Pentagon Shooter: A Grower Protesting Government's Marijuana Laws!

[SpasticGramps]

Give me a break. The Government has plenty of room to improve, but it seems that everyone has forgotten how privileged they are to live in such a country, no matter how silly their prohibition laws are.

Do you ever wonder why it seems no matter who gets voted in the fundamental premise of the government never changes?

Ever wonder why it looks like one party is running the show?

Because it's the Fed silly. They finance whatever puppet they want in the White House.

Ever wonder why Obama can't deliver on any of his promises? Because he's not in charge. President's act as puppets to take the burnt of America's anger. They get voted out, new administration comes in and nothing changes.

Odd is it not? Maybe just another bizarre coincidence or maybe the reason why it has looked like a one party dog and pony show for so long is because we are governed by the FED PARTY.

 

[ChronJohn]

So gramps, does our vote count for something or not? Your responses seem mixed and confusing.

Do you ever wonder why it seems no matter who gets voted in the fundamental premise of the government never changes

The founders gave us our vote it still means something.

 

[SpasticGramps]

So gramps, does our vote count for something or not? Your responses seem mixed and confusing.

Well, to be perfectly honest I was just trying to steer the discussion away from a "shoot em' up" discussion with that comment.

In all honestly, no your vote doesn't mean shit really. Bush bought Florida back in '04 didn't he?

The media made Obama in a demi-god that could save the world did they not? Yet he is acting just like Bush.

The media controls perception and is run by the Military Industrial Complex via the Fed.

Voter apathy to the real issues and media indoctrination makes any sense of real democracy a joke.

The free flow of information must exist for freedom to exist. It does not now, which is why our freedoms are quickly disappearing.

 

[nnep]

I agree with you on a few of your points SpasticGramps, don't get me wrong. I just think that you tend to go a bit off the deep end with the conspiracy theories is all.

 

[SpasticGramps]

You lost the civil war quite some times ago, haven't you had plenty of time to exact your revenge on the yanks?

This isn't a north or south issue lol. C'mon man.

United we stand divided we fall.

Divide and conquer is a fundamental philosophy of war. Why is the media so polarizing these days? Why do they teach us to hate each other based on party talking points?

 

[hkush]

Bush bought Florida back in '04 didn't he?

No, Gore tried buying it back in '00 though. He didn't succeed. He then went on to perpetrate the largest and most destructive marxist hoax in history. So probably a good thing he didn't manage to steal the election and gain any real power.

On the shooter, he's a national hero IMO. We need more federal officials genuinely fearing for their life. Every day, all day, forever.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[SpasticGramps]

I agree with you on a few of your points SpasticGramps, don't get me wrong. I just think that you tend to go a bit off the deep end with the conspiracy theories is all.

Oh I know I sound like a total nutjob right now. I'm not surprised lol.

That is too be expected in times of such political turmoil.

My views are based on my own due diligence and my "insider" knowledge, if you will, of how this game works at the highest levels.

Believe me, you are looked at as statistics, numbers, and pawns in an international game. There is a reason why you feel so disconnected from government. That is a natural instinctive feeling people get when living under tyrannical regimes.

You feel that no matter what you say or who you vote for you get the same government. We tend to think the government is stupid, but they are not lmao, they know exactly what they are doing.

It just looks dumb to us because we are getting fucked, but they are well aware that they are fucking us.

 

[bombadil.360]

The free flow of information must exist for freedom to exist. It does not now, which is why our freedoms are quickly disappearing.

information flows freely, all you read to reach the conclusions to which you are at now was not information that did not flow freely...

you had access to it and a lot of people have access nowdays to a lot of information.

no one makes you apathetic or stupid or ignorant but yourself, no one is born lazy, laziness is made by oneself alone.

it seems to me that advocating a violent solution to a problem that was begotten out of the silliness of oneself, for allowing the 'tricknology' of the current political ruling machine world wide to take trick you, is pretty irresponsible, to put it mildly.

not saying you advocate it personally, just putting it out there.

if people really wanted a better world, they would better themselves first... but that does not happen, just look at how many people entertain themselves, how they pass their time...

this is what people choose, not what they are forcefully fed. no one forces America to spend so much money, time and energy on "artists" like so many of today's mainstream "artists".

