~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

I know folks want to make Haze into a NY thing, but do check out Sam's Original haze thread if you have the chance--the lineage of Neville's haze selections are delineated there (California, from Sam).

Just the Uptown Haze. I know there are no known and documented indigenous strains found in NYC. LoL. The origins of haze are pretty well known. I would love to know if there exists some landrace phenotypes of haze that display this odor and characteristics.

Imagine if the original cut is straight out of a Latin country?

Smuggled here somehow and kept in certain circles?

A hybrid?

I do not believe there is anyone on these boards or "in the community" that have "the cut". And by "the cut" I mean the one they run commercially. The oldschool orginal.

Before all these haze hybrids came around the block that have the Piff smell. Sort of. But not that "block work" I remember from the mid to late 90's. That cut. "The cut".

However, for now, I am happy with these two phenos.

And only time will tell if others who know nothing of the Uptown Haze (being from way out of the area, etc.) will think that it is worthy of the acclaim.

Time will tell now...

 

[barletta]

Imagine if the original cut is straight out of a Latin country

I'm starting to come to that conclusion...

 

[love?]

Hi Art, this strain sounds really cool. Are you still gonna do those S1's?

 

[bigherb]

I would love to know if there exists some landrace phenotypes of haze that display this odor and characteristics.


interestin but we hav discussed this n cg n oaxacan gold r 2 PERFECT EXAMPLES

I believe haze incense aromas are more related to the american sativas than her south asian parentage. You can find incense aromas in other sativas like nepaleses, a few american sativas, asian sativa x africa hybrids etc

tend to feel the same that these south american strains contributing too this aroma .i think the incense com from early colombian/mexican haze hybrids which i believe to be som of those gems that nyc holds from the 70's.

nyc haze has that frankincense or church incense and wood incense sandal, cedar ,catpiss ,peppery, spicey, im most familiar wit n associate these flavors wit our haze


I have found lovely incense aromas inside chinese yunnan population, indeed china mother 6 has a very strong incense aroma, like a fine haze hybrid could be.

quoted from a convo wit dubi

 

[xOOx]

i'm sure your on the right track with the colombian and mexican thinking..its always the latinos who seem to have it. i'm sure the spicey/pissy tones is related to a skunky odor somehow/somewhere along the line.. that cat litter urine -- or sweet amonia cleaner kinda smell, is somewhere in the range of pure roadkill just ran over -- or just shot a stream from its ass at u..to when you get 100 ft from it dead in the road.. the odor just hitting the nasalz for the first time..would smell more of like a tickle/tingle the nose..like a spicey smell or crushed fresh pepper, then become pissy and more skunky as it gets stronger... and it can be on the verge of fresh cut onions and crushed fresh garlic so eye watering. little more or little less of something or another..but related to the skunk 'stay the f away from me i'm dangerous' odor. next time your in a garden nursery, look for a spider flower plant...a.k.a 'cleome'..rub on that plants stem and give your fingers a sniff, its very close..like a mild version of the pissy smell..but same stay away from me stank..cleomes can really stink like cat piss/skunk!! especially when wet.

bigherb wish i could crush up a bud of this for you and smear it on your nose, lol, i haven't seen anyone who took a wiff of it and eyebrows went up and eyes wide open..instant smile before even smoking it, it stinks that different, or maybe unique? i also catch wiffs when driving behind trucks, or buses..like exhaust smell can sometimes contain it, and make me think of weed.. i thought maybe thats what they ment from the smell of diesel..or sour diesel..lol

xoox

 

[cocktail frank]

all i know is that i call a haze session a prayer session.
cuz the whole room smells like a church when your done.
all the incense, but none of the sodomy from the priests.

 

[bigherb]

xoox

n only becaz its piff i will allow you to smear it on my nose lol


aside from me you hav been most descriptive of taste n aromas ur deatails r most appreciated

cf
xactly
wen we bust out that uppie we say lets take em too church

they though it was hype
till mns origins of haze forums set it st8

1luvbigherb

 

[g0dzilla]

all i know is that i call a haze session a prayer session.
cuz the whole room smells like a church when your done.
all the incense, but none of the sodomy from the priests.

lol thats funny but true.. art if there is ever a chance for s1's im pretty sure the demand would be through the roof.. anyway preserve it at the very least.. If i had the opportunity to get some uptown i would def pay top dollla..

 

[horror business]

I remember my first time smoking this Haze...

I was visiting my family in New Jersey a few years ago. My younger cousin had started to smoke, so I brought with me a fair amount of great strains. Lavender, Levi, Juicy, and Fat Bastard, all pre-rolled in to joints, all great flavorful strains with comfortable and relaxing highs.

I had the opportunity to get a few .08 $20 bags, so I decided to see what NJ had to offer. Since I was dealing with new and younger smokers, I didn't have high hopes as to what it would be. I figured it would be your average beasters at best, or some mids.

My cousins connection would get his stuff from NYC, that's all I knew. When he delivered it to me, and told me it was "Haze", I figured it was just some made-up name for some generic good weed.

My cousin and I went in to the woods to smoke. The bud inside the little bag was so pungent and sticky. It was covered in big visible trichomes. I packed the bowl, and we began to smoke.

The first thing I noticed was the flavor. Deep, pungent, perfumey incense. I was very impressed. It stood up to the flavor of the strains I brought with me, in fact I liked it even better since it was so unique and good.

But that wasn't the highlight of the experience. My cousin and I were sitting my a big tree in the woods on a bright summer day, and after a few hits, it all hit me so strong. It was so intense and visual, but not in a bad way at all. No anxiety, just out of this world blazed, and peaceful. Looking around the woods, everything looked so bright, magical, and enchanted. I was so impressed by this stuff.

