What's new
  • As of today ICMag has his own Discord server. In this Discord server you can chat, talk with eachother, listen to music, share stories and pictures...and much more. Join now and let's grow together! Join ICMag Discord here! More details in this thread here: here.

:::::::USA Set to Reschedule Cannabis::::::: HHS Releases Recommendation Documents:::::::

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

Federally Approved Research Marijuana Is ‘Very Similar’ To What’s On Commercial Markets, Study Says, But Other Scientists Aren’t So Sure​


full

eb4c56ade55267b6d49f31b7367da5b3




Published

on
November 12, 2024


By
Ben Adlin






A new study led by the one of the only people permitted by the U.S. government to grow marijuana for research purposes finds that cannabis available across the country is “basically the same” in terms of its primary cannabinoid content. Genetics, the paper says—not regional growing differences—are chiefly responsible for the chemical makeup of the plant.
“Data showed that the cannabinoids profile of all high Δ9-THC cannabis samples, regardless of the state or region from which the samples are seized or the state from which the sample is produced under a state medical marijuana program, is basically the same,” the paper claims, reporting that samples analyzed averaged between 10 percent and 20 percent THC.
Another of the study’s claims, however, may be more controversial: The report asserts that marijuana available to consumers in state-legal markets is not only similar across the country but also “very similar to the chemical profile of the research cannabis” available through the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) Drug Supply Program—a program that several years ago came under fire for providing allegedly substandard marijuana for research purposes.

“The chemical profile of the illicit cannabis in the different regions of the USA as well as the ‘state legal cannabis’ available in dispensaries,” the paper says, “is very similar to the chemical profile of the research cannabis available in the Drug Supply Program (DSP), provided by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) for research in this country.”
At least historically, that hasn’t always been the case. During a dustup in 2017, researchers who were studying the use of cannabis to treat PTSD in military veterans drew attention what they said was virtually unusable material sent by NIDA.


“It doesn’t resemble cannabis. It doesn’t smell like cannabis,” researcher Sue Sisley told PBS Newshour at the time, adding that some of the government samples didn’t match her requested potency while other samples were contaminated with mold.
NIDA’s Drug Supply Program is the only legal source of marijuana for clinical research in the country, but “they weren’t able to produce what we were asking for,” Sisley told PBS.
Cannabis for NIDA’s Drug Supply Program is grown by the University of Mississippi, the only facility currently permitted by the federal government to grow marijuana for clinical research. Overseeing cultivation there is Mahmoud ElSohly, an Ole Miss pharmacologist who helms the school’s Marijuana Research Project.

ElSohly, who was the lead author of the new study, published in the journal Frontiers in Public Health, told Marijuana Moment that his team found largely similar cannabinoid content in marijuana samples from across the country.
fpubh-12-1442522-t002-1024x301.jpg

Average cannabinoids content of cannabis samples from different regions of the United States for last 10 years (2013–2022). ElSohly et al. / Frontiers in Public Health

“The main message that we’re talking about [is] it really doesn’t matter what materials you have, doesn’t matter where it’s produced, doesn’t matter where it’s seized,” he said in an interview last month. “All the materials that are there are determined by the genetic makeup of the plant material.”
“I cannot believe—or have no reason to believe—that the pharmacology of any one of those products available in one state is going to be different from the pharmacology of products that are available in another state,” he added, “simply because the chemical profile is very similar.”

Asked about the paper’s conclusion that cannabis on the U.S. market is also “very similar” to marijuana available through NIDA, ElSohly said that past complaints about cannabis quality were overblown and are being addressed in new products being produced by the program.
fpubh-12-1442522-t009-1024x189.jpg

Average cannabinoids content of cannabis flower samples acquired from dispensaries in three different States. ElSohly et al. / Frontiers in Public Health
He said the criticism around the 2017 study marijuana came largely from “pro-cannabis-legalization” advocates, many of whom were “just not really knowledgeable with the whole activity that’s going on.”

“The NIDA program is not there to prepare materials to please the cannabis users, people that are addicted to cannabis or people who are using cannabis for recreation. We’re not doing this for any of these people,” he said. “We are producing cannabis for research. Standardized marijuana cigarettes or otherwise for research.”
For years, ElSohly said, federal research cannabis maxed out at about 6 percent THC. The relatively low potency by today’s standards better aligned with what was available decades ago on the illicit U.S. market, and it allowed subjects in research to actually consume an entire joint; experiments suggested that even experienced smokers had trouble finishing “marijuana cigarettes” of higher potency.
“Now that we’ve moved into the legal market and dispensaries and people are using higher potency,” he said, “all of the investigators became more interested in buying those higher-potency materials.”

