Panama

[jumpincactus]

Mmmm.... panama red! So this is what had the older generations blitzed out ey.
Their always crying about how good acapulco gold and panama red were.

We werent cryin in those days friend. We had shit eatn grins from ear to ear. Too bad you couldnt have been there.

 

[ULMW]

SEPT 2

SEPT 2

Getting near to harvest time. Couple weeks left.

 

[dubi]

It's a pleasure to see such nice results from so many growers about Panama.

Seems all the breeding efforts i've been doing with line since 2008, but especially since 2013, have had a quite positive impact in the line, i haven't had a single complaint about Panama (neither from the regular or fem releases) for years.
The line has been refined and inbred until F10-F11 generations, yet keeping great vigour and yield, and of course very high resin content, excellent and complex lemony incensey terpenes, great effects, excellent indoor adaptability, moderate flowering time and of course the beauty of the red/pinkish phenos, etc ... which is not easy to achieve after so many generations of inbreeding. But we shouldn't forget the superb breeding job that Greengrocer and Charlie Garcia did in the first breeding steps of the line

I had a little tester of Panama yesterday and it was absolutely diamond. Really clear, active not stoned at all. Felt more like speed at times lol That's how I lik my Sats. Nice bit of lime coming through on the smoke as well. I know that some strains keep pumping pistils or the trichs don't tend to amber as much as others. I'll keep her going for at least another week and take some more tester, or the the odd branch to get a decent spread.

Peace

Hi Wellandwitham

I'm glad you have had such a positive experience with your Panama, she is indeed beautiful, resinous and sticky, good yielding and your description of the aromas are tempting Happy to hear she delivers desirable clear and stimulating effects of your taste. Enjoy her!

 

[dubi]

I beg to differ with you on some points akira... but especially the bag appeal, more mature buds means more resin with larger bracts and i can't see how it would affect bag appeal negatively...Pure sativa shouldn't be more stoney if harvested late, just less racy but more tasty and longer lasting high than immature buds. This said these panama are not pure sativa in my book.

pictures of the 15 weeker, as you can see the resin glands doesn't seems to be overmatured, they're still white ( sorry for the shitty blurry pictures):

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Hi Pepe,

What a beautiful Panama Thanks for sharing pictures of her with us. I respect a lot your gardening skills, especially with sativas, so your feedback is always appreciated.

Panama is indeed a pure sativa. Take in mind that Panama has been bred for so many many generation and there have been huge breeding efforts to tame the original tropical Panama genetics until reach the current tamed traits/state of this Panama line. Indeed it's amazing how the line has been improved in all senses for modern indoor standards and for outdoors growing in non tropical latitudes.

I'm not sure what Panama generation/release did you grow, but our current ACE Panama releases rarely need more than 13 weeks to finish properly.

 

[dubi]

View Image that was a green panama example of forever reflowering harvested a week after this at 12,5 11-13 for 11week and 10-14 for the rest . down a little pice of that bud after 8 month cured . at week 10.5 has a different shape littler harder buds with a strong scent of lemmon .at harvest was a complex green haze with earthy tones and a little reminiscent of a lemmon cake. buds are huge but is a really fluffy hairy fox tail. difference with high is that at 10 week was enjoyable and happy , after change to a clean complex heavy introspective...but after all both are enough good to be happy.

Amazing Panama cola akirabull
Glad you found such a nice and high yielding green Panama pheno with high quality hazy lemony terpenes and effects of your taste.
Wish she stays in your lineup for a long time. Enjoy her!

