Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[floydfanx6]

so basically if im using lc's mix with the bone,blood,kelp,,,i water everytime with ewc/molasses.and LK,,and i can also add guano in late flowering,,it wont be too much,with the dry nutes in it already,,i know u say you dont have to do anything but water,,but if adding a guano tea will put on weight and not burn them il do it

 

[BurnOne]

so basically if im using lc's mix with the bone,blood,kelp,,,i water everytime with ewc/molasses.and LK,,and i can also add guano in late flowering,,it wont be too much,with the dry nutes in it already,,i know u say you dont have to do anything but water,,but if adding a guano tea will put on weight and not burn them il do it

If you do like I do and transplant rooted clones or two week old seedlings in 3 gallon buckets of this stuff, the bone meal is plenty broken down by late flowering to supply enough phosphorous until harvest. I have never seen a need to supplement this recipe.
However, if your plants need more food, by all means feed them.
Burn1

 

[Congobongo]

Quick question regarding the EWC/molasses tea.

I was reading the stickied tea thread and noticed that the consensus on molasses was to use smaller amounts. The recipe listed on the first post uses 1 tablespoon of molasses a gallon. From the stickied tea thread, I was noticing a majority of people using 1 teaspoon a gallon.

Should I stick with the stated recipe or is less better?

 

[BurnOne]

It's not going to hurt anything. I use 1 tbs./gal. Others may use 1 tsp./gal.
Burn1

 

[floydfanx6]

hey burn or anyone: i would like to see some flowering pics,,some results,,if the results are consistant lets see them,,how much are u avg on a plant with yr lights ect...and lets see some pics of plants harvested with lc's mix with the 2 recipes,

 

[floydfanx6]

do u bubble the liqiuid karma in your tea?? im a little confused about that part

 

[plantsman]

Hi
This is a great thread and has helped me loads but it IS massive and apologies if this has come up before...:
I am using soil in my soil mix but it seems that all of the recommended mixes here are soil-LESS?
I dont really understand why you people who are gardening organically wouldnt use soil??
I'm sure theres a perfectly good reason, I would just like to know it ;-)
Thanks in advance

 

[Fresh Start]

yeah, bubble the tea, then add the seaweed and liquid k. use immediately

 

[BurnOne]

hey burn or anyone: i would like to see some flowering pics,,some results,,if the results are consistant lets see them,,how much are u avg on a plant with yr lights ect...and lets see some pics of plants harvested with lc's mix with the 2 recipes,

I never show my grow to anyone EVER. I have never taken a picture of it, showed it to anyone or even mentioned it to anyone I know. But I can tell you I get about two or more ounces from each plant grown naturally (no trimming).

do u bubble the liqiuid karma in your tea?? im a little confused about that part

I put everything in at once. Unless I'm using fish. Then I bubble everything except the fish and pour it in just before using it. It stinks.

Hi
This is a great thread and has helped me loads but it IS massive and apologies if this has come up before...:
I am using soil in my soil mix but it seems that all of the recommended mixes here are soil-LESS?
I dont really understand why you people who are gardening organically wouldnt use soil??
I'm sure theres a perfectly good reason, I would just like to know it ;-)
Thanks in advance

If you use soil from outside, you can bring in pests and diseases that can riun your garden.

Burn1

 

[floydfanx6]

hey burn: im all set,except im a little worried,i read some people posts in yr thread,,people who used 2 gallon pots,,ran into major N deficiancys in flowering,,i have to use 2 gallon pots since im growing in a small cab,,what can i do to be proactive so this doesnt happen to me when i go to flowering,,i read fish emulsion,how often,,and when,,and as u said before u do bubble the fish u add it right before feeding,,,just making sure i dont run into problems later on ty so much

 

[BurnOne]

It all depends on your plants. Most plants need extra N during the stretch that happens the first two to three weeks of flowering. After that, they don't need much N.
You have to learn to "read" your plants to know what they need. And that comes with experience.
What nutes are you using?
Burn1

 

[plantsman]

If you use soil from outside, you can bring in pests and diseases that can riun your garden.

Burn1

Hi
Thanks for the response.
I dont bring in soil from my garden (that would be mental of me!) I use bags of top-soil from a company called westland (UK based).
My (recommended to me) mix is:
2 parts coco coir
2 parts top soil
1 part perlite
1 part worm casts
lime
blood, fish and bone

Its working fine and I am very happy with the ingredients and performance. I just dont understand why your soil mixes dont include any actual soil...? Am I being brain dead? I really dont understand...

 

[floydfanx6]

i was planning on using any nutes,,,well no liquid nutes,,im following recipe # 1 exactly without the greensand...ive grown a bunch i can tell when my plants start to go deficiant,,its just people say this mix in a 2 gallon bucket u get problems
Ive always grown with pbp nutes,,ihave pbp,LK,calmag,hydroplex,,i wasnt planning on using any of these,,just ewc tea with molasses and LK sometimes
can i supplemnt with pbp or should i get somethign else? if you read many peoples plants went deficiant week 4-5 flowering more then usual,when in 2 gallon pots
ty again

 

[floydfanx6]

wasnt* sorry

 

[Brother Bear]

plantsman - it's quite simple friend
there are soil mixes - soil less mixes - hydro - and everything in between
glad your mix works for you

floydfanx6 - i use the mix in 1gal bags and have had no problems with plants being deficiant
try it and see how it does for you
sometimes, i do like to topdress with a bit more mix about half way though flower

ewc tea with molasses and LK sometimes

sounds like a good plan to me

:edit: have YOU seen deficiencies yourself, in the two gal containers ?

 

[floydfanx6]

i have not,,i havent run the mix yet,,,but just from reading,,i dont want to run into any problems,,,i guess i can top dress the soil a bit if needed
the thing is im not growing from clone but from seeds,il start in regular keg cups just the soil mix,,then 2 weeks later add them to the 2 gallon pots with the full dry nute soil mix,,then maybe do another 2-3 weeks veg max,,
according to burn 1,,its better if u water with molasses,ewc,and LK every time,,so il do it,,since i have all the stuff,,,i just dont want to run into problems im about to start mixing up lc's mix

 

[floydfanx6]

since im not growing from clones,,and im using smaller pots,,i was just worried cuz of my slightly longer veg time,,that less nutes will be available at the end of flowering,,

 

[BurnOne]

You can make dried blood tea if you need immediate nitrogen. Start at 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of water and see if it helps.
Burn1

 

[Brother Bear]

according to burn 1,,its better if u water with molasses,ewc,and LK every time,,so il do it

well there you have it my friend, follow his advise

i also run from seed in small bags, started in cups just like you
no problems
good luck and have fun with it

 

[floydfanx6]

1/2 tsp in a stocking in a gallon of water bubbled?? just like the ewc tea? or can i just mix it up with a gallon of water and feed sorry for so many questions just wanna make sure i get it right
last thing: when do u start adding the LK to yr ewc tea,, i guess when there ready for the dry mix,,there ready for the LK also? ty so much