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dubi

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Hi musigny23,

I still remember the great PCK you grew last season ;)
This year PCK looks very close and as good as your Congo females recently harvested. Amazing how fast are finishing all the strains there :yes:

It looks like my one PCK is getting close to finished already. Here's a couple of pics from yesterday. This plant did not really get to the same size as my PCK plant last year in the same spot. I'm not sure if it was soil and season conditions or this plant had genes to go to a smaller size.

One of the largest colas.
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Most of the plant.
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Hi kamyo,

I'm following your great updates on IG with your own PCK x Panama/Deep Chunk hybrid, good job! ;)

Looks indeed like the PCK is the most dominant of the 3 in your hybrid, with slight Panama influence in some individuals, and not so much DC influence, which is rare because Deep Chunk is usually quite dominant in her hybrids, but maybe this time PCK 'took the control'.

I just dug through my trim/shake "I'll probably make iso later" container for some of my PCK female from the PCK/PanamaDC cross. Man, she's good. Super low yielder and all indica, but easy to spot with her dark purple, tiny rock hard buds.

Here's a shot of one of the girls from that cross. Overall structure on this one is all PDC, but we'll see how the buds turn out. I need some PCK back in my life.
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Hi Theo,

Your PCK really had a late start there, but i think she will make it unless there are strong frosts, crossing fingers!

And a PCK x ErdPurt/Kali China hybrid sounds like music to my ears ;) Well done!

I think your pheno may be similar to mine, judging by the dark purple, almost black look of the flowers. Only time will tell. Aromas are mostly vinegar and tangy. Let's see how a week of sun will contribute :)

I couldn't resist to sprinkle a bit of Erdpurt x Kali China pollen on her :biggrin:
 

browntrout

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What can one expect running the feminized seeds vs regular? Also is the Cannabiogen stock any different? I take it less phenotyical variation and potential better selection in the fems with possible loss in vigor?

I grew the regular years ago, however...

I have some paki seeds from the Pakistani Hindu Kush range as well as some X18 in which I will do a future breeding program and am looking at getting some fems of PCK potentially.
 

YukonKronic

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What can one expect running the feminized seeds vs regular? Also is the Cannabiogen stock any different? I take it less phenotyical variation and potential better selection in the fems with possible loss in vigor?

I grew the regular years ago, however...

I have some paki seeds from the Pakistani Hindu Kush range as well as some X18 in which I will do a future breeding program and am looking at getting some fems of PCK potentially.

Fem seeds shouldn’t offer any lower yields unless you manage to get an s1.. as far as I understand it’s pretty much same as regular seeds you just remove the male part of the equation. They’re not “more inbred” in any sense beyond being able to see directly what female flower traits a parent will likely offer as opposed to guessing wether a male will yield females that taste great with nice bud structure etc... in that way the genetic selection is narrowed more quickly towards whatever traits desired by breeders simply by virtue of being more readily observed.

Or I think that’s how it works at least...I’m still just chucking pollen and hoping for magic. Definitely not a breeder or genetics expert..
 

browntrout

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Fem seeds shouldn’t offer any lower yields unless you manage to get an s1.. as far as I understand it’s pretty much same as regular seeds you just remove the male part of the equation. They’re not “more inbred” in any sense beyond being able to see directly what female flower traits a parent will likely offer as opposed to guessing wether a male will yield females that taste great with nice bud structure etc... in that way the genetic selection is narrowed more quickly towards whatever traits desired by breeders simply by virtue of being more readily observed.

Or I think that’s how it works at least...I’m still just chucking pollen and hoping for magic. Definitely not a breeder or genetics expert..

Thanks for the input, I've done a few fem projects myself. I ask of vigour due to my own experience with fem breedings.

It really depends on how many individuals or “phenos” and strain specific traits. Typically I observe reduced vigour in subsequent generations and clone longevity deterioration in most lines albeit usually slight but sometimes very pronounced.
 

YukonKronic

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Thanks for the input, I've done a few fem projects myself. I ask of vigour due to my own experience with fem breedings.

It really depends on how many individuals or “phenos” and strain specific traits. Typically I observe reduced vigour in subsequent generations and clone longevity deterioration in most lines albeit usually slight but sometimes very pronounced.

Thanks. I didn’t know that... lol makes me want to learn more about it actually! I bet there’s an answer if one were to ask a geneticist and be able to understand what they say..
Haha I was told I have high level verbal comprehension once but i need pictures and short words to understand chemistry or genetics...
 

Theorganicguy

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PCK doing great, singing in the rain :)

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kamyo

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Have a couple PCK fem in flower after a very quick veg. They're recovering from a transplant and don't look too hot.

However, here's a shot of a purple pheno from my PCK x PanamaDC cross. Hoo boy, she hits you right in the face. Very similar in appearance to the PCK mom I used. Not overwhelmingly purple, but it's there.

Whatever sativa is left in these genetics comes through just enough to not make it a knockout, although I suppose a longer flower would help. I was hoping to get more of the PDC resin with these, but I'm sure a pheno exists somewhere. I'll be making some F2 soon enough, as well as pollinating PCK and Bubba Hash.
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Theorganicguy

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Looks dangerous and appetising, Kamyo :)

A couple bud shot of pck drying. She has a complex smell: very defined blackberries liquor and upon pressing she releases a nice citrusy and woody aroma.

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Look how dark she looks near some less colourful weed!

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kamyo

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Looks perfect, organicguy. Can almost smell her from here. I'm sure she's perfectly relaxing.

Here's one of two PCK fems I'm running. Been in 12/12 a couple weeks, but went in pretty early on in life. They're in a soil mix that I've stopped using. Has too much nitrogen, which doesn't burn them too bad, but does give the clawing and seems to affect smell/taste. This run probably won't be the best, but I'm pretty much just running these to find a textbook Purple Paki girl for a mother plant.

Legal industry here in Guam should be happening soon, so I'm getting my genetics in order.
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kamyo

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Here's a little update on her. Topped her like that because I needed to clone her, but she didn't stretch for shit. So I took the top. I'm sure she'll root. She's 100% indica in every way. I thought she got mildew or something when I looked in the tent this morning, but it was just the trich production starting.

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Sativied

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PCK is not suitable for scrogging. It just barely branches out, so there’s not much to lst either. Check out my PCK album for some indoor shots. Great for a SOG though. Or top low to get 4-6 main colas, then you might lst them a bit outwards. They flower so fast it’s worth putting some extra time in vegging them into a desirable structure first.
 

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PCK is not suitable for scrogging. It just barely branches out, so there’s not much to lst either. Check out my PCK album for some indoor shots. Great for a SOG though. Or top low to get 4-6 main colas, then you might lst them a bit outwards. They flower so fast it’s worth putting some extra time in vegging them into a desirable structure first.

That's what I figured. Still thought I'd ask. Yeah the last time I ran this variety I did it single-cola style but I'm always looking to experiment.
 

kamyo

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Here's my girl about 3 weeks into 12/12 with a very short veg and was topped just as sex showed. I'm afraid she's going to herm on me, but it's hard to tell if it's just that awkward early flowering stage. Have another PCK fem that seems to be doing the same thing. Thoughts?

If she is, I don't place the blame on the genetics. I probably should have put her in better soil. This stuff is fairly hot, and I don't think it's the case, but there may be a slight light leak, like pinhole size. I do have cutting of her, so I plan on running her again if this one doesn't work out. She's just too pretty to let go. Short, fat indica that's as colorful as I've seen so early in flower. For that alone, she's a keeper.
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