Pandora closes her amphora
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Genghis Kush.
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you'll be stoked! im sure you will end up with at least 3 freebie packs.I just ordered some of these. Ive heard nothing but good things about these guys
Colombian Mango Biche - Humboldt CSI
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Im thinking about ordering the mystery 5 packs of seeds (35 seeds) for 80$ and asking for all Sativas . cant go wrong
Lebanizer
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I wrote that in one go so it was all from memory. But yeah it's grassman not gasman, close enough though. Some of the info is quite simply accessible on the Leb thread in the Ace forum. I notice that grassman's posts have been erased for some reason however (or I can't find them anymore). Here's what's left:
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Yeah the flowering time alone is completely insane for an allegedly 100% equatorial strain (even if it's a 3 way hybrid). I mean 11 weeks ? Hello !
The plants I had from CBG were quite rawer and "wilder" than the ones from ACE. Also different aromas. Ace was all about very refined incense while CBG's was very very mentholated/eucalyptus. Vaporizing it felt like I had rubbed my vapo with Vix Vaporub
The effects also different. ACE very electric. CBG more lazy ass dreamy. But that was just one pack each so maybe not represenntative.
420PyRoS
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Wait, what?
Wouldn't have Mystic gotten the Panama from Huesos?
I got the Panama from Huesos and I don't remember mystic working with them at the time.
If I'm wrong, I gotta clean up my history and talk to Mystic as I had no idea those were his.
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funkyhorse
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What you got is more than likely Coljam
The seed I got from a distributor sold to him by Cristalin as CG72 was Coljam. I got Coljam from another source and it was the same, very different from the CG72
And the repro of CG72 by JGL has ridicoulous male/female ratios and the progeny is inbreeding depression galore. I am guessing JGL reversed some female to pollinize the strain or some shit like that
So you didnt lose anything with this. Not good for breeding
I dont understand what makes people think eliminating hermies and "selecting" firm progeny will not result in hermaphroditism or mutations in the next generation of an hermie line with mutations like whorled phillotaxy
@Lebanizer
I probably have things to answer you but I am not sure if your interest is about the weed and the origins of it or if your interest is about bashing people and putting people at mud pedestals
If your interest is about the origin of the weed and the real story of it, then I am interested
I am interested in the historical facts.
I am not interested in the beef you might have with breeders or seedbanks.
I have a very bad opinion of them all. They think the plant is part of their egos, this is why weed is so fucked up today
If you are going to tell us Angus is an authority about weed and his weed is the real thing, I have nothing to answer I am not interested in bullshiters and bullshitting, whatever he sourced in Lebanon in 2008 is reintroduced weed after wars and if you find something growing in Lebanon it doesnt mean at all the seed is from there.
This guy Angus is a rampant plagiarist from others and his repros from London are pure garbage
@GrassMan is the guy who shared the seed sold as lebanese. He posted a couple of pics of huge greenhouses full of beautiful hashplants. He is a skilful grower
I doubt very much he or someone else knows the exact location of the exact place where this weed sold now as Lebanese grew. This is something I am very curious about
The weed was full of desert dust. One of the customers I was sourcing for weekly did wash the weed in order to clean them from the dust. It had plenty of seeds. The best was to use it mixing it with manali charas.
I really like Manali charas of the 90s
This lebanese never ever was a hashplant. It was sold in bud form and smoked as bud
This weed appeared right after the first Gulf War
@Raco posted the plants grown from those seeds in a very long thread Haze thread a few years ago
I sold this weed sold as lebanese at Aqaba Gulf to tourists. I was sourcing it there too
I sold the weed in matchboxes, same as other people in the area were doing. The weed was full, but full of seed. Half the matchbox was seed. It was going for 12,5-15u$s matchbox
I have no doubt the weed is from the desert sorrounding Aqaba, it should come from the desert north no more than 100-150kms away
I have spoken recently with friends from that time about this weed. None of us regard this shit highly at all
There were a lot of better things to preserve from the 90s, you get to wonder why they preserve this shit?
Particularly Dubi or whoever made the selection selected against the landrace.
