Diary PCBuds mini-grow

[GanjaLion]

I wonder if your pH has been high. Making iron phosphate.

Just thinking out loud really.

Its root rot, pretty clearly

 

[PCBuds]

You really should try a proven clone so you could see how it turns out and compare to what it looks like under good conditions.

I don't think that I can grow a clone?
I can only grow Autoflowers and I don't think that you can clone an Autoflower?
My closet is full of light leaks and I don't want a tent.

I will be getting some agar

I'm thinking up something to make with it right now...

I'm looking around for different molds to use...

 

[PCBuds]

Its root rot, pretty clearly

She'll be fine...
She just had a rough start.

 

[aliceklar]

It turned cloudy as it hardened...





But, Holy Crap !!
Is that stuff ever cool!!

It bounces around like a rubber ball !!





I covered up some of it to keep it from drying out and one piece on top to see what happens and if it dries out ?




Now I'm going to get stoned and think up some kind of ridiculous experiment to try.

I'm picturing aquarium tubing going in and out of a cube filled with roots???

Maybe a transparent tubular tripod stand made out of gel standing in a big glass punch bowl or something.
The possibilities are endless !!

You guys need to try this !!
I propose a competition.

Remember, this is not a science project.
This is and art project.

We're building organic living root sculptures. Lol

I think the agar needs to be contained in something so it doesnt dry out (unless it was misted??? or the RH was kept high in a controlled environment? but then maybe mould...)

The seeds I planted in my first agar batch have 0% germination. I think I made the mix too dry//solid and too much agar to water. Also they were the most crappy bagseeds in my collection, so will need to try again with something that has better germination (and do a side by side in paper towel for baseline).

Did you boil the mix when you made it up PC? I think that helps to set it, as well as sterilising.

Will try again...

 

[PCBuds]

I woke up ½ hour before the lights turned off and she was already flaked out...

 

[PCBuds]

I think the agar needs to be contained in something so it doesnt dry out (unless it was misted??? or the RH was kept high in a controlled environment? but then maybe mould...)

Yeah, that's what I figure.
I want to see what happens to the ones I made before I commit a seed to it.

I don't know if you can start a seed in big block of agar?
I wonder about suffocating the seed? Or if oxygen can penatrate the block?

I'll try to research growing in agar to see what I find out.

Did you boil the mix when you made it up PC? I think that helps to set it, as well as sterilising.

Yes, I boiled the water in the microwave, added the agar, stirred it in and put it back in the microwave until it started boiling again.

Will try again...

You can reuse the piece you already made.
Just add some water to it and heat it up.

 

[PCBuds]

I found these pictures...

Some post mentions the potential lack of oxygen and how some plants, like swamp plants, can grow roots in a low oxygen environment.

I'm just going to try it and see what happens.

I've got roots growing in non-oxygenated water right now.

 

[aliceklar]

Yeah, that's what I figure.
I want to see what happens to the ones I made before I commit a seed to it.

Dude you should so make some seeds. You have such an experimental attitude, you would love it. Just pop a few regs of something nice to get a male, and dust a single lower bud. You can easily get +100 seeds from one small bud. Be warned tho - its addictive! Then you can mess around with as many experimental techniques as you want without wasting any expensive genetics.

I don't know if you can start a seed in big block of agar?
I wonder about suffocating the seed? Or if oxygen can penatrate the block?

I'll try to research growing in agar to see what I find out.

Yes, I boiled the water in the microwave, added the agar, stirred it in and put it back in the microwave until it started boiling again.

You can reuse the piece you already made.
Just add some water to it and heat it up.

Hadnt realised you could reuse it! Nice one. Will give that a go.

 

[f-e]

This batch turned out just about perfect !! Maybe a pinch less agar would be best?

I'm really not sure what you are trying to make here. Do you have the principles of cloning confused?

lol

 

[f-e]

Remember im a noob and im here to learn from someone that knows more than me so, heating a space by radiation for example an regular heater, affects the plants diferenctly than heating the air with the minimal radiation possible? Will the outcome be the same with same leds without ir for example?
What do you think?

