Polio Vaccine?

[Dirt Life]

^ My aunt has HIV, her daughter does not. But, she has never picked up her own meds, she's too embarrassed... I pick them up for her a lot. There is still a social stigma with HIV/aids to this day, and its rediculous.

 

[bobman]

Absolutly and there is no reason for that. It amazes me that someone is willing to die because of it. Take ur meds and u will live a normal life and not die from the disease. If u can afford it.

 

[HUGE]

Are you retarded? Firsy that quote about populationisn't from me. Dont know why you keep throwing the red harings and dodging the facts.

Then you start some nonsense about lizard aliens again as a smokescreen to your complete lack of knowledge.

You are the one blaming TB on imagrants as a reason not to vax but now its trivial when I point out the similar situation with measels.

Its quite aparent you have no idea what your doing and are grasping at straws to defend you retarded position.

The most efficient way of reduceing a population would be to withdraw or supress vaccination.

Vaccination is bound to be handled by government and global med companies , who the hell else could do it.

These space lizards must be a bit thick , as science and medicine have vastly inceased population and lifespan.


A desease like measles is often accompanied by other infections , combined with flu or other childhood infections it can cause more deaths and more longterm health problems.

Blameing it on immigrants is simplistic , the problem here is the thousands who travel to and from Pakistan and the middle east where polio and TB are endemic.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I was the one who brought up TB in immigrants. I might have better used "visitors".

Blameing it on immigrants is simplistic , the problem here is the thousands who travel to and from Pakistan and the middle east where polio and TB are endemic.

Thank you for this. With the commonness of air travel we really do have to look at contagious disease as a world problem. Distance, borders, and oceans don't really protect a healthy population anymore.

 

[bobman]

A few other things my friend told me, love talking with the guy and he loves talking about it. One is that antibacterial soap is not going to cause super strains of diseases. I was not aware that all they are adding is alcohol to kill things. Also staph is on our bodies at all times. Its how our bodies handle it that make the difference. Hopefully I am passing that knowledge ccorrectly I know thats what I got out of it. We were discussing the mersa outbreak and thats the way he desribed staph which mersa is a version of.

 

[trichrider]

it's amazing noone pointing out the cancer being caused by virus', the title, remember?

cancer caused by virus, cold caused by virus, flu caused by virus...where're the cold vaccines? the cancer vaccines? can they even vaccinate against cancer?

SEER Cancer Statistics Review (CSR) 1975-2010
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[HUGE]

Maybe its because someone scrubbed the whole cancer line from the title of the thread. Now its just a poll on wether or not to get a polio shot.

 

[trichrider]

oh... guess i'll retire my opinions if someone's gonna change them every other day.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/AACR-FCPR/42520


Variation in HPV Strains May Thwart Vaccine in Blacks


Published: Oct 28, 2013

By Charles Bankhead,

Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor, Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and Dorothy Caputo, MA, BSN, RN, Nurse Planner

Note that this study was published as an abstract and presented at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary until published in a peer-reviewed journal.
African-American and non-Hispanic white women with an abnormal Pap test were found to be infected with different cervical cancer-causing human papillomavirus subtypes.
The currently available HPV vaccines do not protect against infection with the subtypes most frequently detected in in African-American women.


Human papillomavirus infection (HPV) in African-American women often involves viral strains not included in the available vaccines, suggesting a potential for reduced vaccine effectiveness, investigators reported.

Four viral strains not covered by vaccines on the market had the strongest association with HPV infection in women with cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN), a cervical cancer precursor. Moreover, the strains did not overlap with any of the strains associated with CIN among Caucasian women, including HPV 16 and 18, the strains most often associated with cervical cancer in white women.

 

[foomar]

Distance, borders, and oceans don't really protect a healthy population anymore.

That's a primary reason to continue vaccination , its close to eradication now and once gone the vaccine can be safely abandoned , just like with smallpox.

The 3 - 20 day incubation time with these deseases is a threat with mass air travel , and you cant apply quaranteen.

Last year there were 647 cases in 17 countries.

Nearly a third of those were in Pakistan.

Other countries with cases, such as Chad and DR Congo, have persistent outbreaks, but as a result of the virus being imported from one of the endemic countries.

Until polio is eradicated there will be the danger that the virus will be reintroduced to India, across the border from Pakistan.

Polio virus from Pakistan re-infected China in 2011, which had been polio free for more than a decade.

