Philips 315w CDM Elite (CMH)

[Gloomshade]

..... That didn't work...its a youtube video...ima try again.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n6VZTMf04

 

[Hottish]

Since AdvancedTechLighting isn't going to respond to me emails I automatically win my dispute tomorrow.

I was looking at either the Philips 315w Argo 930 or the Phillips MasterColor CDM Elite 315W ED37(the one ATL offers )

Which one would you suggest for being using for Veg and Bloom?

http://www.horticulturesource.com/philips-philips-mastercolor-cdm-lamp-315-w-argo-p-12-cs--p13536/

I will be ordering the ballast and socket here:

http://depotlighting.com/iztmh210315rlfm-p-6976.html
and
http://depotlighting.com/k577a-pgz18-base-p-8038.html

Is the PGZ18 base all I need? Assuming I go with the argo. Is there anything else I would need(I have the up/down transformer)? Reason I ask is im having all this shipped to Canada so if I forget to order something or order the wrong part it would be very expensive to fix it.

Is anyone getting replies from Tom @ ATL nowadays or he still MIA

 

[HorseBadoritiz]

I got a bulb from Tom a couple of weeks ago, and I'm planning on getting 2 more 315 kits ordered before the end of the month... he does have some health issues, and it takes a while to get things sometimes... but he's always come through for me.

 

[xekki]

Is anyone getting replies from Tom @ ATL nowadays or he still MIA

https://youtu.be/WFUqPQBWc9E
best wishes tom

 

[Beta Test Team]

If I were trying to buy something from ATL, after reading so many complaints about poor customer service (never returning calls or emails, slow shipping, etc.) for like a year or more now, I would give up on him. Seems like a great opportunity for someone to pick up his slack with their own business.

 

[Ericos]

The other distributors of the ballast work out pretty good like ballast depot but i get my bulbs locally.

Was finishing up some ice water hash from the trim of the plants under the 315s. Worked out well, the is from a 90micron under the work bag of a 220micron. Still damn blond!

 

[Ericos]

This was a 70micron screening. Very happy with the blonde highlight.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

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[lazi]

Bumblebees??

Friend just called. He is running a 600w hps in a parabolic and a 630w D-Pap in 2 4x4 open modules. Seeds started under hps, the D-Pap got added about 12 days ago when they were big enough to need 2 modules.

He told me that as well as there being a night and day difference in favour of the 630w, it is also a magnet for bumblebees! He has found about 7 in the last week. They bounce off the bulbs a few times, get stunned, recover, then have another go and eventually end up drowned in the run off tray. They have no interest in the 600w hps.

I've been reading lots about these 315w lights in the last month or two and have come across nothing like this. lol

 

[Hottish]

ATL MIA

ATL MIA

https://youtu.be/WFUqPQBWc9E
best wishes tom

Emails unanswered from last weekend , I will resend now to see if you now reply , ? please !

 

[vitamingreeninc]

So has anyone done an actual Par Meter test of the Sun System? I have the 315w version but I'm curious as to what distance above the Canopys y'all are at and how close is too close of I can adequately cool it? Thanks!

 

[Levi Norwood]

I'm building a new flowering cab (36"w X 24"d X 60"h) and looking for advice on what light to use.

I am planning on using the s&p td-100xs 4"/5" silent inline fan for ventilation. During the summer ambient temps in my home can reach near 80f (100f+ outside regularly). Needless to say, temperature is my primary obstacle in running a successful cab.

I am not so much concerned with overall final weight (read: quantity) as I am with quality of the buds that I get (density & potency taking priority).

I usually grow Dr.Bud style sog, clones go straight into flowering after rooting at 2"-5".

Money is not necessarily an issue with this build, but I would like to get the best bang for my buck where possible.

I've read this entire thread as well as the past year or so of the CMH thread, but was hoping to get some info specific to my setup.

I am strongly considering ordering the kit from ATL (I am aware of the issues and I'm okay with that risk), and then purchasing a reflecter/cooltube/vented hood and transformer to run on 120v.

So for my questions...

1. Would the 315 run too hot for that size cab/ventilation? If so, would a simple hood be okay with open ventilation, or would I need a direct-vented hood to control temps?

