Organic Fanatics - Australia

[wilbur]

ok. so it seems from my reading of the above document that some wattles do fix N and some don't.

and that sometimes those that don't, CAN'T because the necessary innoculants are absent from the soil.

so to determine one way or the other what's happening with the wattles in a particular area scientific testing is necessary.

thus the statement that wattles fix N is too general.

thanks for the read!

 

[High Country]

ok. so it seems from my reading of the above document that some wattles do fix N and some don't.

and that sometimes those that don't, CAN'T because the necessary innoculants are absent from the soil.

so to determine one way or the other what's happening with the wattles in a particular area scientific testing is necessary.

thus the statement that wattles fix N is too general.

thanks for the read!

So you might as well just try it...on different species of acacia sp. Every state in Oz has acacia sp

 

[wilbur]

So you might as well just try it...on different species of acacia sp. Every state in Oz has acacia sp

do you mean try different species to discover which fixes N?

I like wattles but keep them away from my gardens because they suck too much soil moisture.

in the bush they have many functions and I never clear an area of all wattles.

 

[gr0wm3]

Proganics stimuliser http://www.pascoes.com.au/products.php?level=39
This range is available in Bunnings only. They have a cheap range of your standard hydro products. They arent certified and offer no product specs. However i have had good results with their Stimuliser. It is used in very dilute amounts and is great source of silica and "trace elements, enzymes and botanical extracts" I have noticed healthier roots and company claims will cure root rot in 12 hours.
with.

I had been curious as to the efficiency of this product, i usually use complex b-vitamins occasionally, it has a dozen or so interesting components ...... that stimuliser ... i might give it a go now .... cheers

 

[High Country]

I wish organics was more simple...chuck the seed into good soil...water...grow...dry...smoke.

 

[wilbur]

I wish organics was more simple...chuck the seed into good soil...water...grow...dry...smoke.

I went to Nutri-Tech today. was like a kid in a lolly shop. spent $100. now I 've got these goodies and I 've got to think SO hard to work out how they're best used.

a little bit of this, a little bit of that ...

 

[shroomyshroom]

I went to Nutri-Tech today. was like a kid in a lolly shop. spent $100. now I 've got these goodies and I 've got to think SO hard to work out how they're best used.

a little bit of this, a little bit of that ...

LOL loving it

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Hey gr0wn3 yup i reckon its good stuff. Especially for keeping seedlings/clones root systems happy.

I know what you mean Highcountry about keeping it simple. The way i look at it is like building a house. It takes a while to get the foundations in place and the walls up but once the roof is on you can live in it.

Build up a healthy soil, mulch with plants that are available in your own garden or round the corner and just add water. Combining this with the occasional compost tea and EM1 brew or just Gogo juice etc. There are many approaches, i find its the experimental nature that takes time. Once there are routines in place it becomes much simpler and plants will grow themselves more akin to nature.

Outdoors in the ground as nature intended is simplicity itself. Once they are established they are pretty hard to stop. In container growing it can be much more fiddly. However the approach i and others are now taking with no-till and living mulch methods make life much easier and grow happier plants.

For instance i just harvested some plants in 10 litre containers. The remaining root mass and stalk tip is left in place. Topdressed with some new medium and planted some baby seedlings straight on top. They will have plenty of nutrition from the left over biomass.

I also gave them a soil drench with the diy EM1 enzyme i made a couple months ago. Pleased to report that stored in the fridge it still has a super nice pickled cucumber smell.

This stuff will break down the old root system and prevent any nasty anaerobic microbes from getting in.

I plan on sowing some red clover seeds and now am going to transplant some white clover into the pots. This will give the tiny seedlings plants to support it and provide shelter and nitrogen once the clover is more established.

This will be a significant saving in time, effort and $

 

[wilbur]

About Trace Elements and Compost ... and Extra Calcium at Onset of Flowering

About Trace Elements and Compost ... and Extra Calcium at Onset of Flowering

Question 1: I have been wondering lately about how complete is the turkeys nest I am using. You see, I 'm thinking that a natural compost like turkeys nest can only contain those trace elements that are present in the surrounding environment. So, who would agree that any natural compost may be short of particular trace elements?

Question 2: Attached is a photo of the ingredients that comprise Nutri-Tech's “Backyard Boost” foliar nutrient. As you can see a relatively large quantity of Ca is present. At onset of flowering, would this quantity be a useful substitute for the Ca available from eggshells dissolved in vinegar (as discussed earlier in this thread)? I mean, would it do the same job as a foliar feed of calcium acetate dissolved from eggshells?

second pic ... root development in turkeys nest (plant chopped at first sign of male flowers).

