Organic Fanatic Collective

[Scay Beez]

jaykush: I've been testing out this fungi product from my friends at a garden store called T Harz. from Cutting Edge Solutions. It's a specific strain of Trichoderma harzianum that makes phosphorus and calcium available very quickly in the soil. It is used for cuttings and the 1st three weeks of veg to give the roots a boost.

Cutting Edge Solutions has their own chemmy lines of nutes but some of their microorganism products are cool. The owner has been employed by pharmaceutical companies to go around the world and collect bacteria to test for medicines. He has since started his own company doing microorganism research. They also make the Humtea and the Patrol also.

I'd love to learn how to culture these different bacteria and fungi to make my own microorganism inocculants (for personal use, not profit).


- sbz

 

[jaykush]

I'd love to learn how to culture these different bacteria and fungi to make my own microorganism inocculants (for personal use, not profit

i know theres that link or quote for culturing natural soil fungi and bacteria, using the white rice molasses and burying it under some mountain soil/humus/leaf matter. when doing this locally you get microbes that area adapted to the heat, cold, moisture levels of your area. really does wonders on the plants imo but ive only done it once or twice from a few areas under some large oak trees.

 

[Pimpslapped]

Yeah i will. Plants are all lookin real good and stems nice and healthy.

Its only on the plants with the alfalfa mulch.

I will mulch some with pine bark and see if that keeps it down.

It's been a week since the arrival of the Martian MindMold in your pots... you still alive over there? Just curious, hate to think it gotcha already.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Yeah still alive mate

The pine i put down has kept a lid on it but its still lurking away just below.

I certainly dont recommend it...

Lost a few healthy lower branches but just tiny stuff really. The mould has darkened the stems around the base but no serious damage. I have left it there thinking it will die off and turn into some kind of plant food.

I have healthy seedlings growing too that werent affected.

I dont have any air movement in my clone box at mo (working on it) and that with the alfalfa hay and mouldy compost tea spray was bad news i reckon.

Got some azomite in my post box the other day. Can i use it effectively in a tea?

 

[Mr Celsius]

jaykush: I've been testing out this fungi product from my friends at a garden store called T Harz. from Cutting Edge Solutions. It's a specific strain of Trichoderma harzianum that makes phosphorus and calcium available very quickly in the soil. It is used for cuttings and the 1st three weeks of veg to give the roots a boost.

Cutting Edge Solutions has their own chemmy lines of nutes but some of their microorganism products are cool. The owner has been employed by pharmaceutical companies to go around the world and collect bacteria to test for medicines. He has since started his own company doing microorganism research. They also make the Humtea and the Patrol also.

I'd love to learn how to culture these different bacteria and fungi to make my own microorganism inocculants (for personal use, not profit).
- sbz

Huh, you must be in the same area as me. Patrol works like a charm, with root aphids.

 

[Pimpslapped]

Yeah still alive mate

The pine i put down has kept a lid on it but its still lurking away just below.

I certainly dont recommend it...

Lost a few healthy lower branches but just tiny stuff really. The mould has darkened the stems around the base but no serious damage. I have left it there thinking it will die off and turn into some kind of plant food.

I have healthy seedlings growing too that werent affected.

I dont have any air movement in my clone box at mo (working on it) and that with the alfalfa hay and mouldy compost tea spray was bad news i reckon.

Got some azomite in my post box the other day. Can i use it effectively in a tea?

Well, glad to hear everything's under control with only minimal losses to the alien invaders. It's sad that they weren't more beneficial (At least as has been seen thus far) but they were kinda scary looking.

The healthy seedlings mentioned, were they given the same tea that spawned the Martian Mold? Did it just not take on their mulch, did they survive without damage despite infection, or were they untouched by the fungal tea? Just curious.

I'm not sure on the Azomite, but I do believe that it will be somewhat beneficial.. not sure how well it'd work in a tea, but it couldn't hurt IMO. I'd really wait to hear from somebody other than myself though, since I really don't know much.

 

[Smurf]

Some interesting stuff you have there SS, reminds me of 'PyroCLAY', please let us know about your results ... (sorry for the long post)

WHAT IS AZOMITE™?

AZOMITE™ is a soil re-mineraliser and animal feed supplement and is an excellent anti-caking agent.

AZOMITE™ has, on average assay, more than 67 periodic table elements in it, along with some trace minerals and rare earths. If compared with 'fertilisers' generally containing a ratio of N/P/K, AZOMITE™ has perhaps 0.1 to 0.15% N in it. However, modern fertilisers don't have all the unusual mineral elements in them.

AZOMITE™ isn't a rock dust.

AZOMITE™ is volcanic in origin, rather than glacial.

It's a mineralised, compacted volcanic ash, a natural volcanic ash (rhyolitic tuff breccia) sourced from Utah in the USA.

Chemically, AZOMITE™ is a hydrated sodium calcium aluminosilicate (HSCAS) containing minerals and trace elements.

AZOMITE™ is a unique silica clay that is mined from deposits left by an ancient volcano eruption that was ejected out of the side of a mountain and filled a nearby lake bed. Today the geologic characteristic is as an outcropping known locally as a hogback. Also, the deposit is very old, perhaps as much as 30 million years, rather than from the last ice age of perhaps 10-13,000 years. The clay content of the product is @ 5% average and probably ranges +/- 2%."

Nontoxic, AZOMITE™ is not a chemical fertiliser, but a natural element-rich clay provided by Mother Earth.

AZOMITE™ is not created in a laboratory and its nontoxic composition cannot harm the environment.

AZOMITE™ has been subjected to rigorous testing and has been approved for use in large-scale Organic Plant and Livestock production in the United States of America.

AZOMITE™ is:

- Stable Product That Does Not Require Special Attention In Order To Use It.

