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OZZ_

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I didn't realize you were specifically hunting for a green pheno in which case you should basically be looking for the exact opposite traits from what I suggested. From what I remember the green tended to be lankier and thinner leaved. Best of luck with your search.

I guess I never did mention that I was after the green goddess pheno. Thanks again for all the input, I appreciate it :dance013:
 

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Thank you for the report. Interesting to see that your panamas also have relatively broad leaves still. I started to worry about mine not being a narrow leaf drug type and that the vendor sold me the wrong strain. Well it is compared to the zamaldelica that for sure is a narrow leaf drug type.

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Hi podenco.... I wouldn’t worry to much about anything coming from ACE... they seem to be pretty stand up people and they are pretty transparent about the lines that their genetics come from and what direction they take each strain as they work the lines. From my understanding yes, the Panama lines are a bit wider leafed and more manageable than zamaldelica or some of the other sativa lines they have... which is why I decided to go with the Panamas in the first place since I’m so short on space.
 

OZZ_

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Training has started:



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OZZ_

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They recovered nicely within about four hours. I accidentally broke one of the stems, and I initially taped it up, it would have healed up just fine but I decided to just chop the plant as I’m already going to be over crowded anyway. That leaves me with 6 plants. I kept the four lankier stretchy identical plants, one intermediate and the one short, squatty bushy one.

I’m going to hit them with some azamax because today I noticed a bunch of spider mites in my worm bin where I tossed the damage plant. I’m not seeing any on these girls or my flowering plant in the other cab as of now... but they came from somewhere so I’m going to get on top of it now. It’s too late into flower to use azamax on the flowering plant, so I’ll just have to ride it out with her and hope that she stays mite free, I’ve got about 4-5 more weeks left on her I’d say. These panamas are only in veg... so 1 ml/gal works nicely as a systemic preventative. So they will be just fine :)



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OZZ_

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My tester freebie in the flower cab is just over 5 weeks, has about 3-4 more weeks to go I’m thinking:


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These panama plants definitely need more training if I’m going to keep them in this small cab for another month. So let’s get to it shall we?


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OZZ_

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Now go get some rest you beauties and let’s see you come back stronger (and shorter) for it!



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OZZ_

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It took a few days for them to recover, but that’s to be expected as no doubt it was a pretty stressful training session, but they are popping back nicely and the training gained me back some of the little height in this veg cab I have to work with, so it bought me some time. I have to chop the flowering girl in two weeks, for better or worse, because we are leaving on vacation to Chile for two weeks. All I need these plants to do is show sex so I can take clones, so I don’t need them to look pretty, I just need them to stay short.



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OZZ_

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Narrow leaf type training:


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The zamaldelica I held a few years ago, learned a lot from that cultivar, potted in a 16 oz cup.

From my thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=290740

Your grow technique in worthy.

Droppedcat..... thanks for dropping in! :laughing:

Im reading through your thread now, on page 5, I like what I’m seeing so far and I’ll learn what I can from it. Nice work!
 

Dropped Cat

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Droppedcat..... thanks for dropping in! :laughing:

Im reading through your thread now, on page 5, I like what I’m seeing so far and I’ll learn what I can from it. Nice work!




Out of rep, thanks for the reply and the rep.

Next order of seeds will include Ace zamaldelica regular.

Hard to believe I haven't ordered seeds in years.

Many choices to make, but I have a plan.
 

OZZ_

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Out of rep, thanks for the reply and the rep.

Next order of seeds will include Ace zamaldelica regular.

Hard to believe I haven't ordered seeds in years.

Many choices to make, but I have a plan.

Care to share your plan? I have 12 ACE zamaldelica from an order around 2015 .... but Im considering another pack for my seed bank. Did you here la reunion island is industrializing hemp? That puts zamal at serious risk of genetic pollution, ACEs zamaldelica just got more valuable ... in my eyes.
 
I’m liking your training efforts OZZ_.

And Dropped cat, that Zam trained around the edge of the pot is awesome. I love that kind of stuff.

I think Zam would be a fantastic choice for your next/future cab grow if you choose to do so OZZ_. The ones I grew were pretty compact and smells were from floral in a refined way (straight up rose blossom) to some tropical fruit I’ve never tasted. And some of the most beautiful picture perfect buds I’ve grown, brought a tear to my eye to squish so much of it into rosin.

The high was awesome too, like a kinder more zippy version of GT, although I hear that there are phenos that are terror inducing.

I hope you have a great time on your vacation my bud, you’ll be coming home to a big old bushel of Panama. This is the age when they really take off!
 

Dropped Cat

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Care to share your plan? I have 12 ACE zamaldelica from an order around 2015 .... but Im considering another pack for my seed bank. Did you here la reunion island is industrializing hemp? That puts zamal at serious risk of genetic pollution, ACEs zamaldelica just got more valuable ... in my eyes.


Trusting dubi has enough current Zamal stock to last
our lifetime. Many landrace cultivars under suspicion due to
genetic pollution.

My grows with his original release produced two phenos that were
outstanding, one carrot mango, one pineapple.

Both made for excellent buds, and the carrot mango cobbed and hashish.

Still hold some carrot mango cob, a couple grams, superb stash.

The bubble hash was sublime and didn't last long.

They were unstable in my environment, but can't remember why.

My plan is to cross to F2 and back cross to get those two original phenos.
 

OZZ_

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I’m liking your training efforts OZZ_.