2. Are there any cooltube setups that can be relatively easily used with that ATL kit?

3. If the 315 is going to be too hot, would the 210 be enough light to get dense nugs?

4. Knowing my priorities (dense, potent nugs), cab dimensions and that money is not a huge concern; is there anything DIFFERENT that you would recommend over this setup for flowering? PLL, CFL, 250HPS, LED... PS I am not looking to do a ton of work on a DIY LED setup, so prefab recommendations would be preferred.

Thank you in advance for any/all feedback you're able to provide.

 

[LargePrime]

So for my questions...

1. Would the 315 run too hot for that size cab/ventilation? If so, would a simple hood be okay with open ventilation, or would I need a direct-vented hood to control temps?

Assuming a well ventilated cab, i think the 315 will be fine in a wing or open reflector. you could also change out the socket, or run a socket adapter in a standard air cooled and run it open and glass off, and switch to air cooled if you need to later.

2. Are there any cooltube setups that can be relatively easily used with that ATL kit?

Ask Tom?

3. If the 315 is going to be too hot, would the 210 be enough light to get dense nugs?

I'd air cool the 315 over going the 210 route.

4. Knowing my priorities (dense, potent nugs), cab dimensions and that money is not a huge concern; is there anything DIFFERENT that you would recommend over this setup for flowering? PLL, CFL, 250HPS, LED... PS I am not looking to do a ton of work on a DIY LED setup, so prefab recommendations would be preferred.

the 315 is a top tier light. If someone is gonna argue something is better its a up hill fight and you are quibbling over a few percent. The current problem with the 315 is that no one is making a decent reflector at a reasonable price.

Thank you in advance for any/all feedback you're able to provide.

Your welcome, but its free, and you get what you pay for.

 

[vitamingreeninc]

I'm building a new flowering cab (36"w X 24"d X 60"h) and looking for advice on what light to use.

I am planning on using the s&p td-100xs 4"/5" silent inline fan for ventilation. During the summer ambient temps in my home can reach near 80f (100f+ outside regularly). Needless to say, temperature is my primary obstacle in running a successful cab.

I am not so much concerned with overall final weight (read: quantity) as I am with quality of the buds that I get (density & potency taking priority).

I usually grow Dr.Bud style sog, clones go straight into flowering after rooting at 2"-5".

Money is not necessarily an issue with this build, but I would like to get the best bang for my buck where possible.

I've read this entire thread as well as the past year or so of the CMH thread, but was hoping to get some info specific to my setup.

I am strongly considering ordering the kit from ATL (I am aware of the issues and I'm okay with that risk), and then purchasing a reflecter/cooltube/vented hood and transformer to run on 120v.

So for my questions...

1. Would the 315 run too hot for that size cab/ventilation? If so, would a simple hood be okay with open ventilation, or would I need a direct-vented hood to control temps?

2. Are there any cooltube setups that can be relatively easily used with that ATL kit?

3. If the 315 is going to be too hot, would the 210 be enough light to get dense nugs?

4. Knowing my priorities (dense, potent nugs), cab dimensions and that money is not a huge concern; is there anything DIFFERENT that you would recommend over this setup for flowering? PLL, CFL, 250HPS, LED... PS I am not looking to do a ton of work on a DIY LED setup, so prefab recommendations would be preferred.

Thank you in advance for any/all feedback you're able to provide.

With a SOG like that, you don't need much penetration at all...I would honestly go with cheap LEDs...the 3w ones. That's always been the problem with LeD is that people try to use 3w like its HPS but it's not going to penetrate that deep. Now if you already have a particular style of growing like you do, it's easier to plan for...I would def go get a couple of Mars Hydro Panels for a SOG grower

 

[Gloomshade]

So has anyone done an actual Par Meter test of the Sun System? I have the 315w version but I'm curious as to what distance above the Canopys y'all are at and how close is too close of I can adequately cool it? Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n6VZTMf04

Monster garden par tested it at various heights over a 3x3 and 4x4 too I think, as a comparison to a plasma light...the LEC killed it.

