Phylos Galaxy - Landrace discussion

[AgentPothead]

Money won't do anything to fill the holes in their souls though. Now maybe a nicely cured sativa

 

[gunsofbrixton]

Are there any cannabanoid test results for any of these strains?

 

[oldbootz]

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[JudahsSceptre]

I bet world of seeds won’t be making any submissions, scammy fuckers wasted a bunch of this trusting persons time.

HAHAHAHA, I was just gonna mention them until I saw this.. so true...

 

[White Beard]

we are all adults here, i'm not gonna ban someone for using a bad word. everyone loses their temper once in a while. if he wants to be seen to be talking to people like that its kinda his loss. i don't see the need to get involved in a personal disagreement thats on topic, between 2 adults, specially as the one it was aimed at didn't report it.

I agree that the conversation about cannabis and indigenous Eastern spirituality is off-topic, but it’s also fascinating to me at least: is there any chance of the digression being siphoned off to its own thread?

 

[White Beard]

In response to the question about recent examples of fraudulent science:

Off the top of my head the over-prescribing of opiates.

Apparently the science was good, it was the deliberate business fakery with which Purdue pharma pushed medicos to prescribe OxyContin for everything and blame the problems on the patients themselves. Not the only example.

The Fukushima nuclear plant.

Are you talking about the corporate malfeasance that allowed GE to sell a reactor design it knew was riddled with issues, or to the massive downplaying that the meltdowns and radioactive releases have received in the media, or to TEPCO’s clear lack of any clue of how to deal with the disaster, with their ongoing hapless response?

Some posters suspect Phylos of abusing their authority but time will tell.

I myself suspect Phylos of a convenient use of science in pursuit of an agenda

Wow I'm really destroying this thread now it's devolved into a thread about whether experts are infallible. There's still 'experts' who view homosexuality as a disease that can be 'treated'. Glyphosate is harmless.

Unproven

Ngapka mentions the Scythians as an example of pre-Columbus smoking. This is not true no one has found a pipe or bong associated with the Scythians. Ngapka is trolling.

Herodotus published an account of the Scythians making sweat lodges. They'd pour hemp seed onto the hot rocks to make steam. It is possible the 'seeds' were 'buds full of seeds'. This would not be surprising as many cultures that build sweat lodges burn herbs on hot rocks to create smoke.

I'm not sure if this would be as pleasant or as stoney as some would imagine it. The hemp the Scythians used would have been Ruderalis from the Ukranian steppe containing barely any THC, maybe some CBD. And it would have been loaded with seeds. Think Minnesota ditch weed. If the Scythians were inhaling the smoke they may have gotten a major headache.

First you cite Herodotus (w/ minor inaccuracy), then you contradict him: his description of the Scythians’ reaction to breathing the vapors suggests the opposite of what you suggest (Minnesota ditch weed)

I'm going to end it there.... I'd recommend the moderators move this somewhere else there is some good info and plenty of good trolling but it doesn't belong in the Phylos Thread.

I agree.

 

[Water-]

On Phylos, I would love to see more landrace samples from all over.

I feel like are missing a lot due to a lack of diversity and small size in the amount samples.
So, I think that its hard to draw conclusions or even hypothesis and be super confident we are correct based on what we see so far with phylos.

another thing is that they need to create more catagories.

Hemp is being used as a proxy for unnamed genetic marker or markers.
obviously DJ's gear is not mostly hemp nor does it come out of the skunk breeding project.
it needs a name.

and the afghan hash plants probably should have there own landrace catagory.
I doubt that they have as much much fiber hemp in them as the test is showing either

 

[romanoweed]

they should have easy to undertand, to a certain degree interductions. Tutorials on how to make conclusions. Like that its Kind of a dense jungle , and i dont know what to doo, how to read it. It would be a nice Thing to learn about breeding inside this maps. I tend to sarch on YouTube, to find tutorials, or conclusions, or Hands on demonstrations.. It has an attracting Component to it, especially to the broad mass of backstreetbreeders.. hahah

 

[Thcvhunter]

x

 

[troutman]

x

 

[Water-]

it is a buisness.

but it is clearly science and many people do not have the education level to understand what is going on and do not comprehend what they are seeing or reading,
leading them to false conclusions

It will keep changing as progress is made. That is how science works.
I look forward to more changes.