“It really has nothing to do with our ability to produce that type of material, the high potency material—it was the need,” the researcher continued. “Was there a need for this material to be there on a large scale? No, there wasn’t. Now there is a need.”
fpubh-12-1442522-t010.jpg

Chemical profiles of Δ9-THC dominant cannabis chemotypes produced at the University of Mississippi for the NIDA-DSP. ElSohly et al. / Frontiers in Public Health

Today, ElSohly said, “we are in the process of making some cigarettes right now at the 10 percent, 15 percent, and 20 percent or 25 percent, just to be there in the program in case somebody wants to buy.”
In the immediate aftermath of the 2017 criticism of NIDA-supplied cannabis, the agency said it planned to produce “some additional marijuana this year and harvest some high THC material that will likely be above 13 percent THC.”
So far, however, “we haven’t really had many takers,” ElSohly told Marijuana Moment. “Somebody, maybe three, four years ago, really wanted some 20 percent material before we even produced the stuff that we have now. And we made the 20 percent. We gave that investigator what they need.”

The University of Mississippi professor said the program’s adjustment mirrors what’s happened in the commercial market, which has sought higher-potency cannabis flower through selective breeding and optimized growing techniques.
“There is a change in the market, and selecting the genetics and the cultivation practices that produce high-potency material that developed over time,” he said. “We have made an effort to stay with that trend of increasing.”
He also denied that NIDA-supplied cannabis would have tested positive for mold, even back in 2017, because there was not enough moisture in the samples. In more recent years, he noted, the program has also begun irradiating cannabis to prevent microbial issues.
As for Sisley, the researcher on the PTSD study, ElSohly said she was “very antagonistic years ago,” but is “probably one of my best advocates now.”

When Marijuana Moment reached out to some of the researchers who loudly criticized NIDA-provided cannabis back in 2017, however, their responses suggested they were still skeptical of marijuana from the NIDA program.
Sisley referred questions to Rick Doblin, the study’s sponsor and the founder and president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). She added that it was “interesting to see” ElSohly report on the program’s new higher-potency marijuana cigarettes but did not comment further.
Doblin, meanwhile, was direct: “The NIDA material that Sue used in our initial study was terrible quality,” he said. “We plan to import cannabis from Canada for our new study.”
“NIDA cannabis cannot be sold commercially. Therefore it cannot be used in phase 3 studies where you need to use the same drug that might be approved for marketing,” he wrote in an email. “That’s a major reason we needed to end the NIDA monopoly. Our new study is phase 2 but we want to use cannabis we can use in phase 3 if our study is promising.”
Meanwhile, Betty Aldworth, MAPS’s director of communications and post-prohibition strategy, noted that the new potencies mentioned by ElSohly of up to 25 percent THC didn’t appear to be listed on a NIDA website about cannabis available through its Drug Supply Program. That website, however, was last updated in 2016.
A NIDA spokesperson provided the following statement to Marijuana Moment:

“Marijuana products produced under NIDA’s contract with the University of Mississippi are available in a variety of cannabinoid content specifications. Through this contract, bulk plant material with THC content higher than 10% (categorized as “very high THC varieties”) can be made available for research. This includes plant material containing 10%, 15%, 20%, and 25% THC. Researchers who are interested in obtaining cannabis and cannabis products for research may contact the NIDA Drug Supply Program to inquire about specific product needs and availability.”
The spokesperson linked to a web page about NIDA’s contract with the University of Mississippi but did not immediately reply to a response from Marijuana Moment noting that the page does not mention higher-potency products and was last updated in April 2021.
“The contract is a base 1-year contract with four 1-year options,” the page says. “However, it has been extended until March 2022.”
In a follow-up interview, ElSohly said he didn’t have control over what’s listed on the NIDA DSP website but insisted that marijuana with up to 25 percent THC could be ordered by researchers through the program.
“Ninety-plus or more percent of the researchers, they really appreciate what we do. They are very happy with what we provide them,” he said. While he acknowledged past criticism from Sisley and MAPS, he said the program has moved past those issues.
“It’s all water under the bridge for the past six or seven years,” ElSohly said.