Also, do you find that folks that have ir their led lights get by easier than the ones without, or looks the same thing and the ir leds somehow dont produce the same result?

For example, my temps get down to night temps 24c to 22c, rh also from 55 to 50, 2 hours before lights out, would that contribute to them droop?i ask because mines droop like you know, but i dont know when they start to droop, in the day off ill keep an eye on them one hour before and after the temps switch.

Peace

Lets say you are out for a walk. It's mid summer. The mercury is showing 28c. The weather forecast says that in the shade, it will be 28c. This is because the air at 28 will heat everything it touches to 28.
In the sun, you feel it's heat radiation. It's passing through the air without effecting it, yet has heated the sand enough to melt your reeboks. The suns heat has radiated through the vacuum of space, to cook the ground so much, that the air touching the ground started to heat up.

Applying this to plants outside, They will be warmed by the 28c air, and also by the IR from the sun. They will sweat as much as needed to not reach reebok melting temperatures. Driven by both heat inputs. Generally, the plants good enough at this to stay below even the 28c. It really is a lot like us. Close enough to think of it the same way. An HID is like the sun when you stick your hand under it. The air might be 28, but that heat radiation (ir) heats anything it falls upon. For us, and the plants, we must sweat (transpire/transpiration) to stay cool. The more than IR beats down on us, the more we sweat, which drives the movements of salts enough to put white marks on t-shirts, and supply calcium to new growth.

LED's have a little IR, but it's just a token amount. You put your hand under, and there is no comparison to the sun or a HID. It's just not there at a level that warms things enough to increase transpiration.

I can't put my finger on it, but photosynthesis leads to opened stomata (the holes that let out water, and let co2 in) But high LED light causes collapse. Moisture appears to be leaving, but not being replaced. It's not just about the water though, or what gets carried in the water. I have recovered a droopy plant by lighting a candle. As it started to drop, it would be closing it's pores (stomata) limiting it's co2 availability. So I raised the co2 with the candle, to recover them. I did this multiple times, to prove it worked. This might actually mean that high LED lighting levels got photosynthesis going enough, that the collapse was co2 deficiency, not water loss. Which when you think about it, water loss with less heat is a bit odd. Though the lower water loss has certainly meant a high calcium level is needed in the feed, our droop isn't exactly like dehydration. It feels dry, but visually, it's not the right droop.
The physical inputs that seem to correct the droop, are RH, co2 and Ca. RH will stop the pores closing so much, and so increases co2. This isn't likely to cause a drastic increase of Ca uptake. Which as an immobile element, doesn't fit with the speed of drop and recovery. Transpiration and co2 are key, with pore size the big issue.

 

[PCBuds]

^^^ Good Answer !!

 

[PCBuds]

I'm really not sure what you are trying to make here. Do you have the principles of cloning confused?

lol

I was hoping that if I stacked them up and got stoned and stared at it, something creative would come to mind like doing this...

Only instead of using mashed potatoes, I used agar gel cubes. Lol



Then I figured "Beer Cups !!"...

Everybody grows plants in Solo cups.

So I did this...

And don't forget to use sterile equipment because nature is sterile, and so am I. Lol

 

[aliceklar]

I'm really not sure what you are trying to make here. Do you have the principles of cloning confused?

lol

Heh. Just a bit of fun I think PC wants to be able to see the roots growing without having to dig up the plant!

 

[PCBuds]

Heh. Just a bit of fun I think PC wants to be able to see the roots growing without having to dig up the plant!

Yeah,... and I don't know squat about cloning, but I did find out that some clone sellers ship their clone roots in agar gel.

 

[f-e]

What would happen if you were using an air stone while it set?
How is an aero/whispa bar made (there are uk candy bars, all chocolate, but full off bubbles)

Perhaps you should have a firm cup of jell, with softer core poured in afterwards.