 

[funkyhorse]

Master Water-

It seems many of us agree on the main target of this project which is business, money, hierarchy, status, prestige and power

But we dont seem to agree on the science part of this galaxy or maybe it is not clear enough
When you say:"...many people do not have the education level to understand what is going on and do not comprehend what they are seeing or reading,
leading them to false conclusions..."
If you are talking about the PHD's that work at Phylos making the tests, then I totally agree with you

Samples being sent for tests by seedbanks are always the top and best examples of the strain. When you buy a pack of those tested strains, you never get what the seedbanks sent for testing.

I assume PHD's are smart enough to realize such basic fact. They are not making a large test pool of a strain but selected samples.
Phylos works with biased data. You will get biased results. This is a scientific fact.

Under the name of science many atrocities have been commited, same under the name of religion or the name of a God
What about the morals and ethics of science?

This project is about copyrighting living entities, copyrighting living beings
This is aberrant. This is failed/fallen science coming from a fallen society that is consuming the resources of the planet abnormally: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33133712

So we are living in a society of greek gods who think they can copyright any living entity, any living being at will
We are living in a society of great doctors and PHD's who think themselves superior because of the nobility title they hold and because of that they clean their asses with the trees
This is absolutely non sustainable. WTF@cleaning your asses with the trees? You chop down the amazon to make toilet paper and then when you realize the amazon is gone, what will you use to clean your asses, greek gods?
The only sustainable way of cleaning your ass is with water, like ancient asian people countries do. If asian people would use toilet paper like westerners, forests would have been gone long ago from the planet

First they came for ayahuasca:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...sing_Questions_About_Current_US_Patent_Policy

Now they are coming for Santa Maria:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53985

Copyrighting living entities is insane, do you think you own plants, you own strains? If you think so, then the plants and the strains own you. You can never claim copyright over a living being

 

[Water-]

Master Water-

It seems many of us agree on the main target of this project which is business, money, hierarchy, status, prestige and power

But we dont seem to agree on the science part of this galaxy or maybe it is not clear enough
When you say:"...many people do not have the education level to understand what is going on and do not comprehend what they are seeing or reading,
leading them to false conclusions..."
If you are talking about the PHD's that work at Phylos making the tests, then I totally agree with you

Samples being sent for tests by seedbanks are always the top and best examples of the strain. When you buy a pack of those tested strains, you never get what the seedbanks sent for testing.

I assume PHD's are smart enough to realize such basic fact. They are not making a large test pool of a strain but selected samples.
Phylos works with biased data. You will get biased results. This is a scientific fact.

Under the name of science many atrocities have been commited, same under the name of religion or the name of a God
What about the morals and ethics of science?

This project is about copyrighting living entities, copyrighting living beings
This is aberrant. This is failed/fallen science coming from a fallen society that is consuming the resources of the planet abnormally: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33133712

So we are living in a society of greek gods who think they can copyright any living entity, any living being at will
We are living in a society of great doctors and PHD's who think themselves superior because of the nobility title they hold and because of that they clean their asses with the trees
This is absolutely non sustainable. WTF@cleaning your asses with the trees? You chop down the amazon to make toilet paper and then when you realize the amazon is gone, what will you use to clean your asses, greek gods?
The only sustainable way of cleaning your ass is with water, like ancient asian people countries do. If asian people would use toilet paper like westerners, forests would have been gone long ago from the planet

First they came for ayahuasca:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...sing_Questions_About_Current_US_Patent_Policy

Now they are coming for Santa Maria:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53985

Copyrighting living entities is insane, do you think you own plants, you own strains? If you think so, then the plants and the strains own you. You can never claim copyright over a living being

Genetics were not being taught when many of us were in school.
So, it is no surprise that some people are baffled by it and it is not something people should feel bad about.
And not everyones brain can wrap their minds around the 3D spatial mapping as easy as others. Some people are visual learners and some are not.
But what they are presenting is actually quite simple once you understand a few things. No PhD is needed.
They actual are not presenting us with much information and have a ton of questions i woudl love to ask someone.
Im not looking to offend anybody and im sorry if I have.
If you dont get something just ask and maybe somebody here can explain it.

Something to keep in mind is that they are not copyrighting living enitities!
The word you are looking for is Patent.


Here is information on the Patenting of plants in the USA:

https://www.uspto.gov/patents-getti...eneral-information-about-35-usc-161#heading-1

What is a plant patent?
A plant patent is granted by the United States government to an inventor (or the inventor's heirs or assigns) who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced a distinct and new variety of plant, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state. The grant, which lasts for 20 years from the date of filing the application, protects the patent owner’s right to exclude others from asexually reproducing the plant, and from using, offering for sale, or selling the plant so reproduced, or any of its parts, throughout the United States, or from importing the plant so reproduced, or any part thereof, into the United States. This protection is limited to a plant in its ordinary meaning:

A living plant organism which expresses a set of characteristics determined by its single, genetic makeup or genotype, which can be duplicated through asexual reproduction, but cannot otherwise be "made" or "manufactured."

Cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, or transformed plants, where sports or mutants may be spontaneous or induced, and hybrids may be natural, from a planned breeding program, or somatic in source. While natural plant mutants might have naturally occurred, they must have been discovered in a cultivated area.

Algae and macro-fungi are regarded as plants, but bacteria are not.

The information presented in this publication is tailored to apply to, and is limited to patents on asexually reproduced plants. While the USPTO does accept utility applications having claims to plants, seed, genes, etc., such practice is beyond the scope of this publication. General information regarding utility patent practice can be obtained by calling the USPTO Inventors Assistance Center at 1-800-786-9199, or from a registered patent attorney or agent. Intellectual property protection for seed-reproduced plant varieties other than a utility patent is available through the USDA’s Plant Variety Protection Office, Washington, D.C., which should be contacted for information regarding non-patent intellectual property protection for such varieties.

Provisions and Limitations
Patents to plants, which are stable and reproduced by asexual reproduction, and not a potato or other edible tuber reproduced plant, are provided for by Title 35 United States Code, Section 161 which states:

"Whoever invents or discovers and asexually reproduces any distinct and new variety of plant, including cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, and newly found seedlings, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title.

The provisions of this title relating to patents for inventions shall apply to patents for plants, except as otherwise provided."

As noted in the last paragraph of the statute, the plant patent must also satisfy the general requirements of patentability. The subject matter of the application would be a plant which is developed or discovered by the inventor, and which has been found stable by asexual reproduction. To be patentable, it is also required:

That the plant was invented or discovered in a cultivated state, and asexually reproduced.

That the plant is not a plant which is excluded by statute, where the part of the plant used for asexual reproduction is not a tuber food part, as with potato or Jerusalem artichoke;

That the inventor named for a plant patent application must be the person who actually invented the claimed plant, i.e., discovered or developed and identified or isolated, and asexually reproduced the plant;

That the plant has not been patented, in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public prior to the effective filing date of the patent application with certain exceptions;

That the plant has not been described in a U.S. patent or published patent application with certain exceptions;

That the plant be shown to differ from known, related plants by at least one distinguishing characteristic, which is more than a difference caused by growing conditions or fertility levels, etc.; and

That the invention would not have been obvious to one having ordinary skill in the art as of the effective filing date of the claimed plant invention.

Where doubt exists as to the patentability of a specific plant, a qualified patent practitioner should be consulted prior to filing an application for a plant patent."

peace
water-

 

[Elmer Bud]

 

[Water-]

G `day Water

Ever notice Chimera isn`t around since people found out he has patented varieties ?


Thanks for sharin

EB .

I wasn't aware that he had.

I was under the impression that he and Sam were saying what I posted above... that you have to create something new in order to be able to patent it?

I know people are copyrighting names.

what did he patent?

Im interested?

peace
water-

 

[Elmer Bud]

A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.
Hunter S. Thompson

 

[Water-]

chimera is into genetic modification in a laboratory setting (GMO) and that has no relevance to landraces

peace

 

[Stickybred420]

literally look up his company and you will find your answers. took me about 3 seconds to find.

 

[mexcurandero420]

As a breeder, author, and researcher, he developed his specialization in the field of genetic resources focused on growing disease-specific cultivars of unique cannabinoid and terpene composition. Lee is a recognized expert in manipulating the biosynthetic pathways of the cannabis plant over generations of cultivation. He has also done extensive laboratory research into the chemotaxic grouping of cannabis varieties and the mechanisms of inheritance for the metabolites produced by the plant. Working alongside some of the most recognized cannabis organizations around the world, he has developed tissue culture protocols for standardized plantlet production and created breeding programs focused on the development of both medicinal and recreational strains.

This is what he's doing.Only something went wrong with the Frankie's Hz.

 

[Guest]

And to think that he was waving the finger to Nevil for bottlenecking the genepool Life's a bitch.

I have to agree one more time how stupid their system is.
No indica landraces(anything deemed as landrace seems to be central/south america based).
Most "berry "I ve seen is OGKB ....Why base results /establish category on a polyhybrid that has been around few years around only ?The same goes for for skunk of course.It messes up mexican and afghan samples.And I got a hunch that berry is mostly related to NL...