Separately, NIDA recently put out a new request for proposals seeking contractors capable of rolling tens of thousands of joints for federally approved research purposes.
The agency said at the time that demand for cannabis products “grew significantly” in recent years, in large part due to “rapidly expanding research efforts in the area of drug abuse.”
THC and CBD levels in the sample orders included in that request were notably below what they are in most commercially available products in state-legal cannabis markets—even according to ElSohly and his team’s newly published research. “Low” THC levels in the examples ranged from 1.0 percent to 2.5 percent THC, and “high” levels ranging from 3.5 percent to 5 percent THC. By comparison, many adult-use products have total THC levels of 20 percent or more.

Federal agencies have also been calling for increased production of controlled substances like cannabis and psychedelics amid heightened demand from researchers. In September, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) released new quotas for the production of Schedule I and Schedule II controlled substances for research purposes—calling for an increase in the manufacturing of the psychedelics ibogaine, psilocybin and psilocyn.
DEA also proposed dramatic increases in cannabis and psychedelics production in 2022, similarly citing research demands.
NIDA, for its part, sent out a separate request for proposals in 2022 seeking a contractor to grow, harvest and analyze millions of grams of marijuana for research purposes. The agency said it was seeking manufacturers capable of cultivating, testing and rolling joints of about four million grams of cannabis over a five-year period.

That same year, NIDA opened the doors to authorizing additional cannabis growers for research purposes. The agency for decades worked with the same single marijuana farm at the University of Mississippi, and scientists had long been critical about the quality of the cannabis and extracts produced at the facility.
In 2019, meanwhile, NIDA sent out a separate request soliciting help to “acquire, develop and produce” joints for research purposes.
Separately, NIDA Director Nora Volkow argued in a recent blog post published that commercial interests are driving up rates of drug use and substance misuse disorder.
While she’s long expressed concerns about criminalization as a policy, Volkow raised a number of complaints with the commercial marijuana market that’s expanded as a result of the state-level legalization movement. And although lawmakers and health agencies have seen progress in combating the use of other legal substances, such as tobacco, she said the marijuana industry has “presented new opportunities for commercial interests to drive drug consumption across all ages and demographics.”
Volkow has previously recognized that data shows rates of youth marijuana use have remained stable despite her concerns about the potential impact of legalization, evidenced by multiple federally funded surveys, for example.
She’s also maintained her stance that criminalization is not an effective approach to drug control and that the drug war “created a structurally racist system” in which Black people are treated “worse” than others. And she’s called on the government to move “away from criminalization,” arguing that the country’s failure to offer drug treatment to incarcerated people only exacerbates the ongoing opioid overdose crisis.
 
Last edited:

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Yeah, I don't think any federal legalization legislation will be allowed on the docket for the next four years at least. Best hope is that more states look at legalization as the tax revenue stream that it is and continue to join the bandwagon of the other states who already have.
Republicans are interested in medical cannabis reforms. Medical use of cannabis is allowed by the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotics treaty, but US has yet to change it. I am hopeful at least a few more states will adopt medical cannabis policies instead of complete prohibition this year.

Although its going to be a battle because, the government will likely strictly limit access to medical cannabis in some states to only disabling conditions or terminal illness.

Severe arthritis will be covered by the new Kentucky law, but not regular arthritis. Multiple sclerosis will be covered by the program, but not psoriasis.
 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Eventually down the road it will loosen up to allow adult-use, but for now they need to delay it and prolong the process as much as possible. The government wants to prevent blowback from maintaining an oppressive policy, and also if it went fully legal overnight, it may have social consequences with everyone trying test the waters or to prove a point smoking dabs until they pass out and have go to the hospital for heart palpatations. Who knows what would happen.

Talked to someone in line voting this week who was from Colorado and he moved here somewhat recently as as a transfer. He said with legalization in 2014 it was a draw for gangster type people and they destroyed and trashed things like state parks as well as houses to use as growing facilities. Also the influx of people caused housing values doubled. His brother is a commercial grower.
 

eastcoastjoe

Well-known member
They actually tested that idea in Thailand after recently legalizing it. The government regime was changed and the new government thought to make it illegal again, but just heard on 'The Potcast' that Thailand had backed off the plan to re-criminalize cannabis and it will remain legal for adult-use.

