Phylos Galaxy - Landrace discussion

[mexcurandero420]

Yep saving the gene pool, but at the time Nevil had his Seed Bank, there was already an exchange of genetics in Jamaica and Morocco also.Laurence Cherniak wrote in his book The great book of Cannabis about Pakistani genetics grown in Morocco and btw the BOEL brought Lebanese genetics to Mexico in the 60s.Nevil gave seeds to the University of Wageningen in the Netherlands i believe.Don't know if they still have them.

 

[Thule]

Yep saving the gene pool, but at the time Nevil had his Seed Bank, there was already an exchange of genetics in Jamaica and Morocco also.Laurence Cherniak wrote in his book The great book of Cannabis about Pakistani genetics grown in Morocco and btw the BOEL brought Lebanese genetics to Mexico in the 60s.Nevil gave seeds to the University of Wageningen in the Netherlands i believe.Don't know if they still have them.

Got a link to BOEL's endeavours in Mexico? It's a shady area to me still but I'm very interested in what makes the Mexican genepool.

 

[ahortator]

hehehehehe Lebanese electric and psychdelic???

There was a legend about a group of entrepreneurs who imported seed from Lebanon to Guerrero and grew the famed Lebanese Upper Mountain (LUM) from the late 1970’s to 1980. The LUM was electric, psychedelic and slightly sedative as well. A unique herb that I wish there would have been more of. https://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2005/06/28/4280/

 

[White Beard]

??? Electric, psychedelic, and *SEDATIVE*??? WT effin’ F?

 

[Thcvhunter]

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[Nexus7]

Anybody who trusts the results at Phylos does not have a clue about the canna industry.
Phylos says landrace Colombian is related to Skunk, instead of the other way around.
Phylos, Chimera, and Skunkman are all in the same bed.

Must be a big bed lol.

Can you provide examples of your latest gripe?

Phylos is based on DNA testing. If one plant is related to another plant they must share the same relationship. It makes little sense what you are saying. If a particular skunk is progeny of Colombian then that Colombian must be parent of that Skunk.

If you're just whingeing about the bar graph with the arbitrary skunk, landrace, hemp, cbd, berry, og categories you really need to get a life. They are just arbitrary labels!

The important info is the direct and indirect relationship between samples which phylos does well. This allows us to accurately trace providence of lines.

E.g. 1980 Colombian Gold (crosby line) was shown to be directly related to OldTimers Haze. 1980 CG was also directly related to commercial 1976 Thai stick.

Sams Afghan/Skunk is directly related to CBG's Oaxaca '79.

You should note on phylos Sams '79? skunk is not directly or distantly related to any other samples. This disproves the common myth that most things dutch has come off the back of Sams hard work.

Sure phylos is a gimmick and is there solely to make money. But it's not as nefarious as you make it out to be.

Peace,

N7

 

[Nexus7]

^^^ Scratch that! I just checked phylos and now SamS skunk is distantly related to a whole host of samples. Funny thing is it's directly related to another's persons skunk '81 submission but that Skunk '81 has no distant relatives. Interesting indeed!

Also now we have two different A5 Haze submissions. Ace seeds and DNA genetics. Both unrelated to each other but both related to Hash Plant Haze also submitted by DNA. Ace directly, DNA indirectly.

Maybe you're somewhat right THCV seems like they are updating their relationships to fit their agenda ...

N7

 

[Roms]

hehehehehe Lebanese electric and psychdelic???

??? Electric, psychedelic, and *SEDATIVE*??? WT effin’ F?

Indeed the Lebanese is probably related with the famous old sativa from Kalamata area in Greece. Then its genetic evolved to the high altitude climate of Lebanon and became a special short sativa hashplant. That's why its effects are known to be one of the best combo in the hasch world!

 

[Water-]

^^^ Scratch that! I just checked phylos and now SamS skunk is distantly related to a whole host of samples. Funny thing is it's directly related to another's persons skunk '81 submission but that Skunk '81 has no distant relatives. Interesting indeed!

Also now we have two different A5 Haze submissions. Ace seeds and DNA genetics. Both unrelated to each other but both related to Hash Plant Haze also submitted by DNA. Ace directly, DNA indirectly.

Maybe you're somewhat right THCV seems like they are updating their relationships to fit their agenda ...

