Pheno Hunting strategies

[oceangrownkush]

Let me ask this, and I'm not trying to be snide here I am just a firm believer in every breeding project having a solidified goal in mind; what are you thinking the males will add to the line that you couldn't do as good or better by simply selecting females from your seed stock and making s1 and fem hybrids from there?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Let me ask this, and I'm not trying to be snide here I am just a firm believer in every breeding project having a solidified goal in mind; what are you thinking the males will add to the line that you couldn't do as good or better by simply selecting females from your seed stock and making s1 and fem hybrids from there?

My honest answer is I don't know yet. Guess we can add making s1's to list of projects lol.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Let me ask this, and I'm not trying to be snide here I am just a firm believer in every breeding project having a solidified goal in mind; what are you thinking the males will add to the line that you couldn't do as good or better by simply selecting females from your seed stock and making s1 and fem hybrids from there?

Ive read a lot of threads here on the subject. Tom hill seems to be one of the leaders of that train of thought. It seems to have merit, but Im one of those see it for urself types. But any info is welcome.

 

[oceangrownkush]

Click the my ic button to edit your sig bro

And I think no matter which way you slice it you'll end up making better hybrids/plants if you go with reversing females for pollen vs male selection.. That make might look/smell awesome but at the end of the day there's just no way to eyeball male selection.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Click the my ic button to edit your sig bro

And I think no matter which way you slice it you'll end up making better hybrids/plants if you go with reversing females for pollen vs male selection.. That make might look/smell awesome but at the end of the day there's just no way to eyeball male selection.

Thanks im guessing since im a new member I cant do it yet.

U might be right but either way don't u still have to test the offspring?

 

[stoney917]

Alot of ppl knockin males.... a great male is much more special then a girl.. neone can take a clone n s1 but find a stud that really stands out test him n then u got a fresh place to start ur line... back up ur studs never know who is the one till u pop the offspring. .. some of the best lines are lost cuz ppl aint keep the pops around. ..

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Alot of ppl knockin males.... a great male is much more special then a girl.. neone can take a clone n s1 but find a stud that really stands out test him n then u got a fresh place to start ur line... back up ur studs never know who is the one till u pop the offspring. .. some of the best lines are lost cuz ppl aint keep the pops around. ..

Thanks stoney, males have been cloned. going to flower them out and see which ones I want to keep. Maybe even smoke me a little male, but mainly make my selection of traits I can see that I want. Then its off to testing off spring to see if the male does what I want.

How many offspring would I have to run to see if the male is what I want? 20 be enough maybe 40?

 

[stoney917]

It all depends on ur time me i pop 5-10 if nothin good on to the next... its a great feeling when u pop 5 beans n end up with 3-4 insane ladies. U know u took a step in the right direction. If nuthin good comes from a 10pk its best to move on to another stud... grow out larger numbers for the 2nd gen... first just see if its worth ur time... things can be missed this way but it saves time imo...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

It all depends on ur time me i pop 5-10 if nothin good on to the next... its a great feeling when u pop 5 beans n end up with 3-4 insane ladies. U know u took a step in the right direction. If nuthin good comes from a 10pk its best to move on to another stud... grow out larger numbers for the 2nd gen... first just see if its worth ur time... things can be missed this way but it saves time imo...

So 10 is enough to get an idea huh? Then if they look good run another batch for a follow up test?

 

[SnowCreature]

12/12 from seed works out perfect for taking clones.
If you top as soon as you can get a clone it shows sex like a week later and you end up with a more manageable sized plant than overvegging a seed run

 

[Miraculous Meds]

12/12 from seed works out perfect for taking clones.
If you top as soon as you can get a clone

What do u mean here?
as soon as u can take a clone off the seeds?

 

[stoney917]

Yes thats what ya do.... as soon as u can get a nice cut or2 takem n flip... or since u 12/12 just takem....