Still illegal here, very harsh criminal penalties still remain standing in several states. Most police here, or at least a significant number, don't arrest people for cannabis from what I understand. But there still remains the possibility of posession charges, and if its over 30 grams its considered distribution which is a felony. Asset forfeiture and taking voting rights, prison time, fines, and probation, they can take your children from you for cannabis here, its a war out there.

Pretty harsh oppressive state if these types of penalties are left in place especially considering so many surrounding states have had adult-use and medical use legalization in place for some time.

full

I was just playing 😂. What we have is far from perfect but I think most places are better off for most people with some form of legalization in place. I just can’t stand what they have done with cannabis. I feel like I’m going to die long before we ever get the change we deserve.
 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran
What was the source and quality of the cannabis they used to determine a Schedule 1 status? No wonder they found it had no medical value, it was ruined flower.
 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

"He also supported a prior version of the legislation despite his concerns with equity-focused provisions."

The equity and social justice provisions in these bills are a cause of some of the division between republicans and democrats. They need to make a simple bill and get it through because republicans won't sign on to a bill that costs a lot of taxpayer money and has extra programs which don't necessarily have to be included in the bill.
 
Last edited:

armedoldhippy

Well-known member
Veteran
I'm just glad that at least cannabis is sold in surrounding states so that everyone here has access to quality flower, they just have to drive a little.
i need to meet some folks across the line in Virginia here for that very reason. a hunting buddy has a small house in good shape with 77 acres not 5 miles from here that he'd probably rent me at a modest sum. then, i could grow legally myself...:cool:
 

armedoldhippy

Well-known member
Veteran
a lot of taxpayer money and has extra programs which don't necessarily have to be included in the bill
yeah, too much extraneous pie in the sky bullshit really hurts otherwise good ideas. you cannot allow "pretty damn good" to be shot down by "but we want PERFECT!" you accomplish nothing like that. :rolleyes:
 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Nebraska Medical ballot initative 437 that passed along with 438

Qualified patient means any patient with a recommendation from a healthcare practitioner.

I like that setup. I think thats reasonable, but wonder how many plants? Only can posess 5 oz? Less than 2 quart jars?
 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

This is great news as RF Kennedy Jr. Has been a major advocate for vaccine safety and CoViD-19 truth. Trump is looking good with this appointment. Hopefully he will confirmed by the senate.

Kennedy is knowledgable on issues and shows his level of intelligence in that he is well spoken on the issues. He's vigilant for personal liberty and an advocate for exposing the real truth.



Politics


RFK Jr. Could Advance Marijuana And Psychedelics Reform Agenda As Trump’s Top Health Official​



3b71d81faa493372a683c777756df1f4




Published

on
November 15, 2024


By
Kyle Jaeger

President-elect Donald Trump has named Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as his pick to lead the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), where he will have the chance to advance major drug policy reforms he’s championed such as promoting access to psychedelics therapy and reshaping federal marijuana laws.


Kennedy followed a dizzying path to the Trump administration, entering the 2024 presidential election as a Democratic candidate before switching to independent as he lagged in the polls and then eventually endorsing the GOP nominee. Along that path, he stood out in part for his drug policy platform, which involved legalizing and taxing certain psychedelics in addition to cannabis.


If confirmed by the Senate or otherwise elevated to health and human services secretary via a recess appointment, Kennedy will be in a unique position of influence to follow up on those goals, commanding control of the nation’s health apparatus that oversees the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and other critical agencies.



HHS under the Biden administration has already completed its portion of a marijuana rescheduling review, conducting a scientific analysis that led to a recommendation to move cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). That rulemaking process is ongoing, but it’s possible that Kennedy could leverage his authority to initiate another review if he feels a lower schedule, or complete descheduling, is more appropriate, as he’s repeatedly argued.


Kennedy’s advocacy for psychedelics reform is also particularly relevant to his potential role at HHS. FDA faced criticism from advocates earlier this year after the agency rejected an application to approve MDMA-assisted therapy for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The nominee has made clear he believes psychedelics hold significant therapeutic potential that should be untapped, and he’d wield influence over that potential administrative reform as well.



Last month, Kennedy specifically criticized FDA over the agency’s “suppression of psychedelics” and a laundry list of other issues that he said amounted to a “war on public health” that would end under the Trump administration.


FDA’s war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything…
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) October 25, 2024





“If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you: 1. Preserve your records, and 2. Pack your bags,” he said.