The polio virus cannot survive outside the human body for long periods and so if the virus is unable to find someone to infect it will die out.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

it's amazing noone pointing out the cancer being caused by virus', the title, remember?

True that. But there's a public cloud of confusion surrounding vaccines now. This thread went down the rabbit hole by post #3. Actually the poll at the top of the thread is about current vaccine hysteria, instead of the; old live polio vaccine - monkey virus - cancer connection, which was the focus of the first four paragraphs of the first post. So this thread lost its stated focus before it even began.

it's amazing noone pointing out the cancer being caused by virus', the title, remember?

cancer caused by virus, cold caused by virus, flu caused by virus...where're the cold vaccines? the cancer vaccines? can they even vaccinate against cancer?

In fact, this post about the loss of focus, lost its focus by the second sentence.



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[Crusader Rabbit]

This portion of an article in Rational Wiki explains the argument for vaccination quite well;

Known side effects

To put it simply: complications are more likely to arise from illness than from vaccination.

The current impact of vaccines on health is very simply stated here. Children who get measles have a 1 in 20 chance of developing a serious complication; however, serious complications from the vaccine number 1 or 2 per million, according to the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University.[3]

Before the introduction of measles vaccination, there were about half a million cases per year in the United States, while only 89 cases were diagnosed in 1998.[3] Historically, the mortality rate for measles in the U.S. was about 1 to 3 deaths per every 1000 cases, with young children suffering the highest mortality rates.[4] Most deaths occur as a result of pneumonia or encephalitis.[5]

After the introduction of polio vaccination, cases in the United States decreased from almost 30,000 in 1955 — many of which lead to paralysis or death — to 910 cases by 1962. New cases of polio in the U.S. are now a thing of the past.[3] Of the two types of polio vaccine, the oral vaccine, while effective, is the less safe of the two. As there are no more naturally acquired cases in the U.S., the oral vaccine had become the only cause of polio (8-9 cases). Since the vaccine risk, however small, eventually exceeded the disease risk, the oral vaccine was abandoned in favor of the killed vaccine. In regions where polio is still a major problem, the oral vaccine is still a better choice, as it can enter the water supply and vaccinate others passively. In regions with high HIV rates, this may be less true, as live vaccines are usually avoided in patients with compromised immune systems.

In Britain, there was concern in the early 70s about the pertussis vaccine, where it was blamed for several cases of encephalitis. Despite the connection never being proven outright, vaccination rates still dropped from 77% to 39%. Following this drop in immunization, the UK was hit by two large whooping cough epidemics (one in 1978, and another in 1982), both of which resulted in many deaths.[3][6] Unfortunately, these sorts of consequences from vaccine denial isn't confined to history; whooping cough also hit the American northwest, generating one of the worst outbreaks in 70 years, with a 1300% increase in cases in 2012 entirely blamed on recent hysteria over vaccines.[7]

The rates of complication from vaccines are so low that the benefit of vaccines for each individual child is higher than the risk of a poor outcome, so it is not true that the few children with adverse events are being sacrificed for the health of others. For example, the CDC compiles rates of risk from disease vs. risk from vaccination.[8] For the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine, these are the data:

Measles Complication Rates:

Per case of measles.

Pneumonia: 6 in 100
Encephalitis: 1 in 1,000
Death: 2 in 1,000

Rubella Complication Rates:

Per case of rubella.

Congenital Rubella Syndrome: 1 in 4 (if woman becomes infected early in pregnancy)

MMR Complication Rates:

Per injection given.

Encephalitis or severe allergic reaction: 1 in 1,000,000

Further to these data as reported by the CDC, mumps infection can also have serious sequelae, including the following:[9]

Mumps Complication Rates:

Per case of mumps.

Testicular atrophy: 1 in 7 in men
Miscarriage: 1 in 4 in the first trimester
Meningitis: 1 in 10

[edit] Negative effects of currently used vaccines

Most commonly used vaccines have a risk of severe complications; however, the risk is very low. With respect to milder complications, it's often difficult to tell if the vaccine actually was the cause as the nocebo effect can be very strong with injections. Certain less-commonly used vaccines are known to have greater dangers. For instance, the smallpox vaccine, which is not in wide use, has a well-quantified complication rate. Given the fact that the risk of disease exposure is almost zero, because of the success of vaccination programs, it is no longer worth the risk to vaccinate the population at large.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vaccine_denialism

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Here is the story of the monkey virus, SV40, Symian Virus #40, and how it was a contaminant in the early live polio vaccine in the 50's and early 60's;

Poliomylitis, or polio for short, is a disease that has been around since ancient times, and despite the medical advances we have made in the United States in terms of regular and natural health, there is still no cure for this dreaded, disabling disease.

