Diary PCBuds mini-grow

[f-e]

Practice seeds come from the pet shop. A good shop will have all the seeds and flakes in separate bins, like pick'n'mix for your birds specific tastes. So billy the budgie can have his hemp seed treat, without having to pick them out of the standard mix. Though you might have to settle for some pre-mixed in smaller shops.

I can't see any in Canada, though I know you grow fields of the stuff.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/28461289569...3g05R9roDJWe1iaJ|clp:2334524|tkp:BFBM9tC5195f
200g for 13cd. That should keep you going for a bit.

 

[PCBuds]

Practice seeds come from the pet shop. A good shop will have all the seeds and flakes in separate bins, like pick'n'mix for your birds specific tastes. So billy the budgie can have his hemp seed treat, without having to pick them out of the standard mix. Though you might have to settle for some pre-mixed in smaller shops.

I can't see any in Canada, though I know you grow fields of the stuff.

That's a good idea.

Would normal bird food mix have hemp seeds in it?
Then I can just grab a box at Walmart. I don't need 1000 seeds, and I can feed the remainder to the wild birds outside.

I guess I can read the labels and see if they mention hemp?
Meanwhile, I can surf around ebay and see what they have...

I assume that they would be viable seeds and not roasted or treated in some way?




Do you have any input on my closet plant?

Does it look like maybe N and Magnesium deficiency to you?

I think that I waited too long to get her to full strength nutes?

 

[exploziv]

Mg def sure, N def.. I don't see it. But colours may be a bit off in pics so you might see it better.

 

[PCBuds]

Mg def sure, N def.. I don't see it. But colours may be a bit off in pics so you might see it better.

OK, thanks.

I just watered her with full strength nutes yesterday, so I will keep an eye on her.

I assume that being as the leaves don't appear damaged, that she will green up?
Or is that discoloration permanent now?

I could give her a pinch of epsom salts next watering...

 

[PCBuds]

Mg def sure, N def.. I don't see it. But colours may be a bit off in pics so you might see it better.

I don't have a very good idea of what the different deficiencies look like.
I was judging by the pictures in "The Complete Guide to Sick Plants".

https://www.icmag.com/forum/marijua...ete-guide-to-sick-plants-ph-and-pest-troubles



I assume that N deficiency is an overall, and even, yellowing and paleness, where as Magnesium is more blotchy and follows the veins??

I took a couple more pictures...

 

[f-e]

I'm good at environment, but deficiencies are hard work for me. Like many, I want a lab to answer that.

If it were N, the plant wouldn't let the top get so much lighter than the bottom leaves. N is very mobile, and will move out the bottom to the top, making the bottom lighter.
Mg is also mobile. In my observations, it will often move from the leaves in the middle of the plant, to growing tips. Though by the book, it should start at the bottom as it moves out to support the important top shoot.
Often the yellowing of bottom leaves is confused between the two. Both cause the leaf to lighten, but as they die back, the Mg plant holds on to some colour in the ribs, at the point of advancement. Once it's totally yellow, the Mg leaf is a bit brighter, close to the yellow/orange boarder. The N leaf tends to loose it's strength and withers. Often turning brown. Though either can, in the right environment.

This prevalence at the growing tip suggests an immobile element. If we see Mg like signs at the top, Fe is often the cause. I'm not so sure though. Fe is more the base of the leaf, not the tip. I think this lies in the smaller stuff.
https://www.icmag.com/picture.php?al...ctureid=83408 8
That is advanced zinc. Note it's immobile. Spread over a similar area of the leaf. It can do an entire leaf, or just the tips. But here it's somewhat like yours.
I have just been pointed towards zinc as an issue with mine. Though I see nothing like this, I see tips bending, while here there is non.
It's hard work this diagnosis stuff. I'm frankly crap at it.

 

[exploziv]

For sure that could be Zn as well. Have u checked that you nutrient has Mg, Zn and all the micros and macros in them? Ca and Mg are sometimes left out. Do they list % contained or just say they are present?

 

[PCBuds]

I checked my thread, and I gave my plant her first dose of ¼ strength nutes 8 days ago.
I saved a bit of the solution and gave it to her over the next couple of days and then nothing more until yesterday.

I tend to over water and over nute, so I was trying to restrain myself and LIFTA. lol

She really grew during the past 8 days and I should have increased the nutes and the waterings.


I'm thinking that she is deficient of probably everything. lol


This is the Maxigro that I'm using and I'm also using Sensical Calmag 4-0-0 with iron.

I will stay with the full strength nutes, including the Calmag and Potassium Silicate and just give her some time to recover.


This was my plant two days after I gave her ¼ strength nutes, and she looked a little nute burned.
That's kinda why I was hesitating to give her more and stronger nutes.

PS,.. f-e I think that plant that you linked to looks fricken cool !!

I know that it's a sick plant but those leaves are neat !!

 

[PCBuds]

This is a leaf from the first set...