 

[dubi]

heres a llittle final summary of my different panama regular girls

Girl 1 (winner): green hairs at harvest, solid round flowers, great flower/leaf ratio, incense smell, slower of the 2 @ 11 weeks flowering, great yeild. smooth smoke and best of all a unique trippy dense long lasting sativa effect. almost too much for some

Girl 2: Red hairs, pointed flower tops. , average flower/leaf ratio, a much more familliar lemon/ganja smell, quicker finish @ 10 ish weeks, woodier smoke with a much more "indica" feel of regular duration.

girl one was a wow plant, very different long lasting effect without significant come down

girl 2 is great smoke. just not the unique lady her sister is

Hi OnceUpon

Thanks also for sharing your feedback about the 2 (green and red) Panama phenos you have grown. Your experience and descriptions (despite being short) are pretty accurate

 

[dubi]

I grew 6 Panamas in the past, FIVE of them were female, they were a little bit seeded by the male
They ranged from mainly green to red
I preferred the clearer green phenos, the red ones were nice but stoney, good for the evening or a hot summer day when you got time to chill in the shade
My climate and them being lightly seeded also affected the high I guess, at least the strength
Next year I didn't plan to grow them again but in spring while still pretty cold one seed sprouted in the garden so I decided this was a sign and I kept it
This was a red pheno as well but the first red pheno that I liked more
I think it was most related to the panama red hair part of the hybrid
The structure of the buds and so many red hairs, it just looked like the pictures I've seen on icmag about panama red hair
The high wasn't as stoney but had a warm glow, body and mind, very functional and sociable compared to the more stoney red panama phenos, like covering you in a blanket of feel good
It was my favourite panama so far
In the future I might try to breed some of the green panamas to the peachy incensey Tikal
The most characteristic strength of the panama is it's nice dreamy but awake effect combined with its nice flavours, all of them tasted great
And its great strength, vigour, strong branches
I guess the land of origin isn't as important as the degree the line has been adapted
And the panama been adapted very well
They finished for me at the beginning of November/end of October at 48N, I guess not as strong as in Spain but million times better than all the weed I could buy
At least as strong as the nep jam(which is better adapted to my climate, finishes a lot earlier)
Altough I find them hard to compare because the effects are pretty different (nep jam high is very centered, panama not centered at all, more free flowing)

Another thing to add:
The way the panama cures up is just perfect!
I cobbed the red pheno I liked so much and after 3-5 months the buds just fell of the stick
And the stick split up in its fibers and became really soft and bendable
A very smooth smoke which lays gently on the lungs almost caressing your lungs

Hi 48N,

Excellent, detailed and accurate descriptions of your experience with your Panamas.
I concur with you in all senses.

I also prefer the green Panama phenos if i want to experience the more uplifting, clear and social effects of the strain. The red phenos (as we have explained several times in this thread) tend to deliver more dreamy, narcotic, introspective effects and makes your eyes very red, it makes you feel very hungry too so it's good as a medicine for those who need to increase their appetite. The more narcotic Panama red effect has nothing to do with the possible indica influence in the line, as old Panama red sativa lines were/are highly related to Colombian red sativas, which most of them also produce a quite sedative effect, but they are still 100 % sativas.

And a cross between the lemony incensey Panama Goddess (F10) and our selected Tikal peach incensey pheno (F5) is something i also have in mind for a long time

I also concur you about Panama curing, she really needs at least 3 months of proper curing so her terpene profile fully shines.

 

[dubi]

Greetings from The Great White North! I believe this is my first post, and I hope you get your money's worth. I recently planted a couple of seeds from my first order with Ace, back around New Year's. Surprise! The Panama Standard seed produced two seedlings (makes up for the fact, I guess, the Golden Tiger seed I planted didn't germinate at all). I'm thinking of letting the roots develop and then separating the two seedlings and putting them in separate pots.

Anyone run into this before? Any thoughts on what might happen? I'm guessing since the seedlings are from one seed, they're identical. Then again, that's not always the case with humans. I'm wondering, assuming they both live, if I might end up with two different phenotypes, or even if one could be female and the other male?