@Ras Pablo So you made the first selection. Do you still have the originals? If you do, then the plants with the long internodes and low productivity are the landrace ones. I guess they should be the majority in the original seed popping
What did you find in the originals?
So what once was a sativa with some high turned into a hashplant with no high. It is not a criticism, it is just reporting facts
The landrace was the plant with long internodes and low productivity. Those ones had the high which was mild like 90 min long
If you still have originals you can find the landrace weed again. But it is weak weed, not worth preserving
The weed from the other side on Sinai desert was probably the best african weed. I find it incredible that the best weed has not been preserved at all
I blame it on lack of knowledge by the breeders. How can they know what to select for if they never smoked the original weed?
And guess who is copying this garbage? Yes, the great Angus did copy this shit and sell it with another name
The original lebanese hash was gone in the 80s with the Lebanon war. The original hash was a trophy of war, tanks were going back to Israel full of hash up to their tits. The hash lasted all 80s, same in Europe. By the end of 80s it was gone forever
Bekaa Valley is being bombed right now. Do you think plants will remain the same after the bombings and after the war? Do you understand about epigenetic changes?
I am honestly curious where this weed might have been grown. It was the 90s, there was no internet. There was not much knowledge about growing weed back then. The farmers let the plants pollinize badly. The tops of it were the least seeded buds and the best of it
What is interesting about Spain is the best weed has never been sold and is still kept there
The Punto Rojo they sourced in 2010 is garbage, OT1hz is a disaster for breeding, you get phenotypes all over the place and hermaphroditism too. High is totally washed down, probably something like F10 to F15 by now
I got lucky, somebody shared this with me
It is from an old seed batch when was still possible to send seed to this part of the world
It is called Angola x Senegal
It is fast weed, the best of all fast weed. It has landrace high. The only thing that comes close to it from the cannaworld are the Seedsman haze phenos finnishing in January northern hemisphere or July in the south.
This is much faster. This has the high of landrace weed like paraguayan from 1995-2010 or South east asian from the same time.
You smoke a small spliff made with OCB paper number 1 size, a few tokes of it gets you high a couple of hours. Not the weed to go to the supermarket to buy things
@dubi You have this Angola weed. You can make plenty of hybrids with it, you made some probably with weed I dont like, like your Panama, with a decent sativa different from OtHz will be better
Why is this not released?
I hope you all keep your beefs aside. Keep your beef private. It is not interesting at all
The history of the weed is very interesting. The historical anthropology of it too
Have a nice week everybody
Buenos días a todos!
I correct this:
Panama 1974 > original work by GreenGrocer
"Panama Red" (Rushman 1978 x PRRed2000). Panama Red hybrid originally produced by GreenGrocer, Charlie Garcia/Kaiki hybridized with La Mano Negra's to create ACE's line
Cryptic labs "Panamá" > same Panama 1974 from GreenGrocer (i'm not sure if huesos share with him the seeds?)
Cannabrainer
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This makes total sense. Hopefully, the original 1974 PR is still around!!
Hello funkyhorse.
I would bet that my seeds were Colombian Gold 72 and not Coljam. By flowering time and genetic traits.
I agree with you that some plants shed bananas at the end of flowering and that they were very inbred.
Some plants did not even have the strength to support themselves.
They were all eliminated.
The best that was found was selected for effect, vigor, resin, sexual stability... and the truth is that when mixed with oth it gave it what it lacked in vigor and gave it new blood.
For my taste it is a great variety.
About OTH, if it is true that you have a large number of genotypes and many plants are not good...I imagine that you have tried the Ace Seeds version. It has a lot of genetic variety since it is open pollinated from many plants. To find something special you need several packages.
I recommend you try Athena, OTH purple or green and Aphrodite.
There are 5 seeds per variety, they are few but I trust that you will find something that, if not a grail, is good.
If not you can come here and say it's shit.
I hope that now that Pandora seeds are free, many people will try all the varieties.
I would bet that my seeds were Colombian Gold 72 and not Coljam. By flowering time and genetic traits.