And a leaf from the second set...

Those leaves look normal to me, so the problem is at the top with the newest growth looking the most affected.

 

[exploziv]

Basically, plenty of cal mag but no guarantee for Zn, even if zinc sulfate is listed as product source material.

 

[Sampas92]

Foliar her with epsom buds, if it is mg you should have the answer after the foliar, and i also think is Mg too, i dunno if anything else.
Also, i get those white fades that she have in her bigger fans when i think i give them too much light, even if i dont know what nutrient could help, but you are pushing your girl hard in that regard, i think i see a slight purple in the petiole? Well you like to push them hard with lights so

I dont know, iv read about it and remember seing a very good picture here on ic, dont remember the thread in how the different nutrients link to each other and how the girls feed on them, i guess would be logical to give a bigger ammount of the nutrient/s linked to MG until a healthier look? Like reverse engeneering?

Dunno buds, good luck bro

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

Basically, plenty of cal mag but no guarantee for Zn, even if zinc sulfate is listed as product source material.

I checked out the General Hydroponics website and found this...

So I checked out the aapfco website and found this about Maxibloom and Maxigro...

So, there's no mention of zinc, and it's left blank (not BDL or ND) so I dunno?

It's not a dangerous heavy metal, so maybe they didn't test for it?



I have been using the same nutrients for at least a couple of years now and my plants have turned out OK.

And, I had the same thing happen with my last plant when it looked deficient because I waited too long to increase the nutes.

I was supposed to remember to start nuting sooner with this plant, but I forgot. lol

So I think that she'll be fine.



As far as I understand it, both Mg and N are mobile but Zn isn't,.. so I figure if the affected leaves turn back to normal color, then it was probably a Mg deficiency, and if the discoloration stays, then it was Zn.

And if my plant never gets better and all future leaves are affected, then I have no zinc in my nutes.

 

[PCBuds]

Foliar her with epsom buds, if it is mg you should have the answer after the foliar, and i also think is Mg too, i dunno if anything else.

I've never done a foliar and it kinda makes me nervous.
I'm worried that I'll do a stupid beginner style overkill and spray her down with 5 gallons and 10 pounds of Epsom Salts. lol

But, just in case I try it, how much Epsom do I use? tsp per cup of water works best for me. (I don't want to weigh it.)

Also, i get those white fades that she have in her bigger fans when i think i give them too much light, even if i dont know what nutrient could help, but you are pushing your girl hard in that regard, i think i see a slight purple in the petiole? Well you like to push them hard with lights so

I am pushing it kinda hard but she is praying right now and never drooping.
I'm planning on turning up the lights but want to give her a couple of days to get used to having 6 hours of darkness.
I know that plants eat more when they have more light, so she is bound to be hungry.

I dont know, iv read about it and remember seing a very good picture here on ic, dont remember the thread in how the different nutrients link to each other and how the girls feed on them, i guess would be logical to give a bigger ammount of the nutrient/s linked to MG until a healthier look? Like reverse engeneering?

Dunno buds, good luck bro

Peace

I know that calcium and magnesium work hand in hand together and all the other nutes tie in to that as well.

I kinda believe that that plant just takes what she needs and leaves the rest behind, so as long as she has enough of everything, and not so much that you poison her, then she will figure it out on her own, then we don't even have to know what the hell is going on with her eating habits. lol

 

[PCBuds]

Foliar her with epsom buds,..

I found a recipe that said 1 tsp per liter, so I mixed some up with RO water.

It said to spray the underside of the leaves, so I gave her a good soaking.

How long should it take for me to notice any change?

 

[exploziv]

1 day at most for results. And I would go with half a teaspoon per liter, or maybe one that is leveled off to the margins at most.
But I do think you need a zinc products as well. Or maybe just zn. No ideea if you have a bit of mg def as well or a really bad zinc one.

 

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[PCBuds]

I removed the dome, turned up the lights, turned on the circulation fan, and fed her a liter of full strength nute solution in at the stalk.

I'm just going to leave her be and see what happens with the pale leaves.

I won't do anything about it unless she gets worse or I notice new growth looking the same.

She's going through a lot of changes right now, so she will probably show some signs of stress anyway.

 

[PCBuds]

I was thinking about my closet plant and realized that I was probably feeding her at the wrong PH.

I dug a hole in the planter and filled it with Seedling Starting Mix and perlite.

The Seedling Starting Mix is 70% Peet and so it probably counts as "soil" on the charts...

I had been feeding her at PH 6.0 and I checked the reservoir and it was at 6.0
I may have had locked out Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium and maybe other things?
So I drained the planter, made new solution and PH'ed it to 6.5...

I poured it in at the stalk to wash it through the roots and flush things through.

I think I'm on the right track.

I'll keep feeding her at 6.5 until the runoff starts climbing higher than that.

 

[goingrey]

Great find with those charts!

How are you supposed to provide plants with both manganese and magnesium? By fluctuating the pH?