Phylos Galaxy - Landrace discussion

[Dr.Young]

I dont even know what your talking about.... Just shared a quote.

 

[Mengsk]

It is still only a piece of evidence. The introduction of carbon dating for fossils hasn't resolved a clear picture of history. Just because a tool exists, it doesn't mean it will tell you everything.

If there is a little cloud of mystery you might think the genetic computer is omnipotent. But it is only showing what samples came from where. In my humble opinion this does not change all of the cannabis samples not submitted, hundreds and thousands of years before.

As cool as it is, also important to recognize it as a reading or library instrument with limited data, only beginning to learn what you don't know etc.

 

[Water-]

It is still only a piece of evidence. The introduction of carbon dating for fossils hasn't resolved a clear picture of history. Just because a tool exists, it doesn't mean it will tell you everything.

If there is a little cloud of mystery you might think the genetic computer is omnipotent. But it is only showing what samples came from where. In my humble opinion this does not change all of the cannabis samples not submitted, hundreds and thousands of years before.

As cool as it is, also important to recognize it as a reading or library instrument with limited data, only beginning to learn what you don't know etc.

No one is talking about fossils.

This is a thread about Phylos and genetic research.

I am talking about genetic Alleles that are found in the samples tested in a specific research paper that I have cited.

The scientific process allows for new information to change theories.

This is new information and that is why it is being discussed.

We all know that it just the begining of genetic research into Cannabis and alot of new information that will come in the future will alter current hypothesis.

Science is constantly improving our understanding of the past and I think new information is worth considering.

 

[Elmer Bud]

That map is a poor example. It shows Human migration not plant migration.
There was no hemp in Polynesia.

The research paper does not point in that direction or you would find the specific African Alleles in most South American varieties.

The paper is sort of clear on that point.

They did not find the African Alleles outside of Africa beyond one sample. One sample does not prove anything other than there was at least one instance of transport.

Phylos shows a direct connection to South East Asia in Colombian varieties.

The Pacific Trade winds are called so because it carried ships from the Spanish colonies to South East Asia.
That is one likely source for the diaspora to south america


African herb has very different effects to South American herb in my experience.

1979 time magazine article on colombia
https://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...2309-1,00.html

I have to say this is a pretty interesting well written and well sourced article. The most interesting part to me was where they talked of the highland gold strain blue sky blonde which was bred from thai genetics imported in 1977. This makes me wonder if some of the more extreme highland colombians actually have heavy thai background. It makes you wish you were a pilot in 1977.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=799845&postcount=1

 

[mexcurandero420]

I've seen those quotes several time before but I've never seen a reference or source.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2896696&postcount=1

 

[Elmer Bud]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2896696&postcount=1

 

[OldCoolSativa]

http://www.scielo.org.co/scielo.php?pid=S0121-47722007000200008&script=sci_arttext

 

[OldCoolSativa]

There's some great info in the punto rojo thread on the CBG club forum. I had google translate it for me. Here's a fascinating bit on the importation of Thai genetics to Colombia, and it even dates that event at 1977, as reported by Time Magazine.

Magazine "Time" of January 27, 1979 https://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html


A Colombian who produces marijuana receives approximately one percent of the real value of his crop (that is, about six dollars per pound), but this is five or six times better than harvesting coffee, corn or cotton. Even though the government has begun to take steps of control (it has burned more than 2,000 tons of marijuana since last fall), it is not inclined to be too rigid with the farmers José Miguel Garavito, the head of operations of the anti-drug unit. -Droga of the Procurator General, explains: "It is difficult to blame a farmer who sows corn and earns a few pesos and then goes to the marijuana when he sees that his neighbors, who cultivate it, work the same as him and earn much more. The traffickers come, they give him the seeds and then they return to receive the harvest. "

There are many varieties. The "tasters" report that although the "Santa Marta Gold" is still the most famous of the Colombian production, the Arhuaco natives are producing in higher areas an even more powerful variety: "la Mona", whose leaf is so pale looking bleached. The Blue Sky hills produce another golden bush known as "The Blue Sky Bream", which is the hybrid product of a derivation achieved with seeds crossed two years before with Thailanders. To the low and arid lands of La Guajira, which are irrigated and are cultivated with tractors, produce a good quality grass. In six months the intense sun makes the plants rise 45 centimeters and allows them to develop a powerful resin. The new crop area that is emerging is the Eastern Plains, on the edge of the Amazon rainforest, where pruning has improved the original green cannabis.

Samples of all these varieties can be obtained in the Bogota drug market, behind the Hilton Hotel. One of the traffickers, who identified himself only as Ricardo, shows a Red Hashis de los Llanos ....

 

[Water-]

Interestingly Red Hash was a Lebanese thing too.

great info guys!

I was unable to access the Time link.

do I have to do something to make it work?

 

[mexcurandero420]

Both links from Oldcoolsativa are dead, but great article from the Time magazine.

 

[Elmer Bud]

among Westerners there's an Orientalist assumption that

1. Cannabis has strong and ancient links to Brahminism (so-called Hinduism) and Buddhism

2. Cannabis culture is always ancient

Both assumptions are wrong

Cannabis has little at all to do with Brahminism; the whole 'Soma is cannabis' thing is bollocks; all the myths about Shiva and cannabis are very late creations in the scheme of things

As for Buddhism, that has next to no connection to cannabis use; it was likely a reaction against it in early days; what little involvement there is entails only very marginal use in Tantra

About the history in Indochina:

It's pretty clear that ganja cultivation and consumption in Indochina post-date the Khmer Empire. All the indications I see are that ganja smoking only became a common popular habit on the back of the spread of tobacco. That applies to the Coromandel and Malabar, plus all Southeast Asia

dhumrapana ?