 

[nnep]

I definitely respect you for arguing with me civilly though! That's more than most on this site can say

 

[bs0]

Using a gun to promote a fringe cause (legalization) is the fastest way to get your cause dismissed as a bunch of fucking idiots, and rightfully so.

All information on this fellow points to him being a complete psycho too.

NORML had the right shake of things in going after the medical angle. Its the only angle that will work prior to the current generation passing away.

 

[ChronJohn]

Well, to be perfectly honest I was just trying to steer the discussion away from a "shoot em' up" discussion with that comment.

In all honestly, no your vote doesn't mean shit really. Bush bought Florida back in '04 didn't he?

The media made Obama in a demi-god that could save the world did they not? Yet he is acting just like Bush.

The media controls perception and is run by the Military Industrial Complex via the Fed.

Voter apathy to the real issues and media indoctrination makes any sense of real democracy a joke.

The free flow of information must exist for freedom to exist. It does not now, which is why our freedoms are quickly disappearing.

I figured that was the case, I just wanted you to clarify before someone with more hostile intentions tried to call out the discrepancy.
You're on the right track, but it goes beyond the Fed. Peek behind the curtain, focus on the people behind the Fed. Bilderberg group and such. Of course knowledge of what goes on behind the curtains doesn't help us alter what goes on, but knowledge is power and at least we somewhat know what we'll be up against when the time comes.

I agree that this thread is very good, for its cathartic purpose. We are seeing a side of many of us that we rarely see. But we are all still merely individuals within a community. Like any other community, we shouldn't be judged by the opinions of a few. So for those who keep pandering about "people outside looking at us and seeing crazy potheads that are gonna go around shooting people"... get real. This is a discussion, it's all hypothetical situations which may or may not ever happen. We are more than potheads. We are lawyers, managers, doctors, scientists, hobbyists, retirees, newspaper delivery people.. we are not some clique of potheads. Our issues with the government go well beyond cannabis prohibition. So when that straw breaks the proverbial camel's back, it will not just be cannabis prohibition that causes us to bear our arms against the government. It will also be the robbery the gov't has committed against us through the income tax (and countless other absurd taxes), the murder they have committed against thousands of our fellow citizens through police and military violence here domestically, and the thousands of innocents killed abroad by the CIA, FBI, military etc using those bullshit tax dollars, the political prisoners arrested for non-violent offenses and thrown in jail amongst the lifers- rapists and murderers and generally bad people... goddamn I could go on forever. So no worries, we will be sure to keep cannabis prohibition low on the list of grievances when we finally snap.. just for all you pacifist wussies who don't have the balls to spill some blood for your freedom

 

[bombadil.360]

imo the whole 'bilderberg' 'illuminati' world rulers thesis seems like yet another scape-goat and total cop-out.

the world is what it is because each individual person's choices.

that is all folks.

old men with money may control the economy to some extent, but it cannot control your ability to lead a wholesome worthy life. they cannot even control you if you choose to sustain yourself through an alternative economy, such as trading etc...

old men with money may say what airs on tv, but it is you who chooses to watch it.

you make yourself stupid. not old men with money; old men with money may give you opportunities to make yourself stupid, but ultimately, you are responsible for it, not anyone else.

take some responsibility, become the change you want to see; don't just whine and use scape-goats to absolve yourselves from the issues within you.

 

[bs0]

just for all you pacifist wussies who don't have the balls to spill some blood for your freedom

/rant

It takes no guts to kill another person.

Balls?

It takes balls to overgrow the world when under these draconian laws. It takes balls to be peaceful in the face of militaristic threats. It takes balls to do what you know in your heart is fine and decent when the probable result of any snafu along the way is the loss of everything you have built for yourself.

I'm sick to death of this foxnews/teaparty bullshit start a revolution crap. Anyone who thinks that the conditions in their country/whatever are unsuitable GTFO and find someplace better. If you aren't willing to work towards a solution you do nothing but blow hot air. Threats of violence are nothing but low-level thuggary, and thats the place of a common criminal which we are not.

I've seen gigantic steps forward in our plight over the past 10 years. I've seen hard work of a lot of people really start to pay off. I see laws enacted in close to a third of the states in the US which are opening the doors to more. The path towards change is neither fast nor easy, and anyone who would have you believe differently is deceiving themselves and anyone else dumb enough to listen.