Thanks in anticipation ...

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Diversity is king wilbur. If your compost comprised of a mix of deep rooted plants like comfrey, borage or lucerne as well as tree clippings, grass etc it may be reasonably complete... but yeah thats why i use kelp products to make sure the plant is receiving all the trace elements. Rock dust has similar uses.

Kelp from a beach is on my list for a diy liquid soak. I wont rinse, just straight into fresh water. Sea salt also contains the full spectrum of trace elements available on our planet.

I would imagine that would be sufficient calcium wilbur. Nice root ball

 

[wilbur]

Ah, yes Silver. of course, kelp with its many trace elements.

was reading some nutritech stuff and they source three different types of kelp ( ! ) for their scientific needs.

cheers ...

 

[luvaduck]

@ Silver Surfer: Man you are a wealth of information mate. I have learned so much from this thread since it's initiation, especially about the use of household and garden scraps eg egg shell = Calcium Phosphate at bugger all cost. My gardening friends often ask me where i find this information. "The internet" i have found to be the best answer.... i wish they could comprehend the truth in an unbiased way.

 

[luvaduck]

@ wilbur: i'm sure they must have some stoners working at nutritech - their range and info seems so perfect for our purpose!

 

[wilbur]

stoners at N/T?

stoners at N/T?

@ wilbur: i'm sure they must have some stoners working at nutritech - their range and info seems so perfect for our purpose!

well, they have a service where a grower can bring in a leaf and they will analyse it and suggest corrections to feeding. think about that!

it was interesting talking to staff there the other day about flowering ... and no one asked what was being grown.

I thought IF asked I might admit to growing roses as their nutrient needs seem to be similar ... but I don't exactly know if this is true ...

so for stealth purposes when talking to nutritech ... what is the nearest plant in terms of feeding?

cheers!

 

[NiceAussie]

Green House Seeds, Super Lemon Haze. 10 weeks and 2 days. Went into the ground on wednesday.

Some naughty bug/s have been snacking on the leafs.
Is this a big problem? Should i take care of it? With what? Or will it take care of it itself?

Sorry for making this thread a little grow diary. But its an organic plant.

 

[luvaduck]

I find tomatoes a good topic. Had a gardener ask me once if i was talking about "other things", but i got nervous and said no, just tomatoes, oh and maybe some lettuce as well. I'm sure he was cool, though.

 

[luvaduck]

Nice Aussie, Bunnings sells a product called eco oil, which i would try first, and if you can find it, some silica - like eating glass for chewing pests.

 

[wilbur]

who would agree Nice Aussie's plants are being eaten by 'jassids'?

little pale green chewers like nano grashoppers. hard to see but dozens fly out of the plant like a small explosion when disturbed.

I agree with Luva. stomach poison them or treat with Neem. Neem is supposed to work systemically if its added to the soil. (wouldn't know from experience, but proponents of Neem say this.)

look here for Neem systemic info ... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=2792

they'll come back unless the environment in yr garden changes, N A.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Nutritech are awesome to talk to on the phone. They put you through to qualified plant experts. Would be very interesting to take them in a leaf sample lol. Yeah just say its tomatoes you growing.

I would like to be more open about growing weed but it is kinda fun keeping it on the sly But then everyone around these parts seems to have a few plants on the go. We are the biggest users of marijuana worldwide!

Not sure what bug you got Nice Aussie but your plants are looking like they need an acid boost again. You using Seasol? I find it is way too basic (alkaline) for already limed plants. I like to use Nutritechs dry kelp with fulvic acid. Seasol is still excellent product and great for foliar application.

Its up to you but the main priority is to get her super healthy and your bug probs should disappear. So i would just use the neem if you get a serious infestation. It would be a good time to neem but just before flower...

Cheers guys

 

[NiceAussie]

Thanks for the info guys.

When the plant gets a shake nothing flys out from it.

We have seen 1 or 2 tiny pale brown spiders hanging around the top of the plant, so thought it may be spider might? Along with one or two other bugs atacking the plant.
My mate was going to use yates tomato dust on the plants. Its supose to kill a bunch of diffrent mites and other bugs. But he was unsure if the effect on the plant would be negative cause its not a tomato plant?

Anyway ill pass the info on that you guys have been so kind to give.

Thank you