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I had something to say but why bother, Rcky will just neg rep me
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swampdank said:with so many opinions about meters, it seems that some may be omitting the trial and error portion of their expiriences and only adding that they dont need to monitor ph because these little microscopic fairies make sure all is well.
Dignan said:-
Most of us don't have a whole lot to lose by experimenting, anyway. Don't be afraid to muck around with ideas that you may not often hear parroted by stoners on cannabis forums.
Though some would have you believe that their way is the best way... there are a million ways to skin this cat, you can be sure of it.
Dig
B.C. said:Yeah, I played with one fera while also. I had ta see what the ph of -everything- was.
Swampdank (the guy that started this thread) neg repped me in your defense in a different thread and then told me he started this one initially in my defense...but I'm an asshole and should stop wasting his time. Irony?zoolander said:I had something to say but why bother, Rcky will just neg rep me
Buggbuggsuperstar said:Cooter, I couldn't swallow this claim "hook, line and sinker" as some people say so I did a search on yahoo which took me no more than 35 seconds and I came across this. It's from a soil fertility specialist at Clemson Univeristy.
FACTORS AFFECTING SOIL pH
The pH value of a soil is influenced by the kinds of parent materials from which the soil was formed. Soils developed from basic rocks generally have higher pH values than those formed from acid rocks.
Rainfall also affects soil pH. Water passing through the soil leaches basic nutrients such as calcium and magnesium from the soil. They are replaced by acidic elements such as aluminum and iron. For this reason, soils formed under high rainfall conditions are more acidic than those formed under arid (dry) conditions.
Application of fertilizers containing ammonium or urea speeds up the rate at which acidity develops. The decomposition of organic matter also adds to soil acidity.
I don't know if this is a "direct" enough relationship for you between rainfall and ph, or possibly you are more qualified than this individual, but I thought it could add to discussion.
Bugg
So according to both links, soil PH has a number of contributing factors."Soils tend to become acidic as a result of: (1) rainwater leaching away basic ions (calcium, magnesium, potassium and sodium); (2) carbon dioxide from decomposing organic matter and root respiration dissolving in soil water to form a weak organic acid; (3) formation of strong organic and inorganic acids, such as nitric and sulfuric acid, from decaying organic matter and oxidation of ammonium and sulfur fertilizers. Strongly acid soils are usually the result of the action of these strong organic and inorganic acids."
SwampDankswampdank said:good point CC. i see the logic in having tested your soil. but what if you tapwater is abnormally high(or low) ph? how would one find out? trust the water company reports? nah. use rainwater? well that was an idea till the acid rain angle was introduced. it's hard for somebody who doesnt know everything there is to know about growing pot to make a decision on which direction to go.
so, how do i diagnose a ph problem in my garden? how will i know if the microlife are doing their job correctly? is there a way to be certain that my compost tea and ammendments are at the correct levels? trial and error? sorry if i come off as having a rebuttle but my whole reson for starting this thread was for information to improve my garden. seeking knowledge always.
feel free to flame me if you must, just try to give a solid answer to my questions as they are genuine.
Clackamas Coot said:SwampDank
I'm somewhat at a loss about why you would reject, out of hand, the analysis from your local water company. General water management as well as waste-water management is a pretty reliable science overall, i.e. given the water quality in 1st world countries vs. elsewhere. Most of those problems are related to bacteria, fungai and other microbe levels.
CC
swampdank said:my point is... how can i rely on their report when they have been discredited so many times?
congratulations, you were the first to point out coliform in my post. all while dodging my point that i cannot trust the reprots from my utiliies company.
i am fully aware that the fecal coliform levels in my compost tea are probably through the roof.
my point is, the results are always questioned here and testing has been done from private firms that not only agree that the utilities company has lied, but also that they continue to put god knows what into our aquifers. we have two major paper comanies here and both of them have been here for a very long time. they have not changed their practices yet and the water quality has suffered. so, testing it myself would help out.
swampdank said:i think i will grab few of those test strips for the toolbox. tehy seem like they would work well for occasional monitoring of the water.
swampdank said:oh, now reading back, i see that you were not taking a personal shot at me, but rather taking the opportunity to insert some info. i apologize about my tone, its the fatigue talking.