As far as poppin 10 , imo if u dont see any promise in a 10pk they aren't worthy to be released to public or depending on u to continue working it....... u should get atleast one plant close to what ur goal was... if u get 10 shitty plants ... u can decide wether or not to pop more.... or move on...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Yes thats what ya do.... as soon as u can get a nice cut or2 takem n flip... or since u 12/12 just takem....

As far as poppin 10 , imo if u dont see any promise in a 10pk they aren't worthy to be released to public or depending on u to continue working it....... u should get atleast one plant close to what ur goal was... if u get 10 shitty plants ... u can decide wether or not to pop more.... or move on...

Got it, thanks. I let these damn things get to 18", so I just cut em down to 6 to 8" and got clones off everything. Sucks cause some have laterals that will turn into tops in a week but others have tiny laterals that prob wont turn into tops for a couple weeks.

So Im debating starting flowering the ones with bigger laterals in a couple days and waiting on the ones with no branching for a couple weeks.

I really want to run these at the same time, but the ones I topped with no branching I think would only produce a couple grams... This is why I didn't want to clone from the top. What a pain in the ass. It prob be a lot easier if I was running one strain instead of 8.

 

[moses wellfleet]

I run a clone more than 10 times before doing selections, root space, size of plant, toppping, etc.

You have to find the ideal for that particular individual to allow it to shine.

Throw it out after one run and you could be killing the star of the show!

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Holy shit, It would take 2 years to make a selection that way. I certainly think there is merit in running the better ones twice, but I got to much I want to do to wait that long. Respect man that is a true test. lol

 

[moses wellfleet]

Holy shit, It would take 2 years to make a selection that way. I certainly think there is merit in running the better ones twice, but I got to much I want to do to wait that long. Respect man that is a true test. lol

Yep it's time consuming, if I hadn't done it that way, I wouldn't have the stable of keepers I have today!!!

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Yep it's time consuming, if I hadn't done it that way, I wouldn't have the stable of keepers I have today!!!

So doing it this way, Are u only running a few seeds at a time? I Plan on going thru a good amount of seed, so I couldn't keep all phenos and run that many times, maybe a couple of the leaders.

 

[stoney917]

Shit if it cant be dialed by the 3rd run u need to move on... havin 10 runs multiple phenos of same strain seems crazy... but everyone does shit differently n if u got the time space money n patience more power to ya.. first run i look for potential, 2nd run for yield n try n have them close to dialed from what i seen on the firts rd... 3rd run i decide if its stayin ..

 

[moses wellfleet]

You can only do a few beans at a time, obviously I am talking indoors here!

For example I know a guy who ran 2 packs sour bubble from BOG. He eventually threw them out, calling piss poor yield, even though the quality was top draw!

Then I see a thread on here where this guy is getting bomb yields from his sour bubble. The reason: huge root space, very large containers!

So I decide to run a cut many times adjusting parameters every time. In my case I am willing to change my grow style to suit the plant in the quest for primo quality!

If you have decided on one particular style and your ideal phenotype needs to fit in, then you probably can get away with fewer runs before you do your selections!

But it is amazing how the same plant can vary given different conditions!

 

[Miraculous Meds]

You can only do a few beans at a time, obviously I am talking indoors here!

For example I know a guy who ran 2 packs sour bubble from BOG. He eventually threw them out, calling piss poor yield, even though the quality was top draw!

Then I see a thread on here where this guy is getting bomb yields from his sour bubble. The reason: huge root space, very large containers!

So I decide to run a cut many times adjusting parameters every time. In my case I am willing to change my grow style to suit the plant in the quest for primo quality!

If you have decided on one particular style and your ideal phenotype needs to fit in, then you probably can get away with fewer runs before you do your selections!

But it is amazing how the same plant can vary given different conditions!

Ok, I understand more clearly what ur speaking to. Thanks for spending the time explaining. Yeah I want my elites to behave in the ballpark of what my style can give them. Since I want variety, I have to give a little and be a little bland or consistently equal in my treatment of most of my variety.