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OUTDOOR GROWS 2023 -ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE-
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Could have got 2-4 inches of rain yesterday but it missed us by a couple counties. I'll take the sunshine and drier conditions, will help the plants keep growing and prevent disease. Had a perfect pollination day yesterday, windy dry conditions all day! Flowers on the Sativa Candy Chunk are very near pencil eraser size, so males may be culled today or by the middle of the week for sure.
Starting to see some yellowing on fans which I saw last year about this time, so going to go ahead and top dress with cottonseed 6-2-1 today to prevent nitrogen deficiency. Probably not the perfect flowering fertilizer, but I should have adequate phosphorous. Used the chicken manure Healthy Grow 3-3-3 at planting and then a top dress application June, and applied cottonseed 6-2-1 mid last month. Phosphorous is a more stable nutrient in the soil, so even applications the past couple years remain and build up in the soil. Nitrogen and Potassium are more in flux because they are soluble and can leach.
When I talked to the grower at the local mulch and mix growing center, she made the point that cottonseed meal would work well for bloom/fruit phase of growth because nitrogen is the main nutrient the gets used up the quickest. So don't forget nitrogen at flower. Cottonseed meal has all slow release nitrogen and shouldn't cause any issues with delay in flowering or potential burn. Also the fertilizer will be depleted by late September when the flowers are ripening and its time to flush before harvest. Nothing too complicated, we have pretty fertile soil here.
Would like to try doing some soil testing and trying out some of @Chunkypigs soil amending methods though some time to dial it in and see if they can be more lush. I don't get as much sun in these spots, so plant growth and fertilizer use is somewhat limited because of shade, and it may not make as big of a difference here as other more sunny locations.
Pollination Day
Early Skunk x Lebanese
ES x L
ES x L couple weeks ahead in flower!
Pine Tar Kush
Pine Tar Kush
Paradise Cheese x Hindu Kush
Paradise Cheese x Hindu Kush--need to cull the males as soon as possible
Sativa Candy Chunk Champion male has opened up and has a few flowers dropping but its very limited. Didn't get an updated pic yet because of the wind.
Sativa Candy Chunk-- most developed male.
SCC developed male macro
Deep Chunk x Blueberry
revegeta666
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revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
I was thinking the same, my seed plants are barely getting started.Bonita lechugona amigacho....
Este año parece que van un poco tarde o me lo parece a mí?
Nice lettuce friend....
This year they are a little late or it seems to me?
Clones are underway though
Hombre del mont
Dr of Stupidity
El mío parece un poco tarde también.
Alright! The watering seemed to help move along development and the Champion male #1 has dropped pollen and the females are mostly the right size for pollination, about 1/4 inch wide flowers or larger. Cleared out the males, shook out the pollen, stuck the developing stamen from SCC Champion Male #1 in the leaves of plants around the garden in leaves up high to drop later, removed diseased leaves and applied cottonseed meal fertilizer! Rained yesterday evening about 0.3 inch and is raining a nice steady rain this morning, so it has worked out perfect to water in the fertilizer thoroughly, but gently, God's grace. They really could use the nitrogen! I water so much to get the water down deep, it leaches some of it, but these plants are growing so fast, there is high N consumption right now.
Keeping an eye on some of the plants that are very slow to go into flowering. If they are too late, may end up getting removed to make room for ones that will finish. I do this in my SCC usually, will be more patient with the other cultivars to see what they do. One plant had to be topped late in veg to remove a diseased growing point and it may have really set it back. I think everything else is at an acceptable stage of development.
Here have a look. Get the pipe ready for the Onset of Flowering Stage update. Enjoy!
Garden view after males have been removed.
Deep Chunk x Blueberry
DC x BB
DC x BB
DC x BB and Paradise Cheese x Lebanese tall plant front right. (had mislabeled bit by mistake)
DC x BB
Paradise Cheese x Hindu Kush
Deep Chunk x Las Vegas Purple Kush x Hindu Kush
DC x LVPK x HK
DC x LVPK x HK-- plant on the left had diseased growing point and was topped mid veg. Seemed to do well and the disease is gone!
DC x LVPK x HK
Deep Chunk x Las Vegas Purple Kush x Hindu Kush-- plant on the left was pruned in late vegetative growth stage and seems to be set back in flowering. Its still showing preflower primordia, not fully developed and very few of them. May have to be removed.
DC x LVPK x HK
DC x LVPK x HK
Sativa Candy Chunk--overview
SCC-- overview
Edited it to show where the Paradise Cheese x Lebanese is. Will double check the tag, but I know what it says, I have looked at it several times, it was hard to read.
Sativa Candy Chunk--I call these the "3 Sisters" because they were some of the first SCC to show preflowers and they are all in a little bunch about 6-8 inches apart. At the back of the garden.
SCC
SCC
SCC
SCC--Champion Male #1
Sativa Candy Chunk-- Champion Male #1
SCC--Champion Male #1
SCC--Champion Male #1 flower--dropping plenty of pollen today!!!