I agree with you that some plants shed bananas at the end of flowering and that they were very inbred.
Some plants did not even have the strength to support themselves.
They were all eliminated.
The best that was found was selected for effect, vigor, resin, sexual stability... and the truth is that when mixed with oth it gave it what it lacked in vigor and gave it new blood.
For my taste it is a great variety.
About OTH, if it is true that you have a large number of genotypes and many plants are not good...I imagine that you have tried the Ace Seeds version. It has a lot of genetic variety since it is open pollinated from many plants. To find something special you need several packages.
I recommend you try Athena, OTH purple or green and Aphrodite.
There are 5 seeds per variety, they are few but I trust that you will find something that, if not a grail, is good.
If not you can come here and say it's shit.
I hope that now that Pandora seeds are free, many people will try all the varieties.
Afrodita
Really cool project Pandora, I hope you continue with your work even if it isn't a commercial thing. I think I might still have some really old OTH seeds somewhere that came from another source than ACE years ago when Oldtimer(RIP) was still with us, they probably aren't viable due to age and bad storage, just never had the time/space. However I've grown and pollinated other long flowering varieties and know the dedication that it takes, respect for all your hard work. I'm happy to see that other people are doing something with his genetics and continuing Oldtimers legacy.
EnjoyingLife
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I posted the panama grow over in the Colorado sativa's thread if you're interested in taking a look.
It's a lazy man's journal and caterpillars harassed me so the buds don't look great but it's there if you're interested.
The panama was a freebie when I grabbed destroyer and nannan blouclou (spelling?).
Pédetoddy
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100 % germination
. Thanks FSE and Pandora seeds.
FeelHaze
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Mine went 11 weeks ...
So much beef and politics in the breeding game ... I wish Pandora, Ace and all the breeders on ICMAG good success
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H e d g e
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The mad thing is I’d have bought a pack of oth from everyone that had it available to get more diversity and vigour in the offspring, we need more people selling it pure if it’s to be saved.
The priority should be preservation, it’s a critically endangered none gmo fkn holy plant.
There’s a massive niche not being filled in the seed business with selling pure landraces that have been tested as unrelated to skunk og or hemp, I’d sell my left nut for a pack of herms if they tested none gmo.
I’m slowly finding homes for all the skunk hybrids I bought hoping they were pure, nobody wants them, can’t give them away.
The priority should be preservation, it’s a critically endangered none gmo fkn holy plant.
There’s a massive niche not being filled in the seed business with selling pure landraces that have been tested as unrelated to skunk og or hemp, I’d sell my left nut for a pack of herms if they tested none gmo.
I’m slowly finding homes for all the skunk hybrids I bought hoping they were pure, nobody wants them, can’t give them away.
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Hasch
learning and laughing
Yes, diversity to increase vigour and (afaiu) pathogen resistance.
And yeah, the fighting and dissing of breaders + seed sellers amongst each other isn't helping.
But I don't understand you labeling hybrids as gmo(s)
English is my second language so maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.
How are hybrids generally gmo?
@H e d g e
H e d g e
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They’re not, just anything crossed with hemp og or skunk is gmo. A hybrid between two or more landraces is still a landrace according to the people who test the genetics.Yes, diversity to increase vigour and (afaiu) pathogen resistance.
And yeah, the fighting and dissing of breaders + seed sellers amongst each other isn't helping.
But I don't understand you labeling hybrids as gmo(s)
English is my second language so maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.
How are hybrids generally gmo?
@H e d g e
Hasch
learning and laughing
Ahh, I think now I'm starting to understand what you're saying.
@H e d g e
For me gmo is an organism where we manipulated the genes right at the level of dna.
Things like crossing two different phenos or strains is what I call breeding.
@H e d g e
For me gmo is an organism where we manipulated the genes right at the level of dna.
Things like crossing two different phenos or strains is what I call breeding.
H e d g e
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They used colchicine induced mutations to make polyploids, I call them gmo because the genetics were modified, changed. You can call them frankenplants, it makes no difference, the medicinal properties have been lost.