 

[Elmer Bud]

ANTI-ASTHMA CIGARETTES:

http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap7/CGrimault.htm
Preparation # 5: Indian Cigarettes of Grimault (Dr. Ph. Chapelle)
Government: Siam
Notification: C.L.302.1930.III. Annex I
Formula:
Belladonna leaves - 0.962 gm
Cannabis indica extract - 0.0005 gm.
Nitrate of potash - 0.033 gm

Reefer Madness ! Bella fcking Donna .

 

[Roms]

It all fits pretty well in what has been speculated. Austronesian migrations from SE Asia to Madagascar and East Africa, Indian trade routes after that. Introduction of African cannabis strains to South America during and after colonial times.View Image

That map is a poor example. It shows Human migration not plant migration.
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"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (M. Jouvet)

There was no hemp in Polynesia.

In melanesia the Kanak people probably know the cannabis since centuries and not only since the 50s like the white man thinks about. Btw some tests show a Mexican origin in Nouvelle Calédonie lol funny how the thing could be back 2000 years after...

Malagasy pollen found 2200 years BP "before present".
https://books.google.fr/books?id=V-c_BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=pollen+cannabis+madagascar&source=bl&ots=n5Rpj2-DF1&sig=KbCR9-LKd41oZsktdsS--051ASU&hl=fr&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=pollen%20cannabis%20madagascar&f=false


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7051874&postcount=51

 

[Water-]

"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (M. Jouvet)
View Image



In melanesia the Kanak people probably know the cannabis since centuries and not only since the 50s like the white man thinks about. Btw some tests show a Mexican origin in Nouvelle Calédonie lol funny how the thing could be back 2000 years after... View Image

Malagasy pollen found 2200 years BP "before present".
https://books.google.fr/books?id=V-c_BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=pollen+cannabis+madagascar&source=bl&ots=n5Rpj2-DF1&sig=KbCR9-LKd41oZsktdsS--051ASU&hl=fr&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=pollen%20cannabis%20madagascar&f=false


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7051874&postcount=51

"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (M. Jouvet)

funny you qouted that, i was going to amend what i wrote earlier and add that!

I reread the paper I was reffering to and it only tested a few South American varities so that African herb from west africa could be very much in the gene pool and just not fully recogonized yet due to poor sampling.

The Austranesian speaking people originated in Taiwan a few thousand years ago, so they knew of Hemp at one time for sure.
And the ones that migrated to Madagscar traveled through south east asia were hemp most likely was known as well.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day Ngakpa

I have been doing some study re Hindu religion .
Seems there are cannabis origin stories within . Why did you go on that rant about Hindus not embracing cannabis ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ngakpa]

G `day Ngakpa

I have been doing some study re Hindu religion .
Seems there are cannabis origin stories within . Why did you go on that rant about Hindus not embracing cannabis ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

I don't know if you've just misunderstood my post or you're intentionally twisting it, but either way you're misrepresenting what I said

what I said was that the myths about Shiva and cannabis are very recent in the Indian scheme of things, ie most originated only in the last couple of hundreds of years or so

Westerners tend to fixate on Hinduism, when Islamic cannabis culture has played a much bigger role in Indian cannabis than most outsiders realise

about Phylos:

cannabis was domesticated in many different places at many different times

the diversity of cannabis is fundamentally a result of selection by humans

just those two facts alone should be enough to see that Phylos is up against major obstacles, never mind whether - for related reasons - this genetic approach is even applicable to a plant like cannabis

side note:

I notice you threw the well-intentioned comment another poster made about your mental health back in their face. Fwiw, I'd second what they said - there's a pattern of behaviour in your posts that strongly suggests your mental health isn't good and that you should not be using cannabis. Do yourself a favour, give that some thought

 

[paulo73]

It´s sad to watch an interesting thread being hijacked by frail egos. Please guys stick to the point and stop the BS, we are all grown ups in here.

"There's a pattern of behaviour in your posts that strongly suggests your mental health isn't good and that you should not be using cannabis. Do yourself a favour, give that some thought."

If you read too much into it the above piece of advice serves every user of this and other
forums.

I wish you all a great festive season.

 

[Water-]

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[superx]

G `day Ngakpa

I have been doing some study re Hindu religion .
Seems there are cannabis origin stories within . Why did you go on that rant about Hindus not embracing cannabis ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Your absolutely obsessed with Ngakpa, get the fuck over yourself...

Happy Christmas...

 

[mexcurandero420]

ngakpa

"Westerners tend to fixate on Hinduism, when Islamic cannabis culture has played a much bigger role in Indian cannabis than most outsiders realise"

I am not denying what you said is true or not but I am confused by this statemnet.

How do you mean that Islam had a greater influence on the use of Cannabis in the Indian subcontinent than people realise.

I know that Cannabis use had been firmly established in the culture for thousands of years, since at least the Vedic times.

What aspects did Islam bring to Indias cultural use of Cannabis?

I ask you not for the purpose of debate but to learn.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1931-0846.2014.12038.x&ved=2ahUKEwieqIPYobPfAhWDL1AKHZxGASsQFjAQegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw1VHATtVSp6K3lChAcAfKhA