 

[skmatzwonk]

I love Flake, though I know it was from Cadbury's

 

[PCBuds]

What would happen if you were using an air stone while it set?
How is an aero/whispa bar made (there are uk candy bars, all chocolate, but full off bubbles)

Perhaps you should have a firm cup of jell, with softer core poured in afterwards.

I would think that if the jell was full of bubbles, the roots would deplete the oxygen from the bubbles quickly?
They would be sealed bubbles.
The jell would float then too, which might be desirable?

I could make a "container" out jell and fill it with water and a bubbler?
The rooting seeding could be in a small cube of jell to "anchor" it to the bottom and they could grow into the water?



I figure that with what I've got now, I will grow the seedling until she has two full sets of leaves, then trim the jell up to the roots, then nute the water and the roots can access the nuted water.

I don't know if the nuted water can propagate through the jell?

 

[PCBuds]

I love Flake, though I know it was from Cadbury's

I don't know Flake, but I remember the Aero bar.

 

[PCBuds]

It's only been a day, and the PH has climbed quite a bit...

 

[Sampas92]

Lets say you are out for a walk. It's mid summer. The mercury is showing 28c. The weather forecast says that in the shade, it will be 28c. This is because the air at 28 will heat everything it touches to 28.
In the sun, you feel it's heat radiation. It's passing through the air without effecting it, yet has heated the sand enough to melt your reeboks. The suns heat has radiated through the vacuum of space, to cook the ground so much, that the air touching the ground started to heat up.

Applying this to plants outside, They will be warmed by the 28c air, and also by the IR from the sun. They will sweat as much as needed to not reach reebok melting temperatures. Driven by both heat inputs. Generally, the plants good enough at this to stay below even the 28c. It really is a lot like us. Close enough to think of it the same way. An HID is like the sun when you stick your hand under it. The air might be 28, but that heat radiation (ir) heats anything it falls upon. For us, and the plants, we must sweat (transpire/transpiration) to stay cool. The more than IR beats down on us, the more we sweat, which drives the movements of salts enough to put white marks on t-shirts, and supply calcium to new growth.

LED's have a little IR, but it's just a token amount. You put your hand under, and there is no comparison to the sun or a HID. It's just not there at a level that warms things enough to increase transpiration.

I can't put my finger on it, but photosynthesis leads to opened stomata (the holes that let out water, and let co2 in) But high LED light causes collapse. Moisture appears to be leaving, but not being replaced. It's not just about the water though, or what gets carried in the water. I have recovered a droopy plant by lighting a candle. As it started to drop, it would be closing it's pores (stomata) limiting it's co2 availability. So I raised the co2 with the candle, to recover them. I did this multiple times, to prove it worked. This might actually mean that high LED lighting levels got photosynthesis going enough, that the collapse was co2 deficiency, not water loss. Which when you think about it, water loss with less heat is a bit odd. Though the lower water loss has certainly meant a high calcium level is needed in the feed, our droop isn't exactly like dehydration. It feels dry, but visually, it's not the right droop.
The physical inputs that seem to correct the droop, are RH, co2 and Ca. RH will stop the pores closing so much, and so increases co2. This isn't likely to cause a drastic increase of Ca uptake. Which as an immobile element, doesn't fit with the speed of drop and recovery. Transpiration and co2 are key, with pore size the big issue.

Thats the thing why i talked in how we heat the spaces with the different kind of way they produce heat. If one that heats the air with more radiation and is closer to the plants, i guess they should grow differently because of that close radiation heating things up higher than the air.
Like for example my oil heater that is right next to the tent and i could feel the heat in all the room where the tent is and the pots "hot". When i switch the probe place being more close to the heater, i maintained air temps but i didnt feel that heat in the room etc etc.
I dont properly know if it made a different in them, they looked better somehow but at the same time i changed things to control the rh better so...

You are saying that with a lighten candle they didnt droop because it produce co2?i need to try that but it was limited co2 because in fact it was in low levels or because the co2 levels raise hard and therefore the remaining stomatas eat more and it works?

So maintaining a bit higher rh than normal could make it better because the stomata would remain open?

Sorry for rant on your thread buds

Peace