And Dropped cat, that Zam trained around the edge of the pot is awesome. I love that kind of stuff.

I think Zam would be a fantastic choice for your next/future cab grow if you choose to do so OZZ_. The ones I grew were pretty compact and smells were from floral in a refined way (straight up rose blossom) to some tropical fruit I’ve never tasted. And some of the most beautiful picture perfect buds I’ve grown, brought a tear to my eye to squish so much of it into rosin.

The high was awesome too, like a kinder more zippy version of GT, although I hear that there are phenos that are terror inducing.

I hope you have a great time on your vacation my bud, you’ll be coming home to a big old bushel of Panama. This is the age when they really take off!

Thanks Pandy! The Panamas are still in veg, and I’m waiting for them to show sex so I can take clones, but the OG x GDP girl in the flower cabinet will be coming down in about a week and a half because of the vacation. It might be about a week early for her but I need time to get her hung, dried and jarred up. So I’m chopping her a week before we leave, hopefully I’ll have the humidity in the jar stabilized by then so she can cure while we are away. When I return I’ll pick a panama to go into the flower cab!

Here’s the tester freebie OG x GDP at 6 weeks:



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Frosty! Small tester bud even at six weeks was impressive.

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OZZ_

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Trusting dubi has enough current Zamal stock to last
our lifetime. Many landrace cultivars under suspicion due to
genetic pollution.

My grows with his original release produced two phenos that were
outstanding, one carrot mango, one pineapple.

Both made for excellent buds, and the carrot mango cobbed and hashish.

Still hold some carrot mango cob, a couple grams, superb stash.

The bubble hash was sublime and didn't last long.

They were unstable in my environment, but can't remember why.

My plan is to cross to F2 and back cross to get those two original phenos.

Nice! I read through your whole thread, very impressive micro grow. Although I’m using organic soil so I don’t think I would have the same results in such small pots as you were using salts and coir. It’s easier to grow plants in smaller containers with salts, i believe? Either way though it was a great read and impressive work, as mentioned above the current girl in the flower cab has about a week and a half before chop, I’m eager to get these panamas going! :dance013:
 

Dropped Cat

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Thanks for that, Panama is on my short list, but first I must retry the Zamaldelica, lol

Nice grow, subbed
 

OZZ_

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Thanks for that, Panama is on my short list, but first I must retry the Zamaldelica, lol

Nice grow, subbed

Great! I’ll try not to disappoint!

I installed some Blaumats to the veg cab with a 4 gallon res. Had to figure out something since I’ll be gone for two weeks on vacation. The Panamas have bounced back nicely from their training and now with a nice even water supply they should be set. I’ll probably train them back down right before I leave in a few weeks to try to keep them slowed down.




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The Hatter

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Trusting dubi has enough current Zamal stock to last
our lifetime. Many landrace cultivars under suspicion due to
genetic pollution.

My grows with his original release produced two phenos that were
outstanding, one carrot mango, one pineapple.

Both made for excellent buds, and the carrot mango cobbed and hashish.

Still hold some carrot mango cob, a couple grams, superb stash.

The bubble hash was sublime and didn't last long.

They were unstable in my environment, but can't remember why.

My plan is to cross to F2 and back cross to get those two original phenos.

Dubi was very upfront about that first release of Zamaldelica being very unstable so it probably wasn't just your grow conditions. It wasn't the much tamer and more stable strain it is today.

I've had a few strains over the years that have thrown a nanner or two due to light leaks or stress in late flower, but the first run of Zamaldelica is the only time I've seen a true shemale that from the very start produced huge clusters of both male and female flowers.

I should add that those same seeds also produced the one cannabis plant I've come across that I would describe as actually psychedelic. It flowered 18+ weeks and produced big fluffy pom poms of buds that looked like a tree Dr. Sues would draw. The aroma was complex but dominated by a chives, green onion and garlic type smells.

If you decide to try to do a micro zammy grow you might want to stick to the more modern releases of the strain which seem to be much tamer when it comes to stretch and flower time.

Your test grow looks amazing and the Panama are coming along nicely. Very nicely done.
 

OZZ_

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Dubi was very upfront about that first release of Zamaldelica being very unstable so it probably wasn't just your grow conditions. It wasn't the much tamer and more stable strain it is today.

I've had a few strains over the years that have thrown a nanner or two due to light leaks or stress in late flower, but the first run of Zamaldelica is the only time I've seen a true shemale that from the very start produced huge clusters of both male and female flowers.

I should add that those same seeds also produced the one cannabis plant I've come across that I would describe as actually psychedelic. It flowered 18+ weeks and produced big fluffy pom poms of buds that looked like a tree Dr. Sues would draw. The aroma was complex but dominated by a chives, green onion and garlic type smells.

If you decide to try to do a micro zammy grow you might want to stick to the more modern releases of the strain which seem to be much tamer when it comes to stretch and flower time.

Your test grow looks amazing and the Panama are coming along nicely. Very nicely done.

Thanks Hatter.... this is a great convo and good info on a strain I’m very interested in. Like I said I’ve got Zamaldelica seeds from an order in 2015. I always considered those seeds more valuable than the current releases because of the heavier Zamal influence, as if I remember correctly at some point they started breeding back to Malawi, increasing the Malawi influence? I could be mistaken in that though.

I’ve got my hands full with this Panama for now and I’d probably just break out the straight Malawi next and save the Zams for next year when I have more space and can break out my full sized grow equipment.
 
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