SCC--Male #2
SCC--Male #2
Sativa Candy Chunk-- Male #3
SCC-- Male #3
SCC--female
SCC-- female
SCC --Champion Male #1-- was going to bring this one home and press some leaves. Maybe next year, need to find a book big enough to press it! Leaves are right at a foot wide and tall!
revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
I actually had my bong ready for the Onset of Flowering Stage update
Looking great mate.
Looking great mate.laszlokovacs
Well-known member
Just want to say that mine are taking forever to start flowering as well. Guess things are late for some of us.
Any one ever use row cover to isolate males outdoors? I only got a couple plants this year and want to make a few seeds. I have a male that just started showing sex growing a couple feet away from two females but I still want a mostly seedless crop.
Too late to clone and grow out indoors to collect the pollen and apply manually I think. I just wanna wrap it in some left over row cover and maybe prune it down hard to delay and diminish pollen production. Then unwrap once or twice to cut off a small branch and pollinate one or two branches on the other plants- some diesel and a 3way Mac1xBlockberry(Superboof) cross.
Any one ever use row cover to isolate males outdoors? I only got a couple plants this year and want to make a few seeds. I have a male that just started showing sex growing a couple feet away from two females but I still want a mostly seedless crop.
Too late to clone and grow out indoors to collect the pollen and apply manually I think. I just wanna wrap it in some left over row cover and maybe prune it down hard to delay and diminish pollen production. Then unwrap once or twice to cut off a small branch and pollinate one or two branches on the other plants- some diesel and a 3way Mac1xBlockberry(Superboof) cross.
revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
I don't think you will be able to isolate the male well enough outdoors.
You don't really have to root the clones to collect the pollen. You can wait till the flowers are formed but still have a week before opening, then take 2 or 3 tops, bring them inside and put them in a glass of water. Have a big sheet of paper underneath to collect the pollen and that's it. Next to a closed window where there's zero air current, or inside a spare bathroom with a small light. Change the water every 2-3 days, and go to the shower right after touching them
MadMac
far beyond driven...
hello,
great thread
here some of my outdoor gear...
the plan was 2 years ago to create a good yielding haze (close as possible to OHz) for outdoors here in the north at 52°N ... need to finish mid october latest...
so i'll was looking around some time and finally found what i'll was looking for...
did many trials OHz with different early outdoor gear but all where to late ...
... finally i'll found Iranian Auto ... did also try different auto's and auto enhanced hybrids...
IA had one pheno' that smelled good ... looked like sativa and was early... startet after 3 month in veg...
so used my OHz male and crossed it with the IA girl... growed' some out in friends garden... 50/50 it was between the girls... 50% more IA and 50% more OHz ... and from the 6 more OHz looking two where early ...
those two i'll took cut's ... reveg under 20/4 and pollinated those with my fav OHz girl reversed... from those i'll had 12 coming... 1 runt or early IA looking... 1 smaller ... and 10 huge looking sativa's ...
from those ten, two startet flowering in july ... all where above soil on 1 may ... from tose two early flowering i'll took cut's again and will reverse booth to make final seeds for outdoors...
the high was already excellent and the piney smell is also what i'll like ...
so now finally will see after harvest but see yourself... structure and everything else is already there
IA/OHz x OHz S1
i'll love this slender leaf's ... now let's see how they flowering ;-)
all the best
M.
great thread
here some of my outdoor gear...
the plan was 2 years ago to create a good yielding haze (close as possible to OHz) for outdoors here in the north at 52°N ... need to finish mid october latest...
so i'll was looking around some time and finally found what i'll was looking for...
did many trials OHz with different early outdoor gear but all where to late ...
... finally i'll found Iranian Auto ... did also try different auto's and auto enhanced hybrids...
IA had one pheno' that smelled good ... looked like sativa and was early... startet after 3 month in veg...
so used my OHz male and crossed it with the IA girl... growed' some out in friends garden... 50/50 it was between the girls... 50% more IA and 50% more OHz ... and from the 6 more OHz looking two where early ...
those two i'll took cut's ... reveg under 20/4 and pollinated those with my fav OHz girl reversed... from those i'll had 12 coming... 1 runt or early IA looking... 1 smaller ... and 10 huge looking sativa's
...from those ten, two startet flowering in july ... all where above soil on 1 may ... from tose two early flowering i'll took cut's again and will reverse booth to make final seeds for outdoors...
the high was already excellent and the piney smell is also what i'll like ...
so now finally will see after harvest but see yourself... structure and everything else is already there
IA/OHz x OHz S1
i'll love this slender leaf's ... now let's see how they flowering ;-)
all the best
M.
Thanks for sharing your breeding work Mad Mac! Those look like amazing hybrids! Haze that finishes at 52 N! Thanks for sharing!
What Revegetta said would probably work, but you risk having a pollen sack open up at the garden unless checking daily. I do something similar with the males. Yesterday when I wanted to cull the males but would like to really extend it a day or 2 especially for the Champion male #1, I wedge developing stamen into the notches of the females and allow them to open up and drop naturally. Some of them open up, but not all of them of course.
