Phylos Galaxy - Landrace discussion

[CannaRed]

Man it really sucks when knowledgeable people that I respect start fighting amongst themselves.
Hope it settles I have years more to learn from you all

 

[Dr.Young]

Yall trying to hug it out....

Letting our minds steer our words in directions of misunderstandings, and not love...
Like positive vibes and stuff man..
Whoa

Its all the same plant with different humidity/light adaptations and selections over da years mon...

 

[Dog Star]

G `day DS

Thanks for the diagnosis Dr Doggie .
Just wonderin what medical school you attended ?

Surely it was that respected institution ; Trollingston Park College of Ineptitude and Confusion ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Common Elmer you know better... i was only point on your superiority complex and your delusions you fit some mental discipline.. while truth is opposite and you mostly spill mental BS and insults toward others..

am told you in first post a goal is to be good person,hummble and kind..

Do you fit those parameters if you wish proper answers from other people??


You talk Nagkpa is like that or like this.. while in same time you doesnt look in your behaviour toward other people..

and you act harsh,discriminatory and superiority over others..

Acting absolute in a systhem where you are not absolute is a very wrong to do.. you remember those your words..

Karma is a bitch.. ehh bro..

 

[Water-]

"See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh"
-Bob Marley




This thread is about Phylos lets keep it that way.

If you have nothing to add to the subject and just want to insult people then PM them

 

[Ready4]

Oldtimer Haze = Colombian Gold.



https://phylos.bio/sims/sample/genotype/egwr2qe8

Thank you !


I see there is much discussion on how accurate the Phylos Galaxy is, good points in each direction.

I do know that I will now be getting some Oldtimer Haze and trying it out. The end results are what matter the most.
I do know that every data collection type system is only as good as it's input data. If data is mislabeled/inaccurate, end results will be flawed at best.

And since no first class biological research station will probably take this up any time soon, Phylos may provide some interesting information.
If you like what you grow, Phylos may have zero relevancy.

Seeing people argue about it is ... well..... not right. Chill, fire one up & pass it around ! Happy Holidays to all.

 

[Ready4]

Regarding "Colombian Gold" .... the problem with defining something as "Colombian Gold" is flawed in itself. In 1978-79, I was getting some Colombian Gold that was, by far, the most potent 'gold" I ever saw. All the older guys in the neighborhood & - their friends were just crazy for it. It was "expensive" compared to the other good bud going around but it was the best by far, full of seeds (damn wish I would kept some lol) , 1-2,3 hits from a tiny joint would slam even the hardest daily smoker.

Then, by 1980-81, what was being passed off as "Colombian Gold" was nowhere near as potent, some was just average Mexican made "gold" = the cocaine trade ruined the awesome Colombian bud imports, far more profit in coke.
I have seen it speculated that there was some indica introduced in that earlier - not sure about that, but one toothpick joint would nail 4 daily smokers hard.
All these "back in the day strains" were never just one strain, similar for sure but ...

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Regarding "Colombian Gold" .... the problem with defining something as "Colombian Gold" is flawed in itself. In 1978-79, I was getting some Colombian Gold that was, by far, the most potent 'gold" I ever saw. All the older guys in the neighborhood & - their friends were just crazy for it. It was "expensive" compared to the other good bud going around but it was the best by far, full of seeds (damn wish I would kept some lol) , 1-2,3 hits from a tiny joint would slam even the hardest daily smoker.

Then, by 1980-81, what was being passed off as "Colombian Gold" was nowhere near as potent, some was just average Mexican made "gold" = the cocaine trade ruined the awesome Colombian bud imports, far more profit in coke.
I have seen it speculated that there was some indica introduced in that earlier - not sure about that, but one toothpick joint would nail 4 daily smokers hard.
All these "back in the day strains" were never just one strain, similar for sure but ...

Climate, breeding practices, luck and supply and demand. As soon as someone offers to pay more for the better stuff every one else loses. As soon as a farmer chooses a higher yielding or more convenient variety. There goes that.

Just a few ideas what could change.

 

[Thule]

I speculated earlier that these english denominations like Colombian red or Colombian Gold rescribe nothing but the color of the buds in question. Both may be just phenotypes of either Punto Rojo or Mangobiche or whatever the growers might have called it.


This particular green haze (link)clusters close to three different "Colombian Golds" and one Panama on Phylos. Keep clicking the different names and you'll find them connected to "Punto Rojo", "Pelo Naranja", "Red Corrento" and other supposedly red strains.



Somebody posted a genetic study that I had forgotten about, can't find it right now. In this study they found a marker that was present in most African strains and in addition one strain from Colombia. Phylos clusters African strains close to Colombians, again a consistent result and backed up by a reputable study.

 

[Dr.Young]

It is said that the panama red and central american red stuff originated from angola red.. Definitely would like to try some Angola red, or Panama\punto rojo.

 

[Ready4]

I speculated earlier that these english denominations like Colombian red or Colombian Gold rescribe nothing but the color of the buds in question. Both may be just phenotypes of either Punto Rojo or Mangobiche or whatever the growers might have called it.


This particular green haze (link)clusters close to three different "Colombian Golds" and one Panama on Phylos. Keep clicking the different names and you'll find them connected to "Punto Rojo", "Pelo Naranja", "Red Corrento" and other supposedly red strains.



Somebody posted a genetic study that I had forgotten about, can't find it right now. In this study they found a marker that was present in most African strains and in addition one strain from Colombia. Phylos clusters African strains close to Colombians, again a consistent result and backed up by a reputable study.

The first time I got stoned, it was from smoking some Colombian Red - it was widely known as "redbud" in our area- listening to the Allman Bros. "Live at The Fillmore East" on a turntable, taking tokes out of large steamroller glass pipe. Tried to stand up after a while, fell right back down into my chair lol Did not try to get up for a while.