An infectious viral affliction that attacks nerve cells and, at times, the body's central nervous system, polio causes a phenomenon known as muscle wasting (a decrease in the mass of muscle), and can also cause paralysis and death.

"Since 1900 there had been cycles of epidemics, each seeming to get stronger and more disastrous. The disease, whose early symptoms are like the flu, struck mostly children, although adults, including Franklin Roosevelt, caught it too," said a report in the journal A Science Odyssey.

In 1952 that all changed, when Dr. Jonas Salk, a medical student and virus researcher, developed a vaccine against polio that, two years later, was accepted for testing nationwide. The principle behind the vaccine was simple and familiar: Like the vaccine that had been developed to fight smallpox, the polio vaccine introduced a small amount of the virus into the body, which then developed antibodies and an ability to fight off more powerful strains of the disease.

Admittedly, Salk's vaccine logged early success; some 60-70 percent of those vaccinated did not develop the disease. But it also saw some early problems. About 200 people who had been vaccinated got the disease, and 11 of them died, forcing a halt to all testing. Once it was determined that a faulty, poorly manufactured batch of the vaccine was the cause of those cases, stricter production standards were implemented and full-scale vaccinations nationwide resumed once more. Four million vaccines were given by 1955; by 1959, 90 countries were using it.

That said, those early cases were far from the last time the vaccine killed. In fact, throughout its history of use, Salk's polio vaccine left a path of death its wake.

A deadly discovery
Production and nationwide distribution of the polio vaccine was in full force by the end of the 1950s, but between 1959 and 1960 Dr. Bernice Eddy, a researcher with the National Institute of Health (NIH), made a startling discovery.

While examining the minced kidney cells of rhesus monkeys - from which the the polio vaccines were derived - she discovered "that the cells would die without any apparent cause," according to a report by Michael E. Horwin, M.A., J.D., published in the Nov. 3, 2003, issue of the Albany Law Journal of Science & Technology.

Horwin writes:

Dr. Eddy discovered that the cells would die without any apparent cause. She then took suspensions of the cellular material from these kidney cell cultures and injected them into hamsters. Cancers grew in the hamsters. Shortly thereafter, scientists at the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. discovered what would later be determined to be the same virus identified by Eddy. This virus was named Simian Virus 40 or SV40 because it was the 40th simian virus found in monkey kidney cells.

A few months later, in 1960, Dr. Benjamin Sweet and Dr. Maurice Hillman, both Merck scientists, published their findings. They wrote that such viruses were common in that particular breed of money, particularly in their kidneys:

The discovery of this new virus, the vacuolating agent, represents the detection for the first time of a hitherto "non-detectable" simian virus of monkey renal cultures and raises the important question of the existence of other such viruses . . . . As shown in this report, all 3 types of Sabin's live poliovirus vaccine, now fed to millions of persons of all ages, were contaminated with vacuolating virus...

The term "vacuolating virus" is another name for SV40, Horwin said, adding that later, in 1962, Dr. Eddy published more findings regarding the link between cancer and SV40:

The (SV40) virus was injected at once into 13 newborn hamsters and 10 newborn mice. Subcutaneous neoplasms indistinguishable from those induced by the rhesus monkey kidney extracts developed in 11 of the 13 hamsters between 156 and 380 days...

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032854_SV40_polio_vaccines.html#ixzz2jzxrvXbY

This news was made public and there were public denials that the vaccine was dangerous. There are questions of whether the monkey virus, SV40 was already in the human population before the vaccine was ever developed. Whether use of the contaminated vaccine led to a cancer epidemic in those inoculated is debatable. And then there's the CIA - L.H. Oswald - Castro assassination plot tangent. Interesting story. With many different twists and turns. Absolutely fascinating.

 

[HUGE]

This portion of an article in Rational Wiki explains the argument for vaccination quite well;

Read the first sentence of your post. That is where the magic happens.

"To put it simply: complications are more likely to arise from illness than from vaccination."