 

[Beta Test Team]

What's with the term "LEC"? Where did that come from? Is that just something SunSystem made up? As it's not a term found anywhere but by Cannabis growers.

I think it's not a good term, seems like a silly marketing ploy, and it's not accurate anyway. They should just use CMH.

 

[Gloomshade]

What's with the term "LEC"? Where did that come from? Is that just something SunSystem made up? As it's not a term found anywhere but by Cannabis growers.

I think it's not a good term, seems like a silly marketing ploy, and it's not accurate anyway. They should just use CMH.

*shrug* Light Emitting Ceramic... I don't think its inaccurate as such...It has added to some confusion though. Probably taken along the same lines as Light Emitting Plasma... I've seen quite a few reviews and stuff where they call the 315 a plasma light...Kinda makes me cringe.

Different name to make the 315s stand out from the older versions of CMH possibly... Is there much of a difference between the 315s and the older version CMHs? Like how would a 315w compare to a 400w mag?

 

[Beta Test Team]

I totally agree it confuses the topic, and that seems all too common in the Cannabis world: terms used incorrectly in this (formally) very insular industry, which when it was so insular created its own language of sorts. But now it's not so insular those incorrect terms (like light, "PPF," and "strain") cause confusion when one expects terms to be used correctly - or not at all in terms of 'stain' - and makes companies look foolish, like Sun Systems (and Gavita, regarding PPF).

A few things about "LEC" that are inaccurate, and why LEC should not be used:

- "Light" is defined as visible radiation, which generally is from 380 nm toabout 760-780 nm; the term light is used in photometry (regarding human sight), not radiometry (regarding plant use of photons). In the case of CMH, they emit radiation below 380 nm and above 780 nm, therefore they're not really "light emitting ceramic," they're "radiation emitting ceramic." Granted, lots of scientists mess this issue up as well (like how Philips and Gavita messes up by using 'PPF' they way they do in relation to plant use of radiation). When referring to photons for plants, 'radiation' should always be used over 'light,' simply to cause less confusion (even though 'light' isn't incorrect when dealing only within 380 to about 780 nm waveband).

- "Light emitting ceramic" to me makes it sound like it's a piece of ceramic that's being heated up to emit radiation (like black body and Kelvin), not like it's a lamp with glass, etc. To me, and this is just personal opinion, it's not accurate in what it makes one imagine in their mind. But this is much less of an issue than the use of the term 'light,' which is just wrong.

- "LEP" is also wrong for the same reason "LEC" is wrong, because plasma lamps emit radiation below 380 nm and above 780 nm. Also, it's an equally silly marketing gimmick to call a plasma luminaire "LEP," when simply using "plasma" is fine. No other horticultural industry uses "LEP" or "LEC" that I'm aware of, and rightly so, because it's wrong (inaccurate) and silly.


"Radiometric quantities and units used in photobiology and photochemistry: Recommendations of the Commission Internationale de L'Eclairage (International Commission on Illumination)"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17115802

"Principles of Radiation Measurement"
http://www.licor.com/env/pdf/light/Rad_Meas.pdf

"Definition of PPF in plant biology"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6865588&postcount=659

 

[Beta Test Team]

The current problem with the 315 is that no one is making a decent reflector at a reasonable price.

Do you know the pricing on the dPapillion and Double dPaillion? To me, those are good reflecors, but I have no idea how much they cost.

We're going to order a few dPaillion and Double dPaillion and carry out radiometric testing (with our quantum sensors), as well as compare grow with Greenbeams (we have 12 GB currently).

I think the Double dPapillion may be a really good option, but only testing will tell. We hope to get this going in the next few months, but first we have to get the GB installed and running (just waiting to find a good location now I'm in OR).

 

[Avinash.miles]

What's with the term "LEC"? Where did that come from? Is that just something SunSystem made up? As it's not a term found anywhere but by Cannabis growers.

I think it's not a good term, seems like a silly marketing ploy, and it's not accurate anyway. They should just use CMH.

agreeed, makes it seem more like an LED which people associate with "new" and "efficient" rather than a MH that everyone thinks they already know all about....
fucking marketing ploy