N7

If you click on the Mauritius p2 sample it shows it self to be a possible parent to both A5 samples and Hash Plant Haze.
So a relation is shown, but it seems to be showing only certain forms of relation. ?

A part of the confusion is coming from labeling.
People have changed names of things a lot in the past.


Im thinking that the skunk81 is just something someone called a strain that they didnt know what it was. So, it not related to other Skunk because it didnt actuallly come out of the supposed SamS Skunk breeding program

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Electric, psychedelic and sedative is something that I have experience a lot in southern african varieties.

they wind me up and my mind gets tired after awhile from all the stimulation and thinking,
then I feel like hitting the hamock and resting my brain.

 

[Nexus7]

If you click on the Mauritius p2 sample it shows it self to be a possible parent to both A5 samples and Hash Plant Haze.
So a relation is shown, but it seems to be showing only certain forms of relation. ?

A part of the confusion is coming from labeling.
People have changed names of things a lot in the past.


Im thinking that the skunk81 is just something someone called a strain that they didnt know what it was. So, it not related to other Skunk because it didnt actuallly come out of the supposed SamS Skunk breeding program

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Electric, psychedelic and sedative is something that I have experience a lot in southern african varieties.

they wind me up and my mind gets tired after awhile from all the stimulation and thinking,
then I feel like hitting the hamock and resting my brain.

Yes it seems the Mauritius P2 male could be the Haze A or C male or something very similar.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/PGT-243527/ace-seeds/mauritius-p2-male

Strange for Ace to submit a male but no corresponding female plant for the Mauritius line. Must be a stellar male in any case. Might have to get some of those beans...

No the Skunk '81 is related to Sams skunk. Just not to the other samples Sams Skunk is now distantly related to.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/CRT-1107/david-watson/skunk-1

N7

 

[popta]

It says samples listed on the outer ring are NOT immediate relatives right? I think that means Mauritius P2 can't be a mother, father, brother, or sister to A5 haze.

 

[Water-]

Yes it seems the Mauritius P2 male could be the Haze A or C male or something very similar.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/PGT-243527/ace-seeds/mauritius-p2-male

Strange for Ace to submit a male but no corresponding female plant for the Mauritius line. Must be a stellar male in any case. Might have to get some of those beans...

No the Skunk '81 is related to Sams skunk. Just not to the other samples Sams Skunk is now distantly related to.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/CRT-1107/david-watson/skunk-1

N7

I see what you are saying about the Skunk.

I would say it has to do with what kind of relationship they are showing us but I also feel like any answer I come up with is not reliable because there is so little information to work with.

Until they tell us how they created these groupings and how they are showing relationships than it is not possible make much sense of it all.

Do you think that all the tropical landraces are really as closely related as the Galaxy shows?

It seems strange that after hundreds of years they would all be so closely related and in a couple decades, pollen chucking created OGs that are more gentically distant to each other than any landrace is?

The galaxy makes it look like the oppposite of a genetic bottle neck has gone in the Cannabis genome.
It makes it look there has been a massive amount of hybridization that has caused a great amount of diversity.

 

[Thcvhunter]

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[Water-]

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Originally Posted by Nexus7 View Post
Yes it seems the Mauritius P2 male could be the Haze A or C male or something very similar.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/PGT-...ritius-p2-male

Strange for Ace to submit a male but no corresponding female plant for the Mauritius line. Must be a stellar male in any case. Might have to get some of those beans...

No the Skunk '81 is related to Sams skunk. Just not to the other samples Sams Skunk is now distantly related to.

https://phylos.bio/sims/variety/CRT-...watson/skunk-1

N7
I see what you are saying about the Skunk.

I would say it has to do with what kind of relationship they are showing us but I also feel like any answer I come up with is not reliable because there is so little information to work with.

Until they tell us how they created these groupings and how they are showing relationships than it is not possible make much sense of it all.

Do you think that all the tropical landraces are really as closely related as the Galaxy shows?

It seems strange that after hundreds of years they would all be so closely related and in a couple decades, pollen chucking created OGs that are more gentically distant to each other than any landrace is?

The galaxy makes it look like the oppposite of a genetic bottle neck has gone in the Cannabis genome.
It makes it look there has been a massive amount of hybridization that has caused a great amount of diversity.

 

[Breadwizard]

I wonder if the "Mexico" sample by Robert C Clarke (https://phylos.bio/sims/sample/genotype/eg5672x8) is the same line as "first lady" by original delicatessen, allegedly a 60s landrace mexican that was gifted to OD by Clarke.