Thanks to all contributors to this thread. I've been lurking for a while, gleaning info from the 200-some pages for this grow. It's only the second time I will have tried growing a sativa (I grew someone's homemade Columbian x Acapulco last year, with poor results), but I've been growing indicas successfuly for the past six years (400 watt HPS flowering chamber; coco coir in hempy buckets; 200 watt CFL grow bulb in a small chamber for clones).

Welcome KenAbyss,

I'm glad to hear you took the time to read the whole thread, there are tons of useful and valuable info in this thread, thanks to the contributions of many growers.

It's rare that 2 plants came out from a single seed, but not impossible, in this case usually one grows faster than her twin, so in case both are growing with similar vigor maybe they come from 2 different seeds.

How was their development since then ? If you post recent pics hopefully we can help you to really know whether they are twins or not.

 

[dubi]

Took this Panama clone from her outdoor mum.
She has a red stem. Could this indicate a Red pistil pheno?
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Hi Azure,

Usually the Panamas with red stems have higher chances to produce red/pink pistiled females but not necessarily. Remember that the red/pink pistil Panama trait is always more evident when Panama is flowered outdoors, only the very red phenos will show red pistils indoors.

Wish your clone is currently growing happily

 

[dubi]

Panama June 24

Wow Maka,

What a growth on your Panama!
It has the potential to be the Panama beast of this season
How is she currently doing ? Already starting to flower ?
Please, keep us updated if you have the chance. Best wishes!

 

[dubi]

high,i have a mutant panama from 2014-2015 cant remember and shes 8 days into 12-12 stil no signs of flower...should i go 11-13 or be patient? i have no light leaks or to much N .. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=343064

Welcome cristocel420

It's rare to find mutant seedlings in Panama line, but looks like at the end it grew properly with good vigor. I have followed your thread, and although i don't speak romanian i'm glad to see you are already flowering and finishing PCK and Zamaldelica Best wishes!

Panama flowers perfectly under 12/12 flowering photoperiod, there's no need to use shorter flowering photoperiods with this strain.
Your plant came from seed, so she needs more time to reach sexual maturity, declare its sex and start the flowering compared with a Panama grown from clone.
8 days into 12/12 is still too early, she must be mainly stretching at such early flowering stage.

Let us know if you have any doubt. Kind regards!

 

[willydread]

Hi Dubi,maybe its a old question but,what phenotype I will have to wait for from Panama fem?if i'm not wrong she is from 2015,Thanks

 

[dubi]

much difference in the recent fems and regs? just started some regs and already falling in love with this strain!

Hi Dubi,maybe its a old question but,what phenotype I will have to wait for from Panama fem?if i'm not wrong she is from 2015,Thanks

Hi nksv willydread,

Good question. Basically you can expect very similar outcome from both versions (regular and fem) of the line, as both were bred using the same family/genetics. But current Panama regular release (the one available since 2013) was reproduced using many more different parental plants (both females and males) than the feminized version, so you can expect more variablity in the regular line. The fem version was produced next after the regular selection/reproduction, using only the very best parental plants selected between dozens of plants found in previous regular selection. The fem version was produced by reversing the elite Panama Goddess female so the current Panama fem version (available since 2014) is more consistent, less variable and probably better, but that's only my opinion, as i have predilection for all the phenos related to Panama Goddess and her offspring.

 

[dubi]

Love the look of the buds. Does the sun curing effect the high at all? I have to grow indoors but can cure the buds outside and wonder if that would add to the effect? The trippy aspect in particular is what I am after.

Hi yesum,

Panama is fully adapted to indoor growing so if you grown her properly you should get excellent quality in the finished product, whether it has been grown indoors or outdoors (in a right climate).

I don't understand your curing statement. Curing is always a 'post harvest' process and must be done properly inside a dark room with the correct moisture.

If you dry or cure your harvested buds outdoors under the sun the THC will degradate into CBN, and the buds can easily get moisture or get dry too fast, that's the way the moroccans dry their harvests before doing their hash, and it's not the best way to do it, but they harvest so many plants (Morocco is the biggest cannabis produced in the world) so they don't have enough indoor space to properly dry all their harvests.