It was like the first time getting completely blazed out of your mind, without any anxiety that sometimes accompanies a first sativa experience. It made my mouth extremely dry.

At the time I had never heard of Piff before, and I wasn't aware of this NYC Uptown Haze, so I assumed it was just some amazing strain given a generic Haze name. Now I know I was wrong. It was THE haze, the piff.

Every once in a while I'll get a strain, sometimes even an imported Sativa, that has a little bit of that Piff flavor, but nothing to this day has come close to it.

I'm really excited that you (art of making fire) have succeeded in growing this amazing strain that can stand up with the best elites.

Peace,

 

[$myle]

art wat u been working on, have u produced any seeds yet or wat???????????!?

 

[dub 6]

Hey Art, once you got the pheno and all that you're lookin for you may wanna take a look at the colloidal silver thread and make some fem seeds!

Become a doner on the bay cuz I damn sure need some of that... im reminiscing on my high school days when we used to take trips up to B'way and to Dykeman to get that fire! Almost died on the FDR puffin that shit on my way back to Queens...

Miss that shit... Bring it back!!

 

[Fatt Daddy]

Just the Uptown Haze. I know there are no known and documented indigenous strains found in NYC. LoL. The origins of haze are pretty well known. I would love to know if there exists some landrace phenotypes of haze that display this odor and characteristics.

Imagine if the original cut is straight out of a Latin country?

Smuggled here somehow and kept in certain circles?

A hybrid?

I do not believe there is anyone on these boards or "in the community" that have "the cut". And by "the cut" I mean the one they run commercially. The oldschool orginal.

Before all these haze hybrids came around the block that have the Piff smell. Sort of. But not that "block work" I remember from the mid to late 90's. That cut. "The cut".

However, for now, I am happy with these two phenos.

And only time will tell if others who know nothing of the Uptown Haze (being from way out of the area, etc.) will think that it is worthy of the acclaim.

Time will tell now...

I was always under the impression that the Haze popular in nyc came from
jamaica. Don't know if that's true or not, but many old heads considered to be in the know and involved in the scene have told me this.

 

[horror business]

Maybe it originated in Jamaica, but I doubt it, and it's definitely not still being grown there unless they are growing it indoors and preserving it perfectly for shipping. One thing is for sure though, it's definitely not outdoor herb.

 

[whiskeytango420]

all i know is that i call a haze session a prayer session.
cuz the whole room smells like a church when your done.
all the incense, but none of the sodomy from the priests.

sheeee-it! Lets get a prayer session going! Would LOVE to come up north this summer, chill with some f.a.m, and finally be able to try this uptown/piff... Sounds better than any of the OGs or Chems....Seems to touch ya in a special way....(sure about there being no sodomy CF?)
good vibes

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Most of it is grown indoors right here in NYC.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/nyc040907.html

That is a link to a DEA bust on their website. They tell you all about the setup. Over 700 4 foot high plants. I know it to be The Uptown...

What they don't tell you is:

They have apprehended NO ONE in connection with this operation.

Most are done in this way. Some of it come from down south via 95N. Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas generate any thats not grown RIGHT ON AMSTERDAM.

 

[Fatt Daddy]

Maybe it originated in Jamaica, but I doubt it, and it's definitely not still being grown there unless they are growing it indoors and preserving it perfectly for shipping. One thing is for sure though, it's definitely not outdoor herb.

Yeah to clarify I didn't mean it was being shipped from Jamaica. I was referring to its origins/lineage.

Also let's not forget that nyc haze is a hybrid. It is definately not a pure Sativa.. It has too much of a stone going on. And certain phenos Ive come across have overly dense/compact nugs. My theory is that is a tropical Sativa that somehow ended up in the NY area from one of the many immigrants. It was then crossed with a white strain like WW to improve on its indoor appeal/profitability by growers during the early indoor cultivation boom period. We can all speculate..noone really has any solid evidence. Thats just what I believe from my experience of smoking the strain, and information that I have read and have been told.

 

[bigherb]

fatt daddy

i think it very possibly can be pure sativa

too much of a stone lol no such thing

how bout strains of yesteryear many pure colombian were noted too be narcotic

colombian wacky weed

chocolate thai

sams said it himself purple haze was som of the strongest smoke n not a clear or up high

sat heads just check out lou grew asia girls pics n description

as 4 jamaica i dont think so

if anyone that is a true haze lover has smoked that tru church or any mns hybrids or has taken time to check origins of haze thread at mns web site you will see the aromas n taste of his haze hybrids r very well matched wit our nyc hazes

white widow i kno you didnt hope you was smokin while you were typin lol

experience is the best teacher

listen to ART



1luvbigherb

 

[Fatt Daddy]

I doubt nyc haze is a pure sativa, but like I said there's no concrete proof of anything. Just a lot of hearsay and opinions. It just wouldn't make sense for commercial growers to work with one, and more times than not they dont. Then what about the indica traits that a lot of piff has that floats around...explain that one.But then Some ny haze i've come across is very sativa dominant, and seems to have been pulled prematurely...soo who knows.

And far as the jamaican thing.... I was just stating what I have heard people say...but please reread and note that I did not say this was true. I said I didn't know (and who really does). I then went on to say that I believe its origins trace back to a tropical sativa, and was then crossed with some sort of white strain. That is a possibility, anything is a possibility. Some more so than others. It's my theory/opinion, and I am entitled to it. But I am not fully closed out to any new ideas I come across. I don't know why you're responding to me like I am denouncing what ART has said; that is simply not the case man.

 

[cocktail frank]

some pure sats can go 26 weeks.
NOBODY is making money growing those.

 

[Fatt Daddy]

^ word.