Interesting that it's related to the Oaxaca 79 held by CBG.

 

[Nexus7]

It says samples listed on the outer ring are NOT immediate relatives right? I think that means Mauritius P2 can't be a mother, father, brother, or sister to A5 haze.

Yes you're quite right. Mauritius P2 is distantly related to both A5 Haze cuts. Possibly grandparent or distant cousin ...

Strange though HPH is a direct relative to the Mauritius P2. Also Ace seeds Malawi seems to be distantly related to the same NL5/Haze family.

N7

 

[Nexus7]

I wonder if the "Mexico" sample by Robert C Clarke (https://phylos.bio/sims/sample/genotype/eg5672x8) is the same line as "first lady" by original delicatessen, allegedly a 60s landrace mexican that was gifted to OD by Clarke.

Interesting that it's related to the Oaxaca 79 held by CBG.

Nice find! I think you could be on to something there.

N7

 

[Nexus7]

Quote:
Do you think that all the tropical landraces are really as closely related as the Galaxy shows?

It seems strange that after hundreds of years they would all be so closely related and in a couple decades, pollen chucking created OGs that are more gentically distant to each other than any landrace is?

The galaxy makes it look like the oppposite of a genetic bottle neck has gone in the Cannabis genome.
It makes it look there has been a massive amount of hybridization that has caused a great amount of diversity.

Yes I think the tropical sativa landraces that were submitted are closely related to each other. Maybe in the past they were more diverse but only a handful seem to have been kept or a least submitted to phylos.

However I don't think the 3d galaxy is the best way to graphically represent the information. It's more like a complex family tree. I like to look at it as the older relatives on the outside of the galaxy converging into more modern drugs strains in the centre. It may look more diverse because of the sheer number of modern drug samples submitted but the distance in between individual clusters of samples can be misleading IMO.

Peace,

N7

 

[Water-]

The Hemp/Landrace cline seems to be more accurate in terms of genetic distance than what they have done with the hybrids inorder to keep it from being just a cluster ball of dots.

https://phylos.bio/sims/sample/genotype/x82n1nn8
This is for DJ Shorts Blueberry/Flo father.

first ring shows children and second row shows grandchildren.

 

[ahortator]

I see what you are saying about the Skunk.

I would say it has to do with what kind of relationship they are showing us but I also feel like any answer I come up with is not reliable because there is so little information to work with.

Until they tell us how they created these groupings and how they are showing relationships than it is not possible make much sense of it all.

Do you think that all the tropical landraces are really as closely related as the Galaxy shows?

It seems strange that after hundreds of years they would all be so closely related and in a couple decades, pollen chucking created OGs that are more gentically distant to each other than any landrace is?

The galaxy makes it look like the oppposite of a genetic bottle neck has gone in the Cannabis genome.
It makes it look there has been a massive amount of hybridization that has caused a great amount of diversity.

Hi. It is really easy to explain that. In the past usually the way of growing or breeding wasn't hybridization. It was masal selection or somewhat like that.

So a farmer or grower got their seeds, grew them and chose the better ones or at least the ones he liked to grow the next season. If cross pollination happened was due to neighbouring plants which belonged to the same genepoool.

So if someone found a good psychedelic strain in Tien Shan mountains or Himlaya or wherever NLD appeared. They simply got seeds and share them so they spreaded to India. It seems later to South East Asia and Islands. Perhaps from South India to East Africa. Later from Phillippines or anywhere there to México, from Kalimantan to Colombia and so on. I think that is the reason why NLD genepool is so closely related.

When people (modern breeders) began to cross tropical NLD with Central Asian BLD about 60's and 70's, they got something with mixed genetic markers from both origins so it seems you get more diversity but in fact it was only a first step towards an homogeneus mix. Nowadays polyhybrids seem more simmilar to a synthetic or a composite variety.

https://theagricos.com/plant-breeding/synthetic-variety/

https://theagricos.com/plant-breeding/composite-variety/

Middle Eastern and North Africa BLD's seem to be mixed with rope hemp genepool.

The problem with Phylos is they did their first tests with BLD/NLD modern hybrids. So if Skunk#1 is Acapulco Gold x Colombian/Afghan, they show it as if Acapulco Gold is 50% Skunk, but in fact it is exactly the opposite.

Greetings.