Wasn't old enough to drive, was so stoned when my Dad picked me up - on the way home, he said I smelled like smoke.... I quickly said we were raking & burning leaves in the friends back yard.
Damn fine memory ! Good times. Punto Rojo has sounded interesting for a long time, do you or does anybody have any experience growing that one ?

 

[Water-]

The research paper said that Africans cluster near Thai and that only one Colombian sample had a specific allele found in Southern African samples.

The Allele was found in one sample from Colombia and also one from West Africa.
That one Colombian could have come from west africa.

From my eyes it looks like Thai/Indian is the connection to Africa by looking at the clustering

I posted the link to the research in the African thread.

 

[mexcurandero420]

The research paper said that Africans cluster near Thai and that only one Colombian sample had a specific allele found in Southern African samples.

The Allele was also found in one sample from Colombia and one from West Africa.
That one Colombian could have come from west africa.

From my eyes it looks like Thai/Indian is the connection to Africa by looking at the clustering

I posted the link to the research in the African thread.

Was it from Ghana or Nigeria perhaps.Still have both in the fridge.

 

[Water-]

Was it from Ghana or Nigeria perhaps.Still have both in the fridge.

Nigeria

 

[Thule]

The research paper said that Africans cluster near Thai and that only one Colombian sample had a specific allele found in Southern African samples.

The Allele was found in one sample from Colombia and also one from West Africa.
That one Colombian could have come from west africa.

From my eyes it looks like Thai/Indian is the connection to Africa by looking at the clustering

I posted the link to the research in the African thread.

It all fits pretty well in what has been speculated. Austronesian migrations from SE Asia to Madagascar and East Africa, Indian trade routes after that. Introduction of African cannabis strains to South America during and after colonial times.

 

[Water-]

It all fits pretty well in what has been speculated. Austronesian migrations from SE Asia to Madagascar and East Africa, Indian trade routes after that. Introduction of African cannabis strains to South America during and after colonial times.View Image

That map is a poor example. It shows Human migration not plant migration.
There was no hemp in Polynesia.

The research paper does not point in that direction or you would find the specific African Alleles in most South American varieties.

The paper is sort of clear on that point.

They did not find the African Alleles outside of Africa beyond one sample. One sample does not prove anything other than there was at least one instance of transport.

Phylos shows a direct connection to South East Asia in Colombian varieties.

The Pacific Trade winds are called so because it carried ships from the Spanish colonies to South East Asia.
That is one likely source for the diaspora to south america


African herb has very different effects to South American herb in my experience.

 

[mexcurandero420]

“Marijuana arrived in Colombia thanks to the aid of the USA in 1930. Seven years before the USA made Marijuana illegal.. In 1930 the department of agriculture of the United States (USDA) created a project to promote the different uses of marijuana. United States knew that marijuana had immense medicinal potential and industrial. The USA did not want to use American lands so they decided to go to Colombia to develop the project. The Marijuana utilized for this project was brought from The Island of Borneo. Borneo and Colombia are very similar countries in question of environment. Both countries are situated in tropical rainy forests, the perfect environment to grow Marijuana and for this reason the USA chose Colombia for the project. Colombia is a very tropical country. In1937 the USA made Marijuana illegal. The projects were canceled. The gringos that were working in Colombia on the project had to return but they never destroyed the plants. They left the ones that were working with in Colombia.”

About Parke Davis

In fact in the early 20th century Parke Davis seed collectors introduced Indian sub-continent seed into Southern Appalachia to create Cannabis Americana of equal or greater potency to the Indian sub-continent product they were having difficulty importing due to disruption of shipping from world war one! Parke Davis collected seeds from India, Turkestan, and Nepal, and sent them back to be grown in the Blue Ridge mountains and Mexico!

 

[Water-]

About Parke Davis

maybe the distance between colombian and other strains on phylos can be explaned partly by pharmecutical companies working on developing and breading different varities
there.

But I think that it was being used before the 1930's

Panama was once apart of Colombia and as early as 1916 the US army was expresing concern about US/Puerto Rican troops stationed there using marijuana during the building of the canal.


https://greendorphin.com/the-panama...stigations-into-marijuana-by-the-us-military/

"By mid-1922, it became obvious that smoking marijuana had become common among soldiers on duty in the Canal Zone. In May 1922, the Provost Marshal from the Canal Zone contacted the Chief of Board of Health concerning the nature of marijuana and shortly after the Chief of Police also made an inquiry wondering if marijuana was a narcotic within the meaning of the Narcotic Drug Act.

On January 20, 1923, the US Military prohibited the possession of marijuana, however, it must have done very little to curb its use as a few months later in April, the Governor appointed a committee to investigate the use of marijuana and to recommend steps that should be taken to prevent its use."

 

[OldCoolSativa]

About Parke Davis

I've seen those quotes several time before but I've never seen a reference or source.

 

[Dr.Young]

"Another country where cultivation of Cannabis has been a means of subsistence for centuries is Angola in south-west Africa. The sativa landraces that grow here are widespread in the central highlands and the north-east of the country and were established prior to the Portuguese occupation, which began in 1575 and officially ended in 1975. Prior to independence (and the subsequent civil war) ships that came to the harbor at Luanda, the nation's capital and an important trading port, could freely buy Cannabis from local traders. It seems that early Portuguese settlers may have assisted its rise to fame by transporting it to the New World; the Angolan slaves uprooted and transported to the plantations in this time may also have taken covert supplies with them. It is highly possible that many of the famous Red strains of central and south America are in fact descended from the Angola Red."

 

[Water-]

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