On the presidential campaign trail, Kennedy talked about how he wanted to legalize and tax marijuana and psychedelics, using the resulting revenue to create “healing centers” where people recovering from drug addiction could learn organic farming as a therapeutic tool. He also voiced support for freeing up banking services for the cannabis industry.



Kennedy has also been open about his own struggles with addiction during his youth and the lessons that he’s taken away from his decades in recovery. While he said he’s generally not one to recommend a drug to treat substance misuse, he’s seen in his own family how psychedelics can facilitate the type of psychological healing needed for long-term recovery.


“I would legalize psychedelic drugs—some form of legalization,” he said in June, adding that he didn’t necessarily envision a commercial market where anyone could visit a shop to buy the substances, but that there should be regulated access.







With respect to psychedelics, the candidate said that he’s reviewed studies on the substances, and “there’s so many people being helped in different ways by them, and we have to make it easier—maybe to prescribe them or to give them through therapeutically.”


“I don’t know about just buying them in stores. I have to look at all that,” he said. “But in one way or another, we need to make it easy for people to use them in ways that could benefit our children and could benefit everybody. I’ve seen it in my own family, the benefits of it.”


He said that he’s “seen miraculous recoveries from psychedelic drugs from PTSD from veterans who have who have used it, from people who have suffered severe depression, OCD and many, many other injuries.”



“I’m not saying blanket legalization—but we need to make it easy for psychiatrists and therapists who are trained to be able to use this on their patients [as] an experiment and see if we get good results,” Kennedy said.


Kennedy also said that he was moved to support psychedelics access by his son’s experience with ayahuasca.


“My inclination would be to make them available, at least in therapeutic settings and maybe more generally, but in ways that would discourage the corporate control and exploitation of it,” he said last December.







Kennedy reiterated his support for psychedelics reform as recently as last week, sharing a video from podcaster Joe Rogan where the issue was discussed and writing that he agrees “veterans are the most deserving of benefiting from psychedelic therapy.”


Yes, @JoeRogan veterans are the most deserving of benefiting from psychedelic therapy. pic.twitter.com/4TegEYF8Tz
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) November 10, 2024




Notably, Kennedy isn’t the only Trump nominee to back psychedelics reform. He shares that position with the president-elects picks for attorney general, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL); director of national intelligence, former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D/R-HI); and Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) heads Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy.


Under Biden, HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra has not publicly commented on psychedelics policy, deferring a question from Marijuana Moment in June to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Nora Volkow, director of NIDA, has previously recognized the “promising” emerging research into psychedelics.


Meanwhile, after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said in June that he would not move to decriminalize cannabis if he were elected to the White House, Kennedy shared on social media a Marijuana Moment article about DeSantis’s comments and contrasted them with his own agenda.



Also that month, he discussed his own 40 years of sobriety during an interview on the podcast “Club Random with Bill Maher,” declining Maher’s offer to smoke with him on the show. He didn’t appear to mind the host’s indulgence over the course of the chat, however.


As attention turned to Trump’s own position on cannabis policy issues, RFK Jr. shared a video of an earlier exchange between Harris and Gabbard during a 2020 Democratic presidential primary debate when the then-congresswoman criticized the then-senator over marijuana-related prosecutions she oversaw as a California prosecutor and state attorney general.


“Tulsi Gabbard confronted Kamala Harris in this pivotal debate moment, demanding answers on key issues of accountability,” Kennedy said in a post on X, referencing the former congresswoman who has also joined the Trump transition team. “This revealing exchange highlights the importance of transparency and truth in politics.”


Trump, for his part, endorsed a Florida ballot measure to legalize marijuana that ultimately failed at the ballot, and he’s also voiced support for cannabis industry banking access and rescheduling. It’s unclear if he’d resist federal descheduling, and his position on psychedelics therapy is unclear.


Meanwhile, another member of the Kennedy family—then-Rep. Joe Kennedy III (D-MA)—who stood opposed to marijuana reform during his time in Congress, also said in 2020 that he changed his views and backs legalization and supports exploring the therapeutic potential of psychedelics.
 
Last edited:

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran


Avatar

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!


Nov 14, 2024, 4:12 PM

 

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

pipeline

Cannabotanist
ICMag Donor
Veteran

Be aware, if you get treated for a mental health issue, they may put you in a category that may later restrict your firearms rights even though you may not be a danger to society.
 

Latest posts

Latest posts

Top