/endrant

 

[hkush]

I'm sick to death of this foxnews/teaparty bullshit start a revolution crap. Anyone who thinks that the conditions in their country/whatever are unsuitable GTFO and find someplace better. If you aren't willing to work towards a solution you do nothing but blow hot air. Threats of violence are nothing but low-level thuggary, and thats the place of a common criminal which we are not.

Good thing the founding father ignored the chattering classes who thought the king was just dandy. Hate to tell you but we are in a cold civil war with marxists pushing their agenda. Guns are an option now just as with the first tea partiers. The marxists need to learn (just as the king did) that when you try to loot and mooch at gunpoint, sometimes they shoot back and kill you. Today's tea partiers are a minority. As were the original revolutionaries.

The entire purpose of the second amendment is to allow citizens the ability to easily to kill government officials who threaten their freedom.

 

[SpasticGramps]

I definitely respect you for arguing with me civilly though! That's more than most on this site can say

I'm not taken aback by challenges to what I put forth. If anything I welcome counterpoints to ramblings to challenge my own logic because I certainly don't know everything. I just have my opinion.

As said above, this is all in the realm of the hypothetical. The last thing I want is for people to take what I say as "the truth."

It's up to each of us to challenge they way we look at the world because obviously the way we have been looking at it for the last few decades hasn't collectively worked out too well.

I don't think believing everything the tv and politicians have been telling us is really working out in our favor. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Something is fundamentally amiss and if we want to keep our country from continuing to morph into a totalitarian regime we better all start taking a hard honest look at our world view and why we think the way we do.

 

[bs0]

Sen. Mccain and Liberman introduced the: Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010[/b]

Important parts highlighted. BTW, this is by the book of how Nazi Germany and Hitler came to power.


Guess who is going to be the terrorist and belligerent's when this passes. YOU.

Interesting quote, it will never pass. This is a response to the 'miranda rights for terrorists' absurd argument that foxnews/republicanparty makes. Political rhetoric introduced into a situation it will never pass.

 

[mad librettist]

Good thing the founding father ignored the chattering classes who thought the king was just dandy.

BS.

which historian did you get that from? Insurgencies never ignore the masses. The founding brothers were not morons. Heard of Thomas Paine? Here is some of his excellent propaganda (meant for the chattering classes especially)

December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

And by the way, the state they created failed, and we had to start over with a constitution. They were going by trial and error like the rest of us, and prevailed due to the vastness of the ocean, British politics, unlimited space and resources, guns, germs, steel, assistance from another nation as a geopolitical ploy, determination, fear, courage, strategy, and most of all - luck.

The country created by the constitution also had an uncertain future. Until the civil war proved to the world it could sustain a prolonged and massive armed conflict.

Really I wonder where some of this bunk history comes from. Oh yeah - Bancroft.

 

[bs0]

Good thing the founding father ignored the chattering classes who thought the king was just dandy. Hate to tell you but we are in a cold civil war with marxists pushing their agenda. Guns are an option now just as with the first tea partiers. The marxists need to learn (just as the king did) that when you try to loot and mooch at gunpoint, sometimes they shoot back and kill you. Today's tea partiers are a minority. As were the original revolutionaries.

The entire purpose of the second amendment is to allow citizens the ability to easily to kill government officials who threaten their freedom.

You are comparing the original colonies to today?

Serious?

You're starting to convince me we need more gun control, which I used to be opposed to. The last thing we need is for people to start shooting people for having to pay tax.

Do people know how much roads costs? Maintenance? Libraries? Courts?

"Freedom" does not mean "every good and service I want from the government is free". No society is tax free.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The last thing we need is for people to start shooting people for having to pay tax.

That is historically the number one reason populations start shooting each other. Taxes are a form of slavery. They are necessary for governance, but when it becomes theft it is criminal.

And when the State becomes the criminal people will instinctively begin to act against the state because there are no laws to protect us anymore. We are about to get to that point.

BTW, the government doesn't spend any money on our infrastructure. It's completely falling apart. That's a fact.

Your money is being stolen and then some crumbs thrown down to the masses to keep them quite.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Political rhetoric introduced into a situation it will never pass.

I bet you were not banking on the Patriot Act not being renewed indefinitely by Obama either.