 

[dubi]

The feminized Panama sprouted 5/29. The sprout had some red and purple colors in the stem and on the first leaves. I still see some hints of color now, hoping for a show during flower. She is the most fragrant plant in the garden and has a sweet skunky aroma. At first this plant seemed a little weak and had a small leaf deformity with the second set of true leaves where 3 leaves appeared. After that oddity she has become the strongest in every way. Here she is pictured with Northern Lights x Chronic from Spanish seeds.
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Welcome ColaCalyx

I'm glad to hear you are happy with the vigor and smell of your Panama. I see this is your first and only post at ICMag, hopefully you can come again to keep us updated with your progresses.

 

[dubi]

Could write a book on the green pheno alone, but generally, the Lemon cleaner green pheno is the best tasting pot I've ever smoked, with a very deep high, uber sticky, gets you in the laugh muscles and no body stone. First time I smoked it I had the experience of not knowing where I was for a time sensation of being in an alien place, then realizing I was looking at the same landscape/streets as per usual, just seeing them in a fuzzy pastel painting version.

Red phenos, I had two, were more stony, but very positive, excellent for music, produced oldschool spears of brown bud outdoors, indoors very chunky, huge calyxes, one with sweet lemony terps with bass notes of deeper, darker fruits, one that smelled like earth. Oh, RED eyes you will have. The reds I had were the best producers in any bunch of strains, although GT gave it a run.

Never had a purple that I know of, can't comment, but I can say of the phenos I had from seed and ran clones of, it's that sticky lemon sugar soda green panama that I miss the most, for every aspect; yield, taste (unbelievable), effect etc...

Here are some pics of each.

The white pistiled is the green Lemon at 40 days, the big indoor was my best lemon/fruity red, huge plant, and the BP outdoor plant is the earthy "Big Pink" magenta pistiled Panama.

Hi deepwaterdude,

Thanks for explaining in detail your experience with the different Panama phenos, concurs with our experience and the experience of many different growers as explained in previous posts.

I'm so glad that you had the chance to enjoy of such a great Panama green pheno
Thanks also for the pics! Enjoy with your Panamas!

 

[dubi]

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Super lemon aroma now at a little over 5 weeks. High hopes for this one.

Hi OlDirtyHuman,

I really appreciate your motivation to explore most of our catalog Thank you so much.

 

[dubi]

Hi dubi and hi everyone

My Panama, will start flowering next week next to Oldtimer's Haze. 11/13, had troubles outdoor with white flies so i had to chop her within 9 weeks of flowering, too early i believe. This time i'm going to try indoors. I'll be back in a month with an update.

see you soon

Hi SonicNurse92,

Glad you found the pink pistiled pheno
Please, keep us updated with the progresses of your Panama clone in its new growing cycle.

 

[dubi]

Panama guerrilla outdoors 2017 - 1st September

Panama guerrilla outdoors 2017 - 1st September

Here are my 2 favourite Panama females from most recent generations, growing outdoors guerrilla style, lost inside the endless orange fields, some good traditions should never get lost

First pic is the Panama A22 (F11), a very nice (and reddish) daughter selected among dozens of Panama Goddess offspring from the regular line. It was planted from clone in June and now she is already 2-3 weeks into flowering, and close to overgrow the orange trees beside her.

Second pic is the already well known Panama Goddess (F10). It was initially planted in June too, but the wild boars destroyed her, so we had to replant her in mid July again. She is a bit more delayed than her daughter Panama A22 but already starting to flower.

 

[ULMW]

Wk9

Wk9

The Final countdown and I am loving every moment. The wafts of resin and lemony goodness are really appertizing!
Has been ages since I smoked Panamas. We used to get a great deal on Panama back in them times. Roll big head spliffs n get red eyed !
Looking forward to a chalice load full sooooon! Thanks Ace for these great genetics and seeds.