This is how I started my line, by taking the (OG Kush x Jamaican Jam x DC) x DC stamen and driving them miles to wedge in leaves in the other garden. Works well!
To get just a few seeds, I generally pollinate early, otherwise you risk pollinating too much. Pollen grains are very small and it may be easy for it to get out of control outdoors if a wind kicks up doing it later!
What Revegetta said would probably work, but you risk having a pollen sack open up at the garden unless checking daily. I do something similar with the males. Yesterday when I wanted to cull the males but would like to really extend it a day or 2 especially for the Champion male #1, I wedge developing stamen into the notches of the females and allow them to open up and drop naturally. Some of them open up, but not all of them of course.
This is how I started my line, by taking the (OG Kush x Jamaican Jam x DC) x DC stamen and driving them miles to wedge in leaves in the other garden. Works well!
Chuck Jägerschnitzel
Active member
I don't think you will be able to isolate the male well enough outdoors.
You don't really have to root the clones to collect the pollen. You can wait till the flowers are formed but still have a week before opening, then take 2 or 3 tops, bring them inside and put them in a glass of water. Have a big sheet of paper underneath to collect the pollen and that's it. Next to a closed window where there's zero air current, or inside a spare bathroom with a small light. Change the water every 2-3 days, and go to the shower right after touching them
That method works well, another way to do it is to dig up the male plant, put it in a small container and put the container in shady spot far away from the females until its time to pollinate them, then collect some pollen and pollinate a few buds by hand. You don't need all that much root ball to keep the male alive as long as he isn't being blasted by a lot of direct sun, I've been transferring mine into 1 liter containers the past decade or so, this year I became generous and started using half gallons. I've had males that stretched to over 7' tall after transfer to 1 liter container when they were only 3' or 4' at the time of transfer, it doesn't seem to hurt them all that much.
Heres a picture of my male plants so far, the one on the left is TychoMonolith's Honduran Jamaican and the two on the right are my two earliest Swazi BX1 x Swazi BX2. I've now culled 4 other early males of the Swazis, still waiting for a female. The Honduran Jamaican females are all in very early flowering, I have one other male of those that I still need to transfer away from the females and I have couple of semiautomatic males from my Jägerschitzel x South African auto project that need to be moved too.
Old Piney
Well-known member
I have done both the indoor bouquet technique and digging the plant and moving. I found it easier to just do a bouquet if the females are ready for pollination. But if they aren't you can buy a little time by cutting the male back and moving, this way you avoid having to store the pollen. Even with moving I usually I still do the indoor bouquet it's just easier with no wind or little bees
Rain came through last night and this morning after pollination day when I shook the males and pulled them. Took extra time for my little pollination trick, where the clusters of stamen are wedged in between the leaflets on the female plants. After a day or so, some of them open up and drop pollen. Wondering how rainfall effects pollination, because I want it to have a good result. I think the sticky stigmas or pistils hold onto the pollen grain and it should be alright if it was dry during pollination. Pollen germinates a tube pretty quick I think to begin the process of fertilization.
Rain can be good though to wash pollen off leaves and reduce pollination so it doesn't go too late after culling males.
Rain can be good though to wash pollen off leaves and reduce pollination so it doesn't go too late after culling males.
I've been neglecting my 9ft tree it needs to get a trim really bad an all the rain has washed out the nutes starting to get some yellow leaves. Tomorrow I'll give it a good feeding an do so trimming. Won't have hours like it probably needs but I'll try to make time a couple days this week to get it looking beautiful
Hasch
learning and laughing
Would love to see more pictures of your beauty!
As a closet grower seeing these ladies in their natural habitat always lifts my heart
revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
Those look amazing, thanks for sharing.
hello,
great thread
here some of my outdoor gear...
the plan was 2 years ago to create a good yielding haze (close as possible to OHz) for outdoors here in the north at 52°N ... need to finish mid october latest...
so i'll was looking around some time and finally found what i'll was looking for...
did many trials OHz with different early outdoor gear but all where to late ...
... finally i'll found Iranian Auto ... did also try different auto's and auto enhanced hybrids...
IA had one pheno' that smelled good ... looked like sativa and was early... startet after 3 month in veg...
so used my OHz male and crossed it with the IA girl... growed' some out in friends garden... 50/50 it was between the girls... 50% more IA and 50% more OHz ... and from the 6 more OHz looking two where early ...
those two i'll took cut's ... reveg under 20/4 and pollinated those with my fav OHz girl reversed... from those i'll had 12 coming... 1 runt or early IA looking... 1 smaller ... and 10 huge looking sativa's
from those ten, two startet flowering in july ... all where above soil on 1 may ... from tose two early flowering i'll took cut's again and will reverse booth to make final seeds for outdoors...
the high was already excellent and the piney smell is also what i'll like ...
so now finally will see after harvest but see yourself... structure and everything else is already there
IA/OHz x OHz S1
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i'll love this slender leaf's ... now let's see how they flowering ;-)
all the best
M.