True but it leaves out the fact that complications from the vaccine are more likely than actually gettng the disease.

So he is saying given a choice between a shot of vaccine or a shot of disease. The vaccine shot has less complications which is true.

What he is not saying is that getting the shot has less complications tjan not getting tje shot. Its the same line at the top of the cdc vaccin risk page. Its called word play or magic if you will.

Then notice when he starts listing the very rare 1 in a million side effects while leaving out the 1 in 10, 000 sideffects like seizure due to high fever and brain swelling, pneumonia, intasiuccion, non stop crying for 3 or more hours, going limp, staring, fusinesss gionbarre or whatever the fuck its called.

These are propaganda pieces to make you feel good. Actually go read what it saysand more Iimportantly what it doesn't say.

 

[bobman]

Man u cant be seriously debating the fact the vaccinations are better for world. Without a doubt, hands down, 1000 percent that is ignorant. End of story.

 

[HUGE]

Man u cant be seriously debating the fact the vaccinations are better for world. Without a doubt, hands down, 1000 percent that is ignorant. End of story.

Not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying due to the huge success of vaccines it is now more likely to experienve a side effect from the shot than actually get tje disease itself. I'm not saying noone should get a vaccine. I'm saying you should not follow tue CDC reccomended schedule as it is just fucking nuts. I'm saying you dhould weigh the risk vs reward for your kid. Vaccines ss a whole are ver helpfull to society if your goal is to erradicaye a disease.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Man u cant be seriously debating the fact the vaccinations are better for world. Without a doubt, hands down, 1000 percent that is ignorant. End of story.

No, he's saying that because use of the measles vaccine has come so close to eradicating measles in the Americas, ... that at this point in time in the United States the risks to a single individual of not taking the vaccine outweigh the benefits of taking it, ... since the risk of contracting the illness has been reduced to almost non-existence because of the widespread use of the vaccine among everybody else.

Of course if enough people go this route then we'll have the big epidemics again and then the numbers will change and those individuals who were never vaccinated will most likely suffer the complications of infection.

The failure of Randian public health management theory

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By July 30, 2008, the number of cases had grown to 131. Of these, about half involved children whose parents rejected vaccination. The 131 cases occurred in seven different outbreaks. There were no deaths, and 15 hospitalizations. Eleven of the cases had received at least one dose of measles vaccine.Children who were unvaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown accounted for 122 cases. Some of these were under the age when vaccination is recommended, but in 63 cases, the vaccinations had been refused for religious or philosophical reasons.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

On May 24, 2011, the CDC reported that the United States has had 118 measles cases so far that year. The 118 cases were reported by 23 states and New York City between Jan 1 and May 20. Of the 118 cases, 105 (89%) were associated with cases abroad and 105 (89%) of the 118 patients had not been vaccinated.[110] ...

In August 2013, an outbreak occurred among the children in a vaccine-skeptical megachurch north of Dallas.[112] [/FONT]

Wikipedia

 

[pinkus]

I think some of the people in the thread have no idea what the world looked like before the advent of vaccines and antibiotics. Many of our antibiotics are becoming useless due to both overuse and the persistence of anti-microbials in the environment... so that pandemic is becoming more not less likely.


happy holidays

 

[bobman]

Fair enough. I had children right around the time this all went nuts so I was concerned and am still concerned. My children got all there shots I dont believe the schedule was to crazy. But I am not educated on that part of the debate. I just have a lot of friends who r docs and studied a little bit on the situation and the science, the most important part backs up vaccines. Watch the penn and teller bullshit episode infact that whole serues is very good. Just shocking that 80 percent of the respondants to this poll feel nit taking vaccines is a better option. That is why science is so important to these debates because people not willing to spend the time looking at both sides just go off and spread bad information and get bad stubborn because thwy lack the intelligence to delve deeper.

 

[bobman]

Thank you guys sorry if I came off as rude. I understand now. Yes rabbit it is no time to become complacent. My niece and sister became one these anti vaccine nuts. My sister is very smart but goes off half cocked about things like this. In fact my niece did not get the vaccines, not sure u f she every did. I must ask her next time I see her. Our kids r the same age. My sister once got me a rock and roll album for my birthday then the next week became a die hard christian and made me burn the same album. I was like what the fuck.

 

[HUGE]

Finally seems like this thread has come to its rational logical end. Its been fun. I'm glad we all see eye to eye on this now.