the United States has had 118 measles cases so far that year. The 118 cases were reported by 23 states and New York City between Jan 1 and May 20. Of the 118 cases, 105 (89%) were associated with cases abroad and 105 (89%) of the 118 patients had not been vaccinated.[110] ...

In August 2013, an outbreak occurred among the children in a vaccine-skeptical megachurch north of Dallas.[112]

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[HUGE]

So what is your point? You are proving my point.
222 cases of measels per year
Most due to immagrants
Vaccine considered musy havr
About 1300 kids will have seisures caused by high fever and brain swelling from the vaccine per year according to the cdc
10, 000 cases of TB with 500 deaths amd no vaccine recomended.

Do you see how tue numbers just don't add up?
I'm done with trying to unprogram your feeble little mind.

 

[foomar]

far too many ppl in this world for all of us to survive

The most efficient way of reduceing a population would be to withdraw or supress vaccination.

Vaccination is bound to be handled by government and global med companies , who the hell else could do it.

These space lizards must be a bit thick , as science and medicine have vastly inceased population and lifespan.


A desease like measles is often accompanied by other infections , combined with flu or other childhood infections it can cause more deaths and more longterm health problems.

Blameing it on immigrants is simplistic , the problem here is the thousands who travel to and from Pakistan and the middle east where polio and TB are endemic.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Only 222 cases of measels per year because vaccination has been so successful in preventing the disease

Most due to immagrants because vaccination in the US has been so successful in preventing the disease

Vaccine considered musy havr because we don't want to go back to the days of mass epidemics

About 1300 kids will have seisures caused by high fever and brain swelling from the vaccine per year according to the cdc This is definitely a serious matter, nobody disagrees with that. Thank you for obtaining these numbers.

10, 000 cases of TB with 500 deaths amd no vaccine recomended. because using the present vaccine indiscriminately makes diagnosis of latent TB extremely difficult which could lead to further outbreaks

Do you see how tue numbers just don't add up? Not really considering the possibility of our population losing herd immunity leading to the return of mass epidemics.

I'm done with trying to unprogram your feeble little mind. Just pitiful really

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It's really a shame that the world was on the verge of eliminating a number of diseases which have haunted humankind for countless generations, but because of the anti vaccine hysteria and conspiracy mongering this effort has been crippled so that we can now return to the epidemics of childhood diseases that decimated millions centuries ago.

 

[bobman]

If you want to learn about these things I suggest, firstly, to watch penn and tellers show bullshit. They did a whole episode on the vaccine subject and its pretty eye opening. Cliffs-whole thing started by a lawyer looking for a class action lawsuit. If I remember correctly lawyer and several doctors lost their licence and may have gone to jail.

Secondly go talk to an infectious disease doc for five minutes. it will ipen ur eyes these guys are doing gids work. Here is something he just told me that amazed me. He just had a patient with full blown aids and a t-cell in the single digits. After getting him on the meds he now has a tcell count near 500 and will survive. I did not know this but aids should be off the planet. Fact-people on thier meds will not pass the disease. Fact a pregnant mother with aids will not tranmit the disease to thier child. Fact is aids can be off the face of the planet if the meds are provided and taken. Problem nobody wants to pay for it including drug como anies governments and public andbhow do we police everybody to make sure they r taking thier meds