- Contains 67-70 Trace Elements; 19-20 Needed by Living Systems.

- Certified for Use in Organic Farming.

- Certified for Halal Food Production.

- Approved IN General Category by FDA as GRAS.

- Approved by AAFCO for Use in Animal Feeds.

- AZOMITE™ is the registered trademark of a natural ore that is mined from an ancient volcanic deposit that is found only in the Western USA (in Utah).

- It is sold in several countries, including in the USA, for both plant and animal use as a free-flowing powder that is less than 200-mesh. The factory can also agglomerate the powder into pellets.​

MINERAL ANALYSIS

Minerals and Trace Elements. The typical analysis set forth below shows that AZOMITE™ contains some of every mineral which textbooks list as beneficial. In addition to these minerals which are recognized as beneficial, AZOMITE™ contains a full suite of trace elements through Molybdenum (excluding gases on right side of the period table).

Mineralogically, the material can be described as rhyolitic tuff breccia. Its uniqueness stems from the multitude of trace minerals found in the deposit. Thus, the trade name, AZOMITE™, the A to Z Of Minerals Including Trace Elements.

Chemically, AZOMITE™ is a hydrated sodium calcium aluminosilicate (HSCAS) containing other minerals and trace elements which the national Research Council recognizes to be essential. HSCAS is listed in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (21 CRF 582.2729) as an anticaking agent and is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the FDA.

USA MINERAL ANALYSIS

Typical Mineral Analysis

Alumina (Al2O3)* 11.43%
Barium oxide (BaO) .09%
Calcium oxide (CaO) 3.67%
Carbon (C) .61%
Chlorine (Cl) .22%
Ferric oxide (Fe2O3) 1.37%
Hydrogen (H) .38%
Magnesium oxide (MgO) .78%
Manganese oxide (Mn2O3) .02%
Nitrogen (N) .15%
Oxygen (O) .73%
Phosphorous pentoxide (P5O5) .15%
Potassium oxide (K2O) 5.23%
Silica oxide (SiO2) 65.85%
Sodium oxide (NaO2) 2.07%
Strontium oxide (SrO) .03%
Sulfur trioxide (SO3) .21%
Titania (TiO2) .20%​

• Trace Elements (below) 0.38% LOI @750o C** 6.43%

• *The alumina is not biologically available. It is bound to the silica and is an aluminosilicate. Sand, clay, most rock deposits, and soil deposits are primarily aluminosilicates.

• **LOI - "Loss on Incineration" during the trace analysis by Spark Source Mass Spectrometry.

• Underlined = essential for most living species of plants and animals.

Element Analysis in PPM

Antimony (Sb) 0.4
Arsenic (As) 1.1
Beryllium (Be) 3.3
Bismuth (Bi) 3.5
Boron (B) 29
Bromine (Br) 6.6
Cadmium (Cd) 0.3
Cerium (Ce) 230
Cesium (Cs) 21.7
Chromium (Cr) 6.1
Cobalt (Co) 22.3
Copper (Cu) 12
Dysprosium (Dy)2.7
Eribium (Er) 1.7
Europium (Eu) 3.7
Fluorine (F) 900
Gadolinium (Gd) 3.7
Gallium (Ga) 15
Germanium (Ge) 6.1
Gold (Au) .005
Hafnium (Hf) 21
Holmium (Ho) 0.6
Indium (In) .010
Iodine (I) 2.2
Lanthanum (La) 220
Lead (Pb) 6.2
Lithium (Li) 859
Lutetium (Lu) 0.5
Mercury (Hg) 0.01
Molybdenum (Mo) 12.6
Neodymium (Nd) 5.1
Nickel (Ni) 2.6
Niobium (Nb) 40
Palladium (Pd).008
Praseodymium (Pr) 27
Rhenium (Re) .011
Rhodium (Rh) .002
Rubidium (Rb) 325
Ruthenium (Ru) .013
Samarium (Sm) 6.2
Scandium (Sc) 2.7
Selenium (Se)0.7
Silver (Ag) .005
Strontium(Sr) 380
Sulfur (S) 240
Tantalum (Ta) 2.7
Tellurium (Te) .022
Terbium (Tb) 0.8
Thallium (Ti) 5.9
Thorium (Th) 180
Thulium (Tm) 0.6
Tin (S) 2.9
Tungsten (W) 26
Uranium (U) 6
Vanadium (V) 7.8
Ytterbium (Yb) 1.4
Yttrium (Y) 23
Zirconium (Zr) 62.7
Zinc (Zn) 64.3​

Link to some testimonials,,,,,,when used on flowers....
http://www.azomite.com.au/testimonials/Plants/Flowers/Flower-testimonials.html

when used on peaches....
http://www.azomite.com.au/testimonials/Plants/Peaches/Peach-testimonials.html

when used on trees....
http://www.azomite.com.au/testimonials/Plants/Trees/Tree-testimonials.html

Happy gardening, smurf

 

[Scay Beez]

Got some azomite in my post box the other day. Can i use it effectively in a tea?

Oh yeah! If you got the granular I'd recommend using a mortar and pestle or something to crush to powder so it breaks down faster. Granular works best as a soil amendment, IMO. This stuff is essential, IMO.

Has anyone had any experience with large compost tea brewers (100 - 500 gallons)? I've looked at all the ones SFI recommends but it doesn't seem that there is a perfect brewer. A list of sprayers and water pumps that don't kill the microbes would be nice to start.



- sbz

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

My azomite is the fine powder so i have brewed up a nice bat guano/kelp/molasses/worm casting/azomite/compost tea. Fed the ladies so will see how they like it.

Awesome info smurf! Volcanic trace elements rock the par-tay!!!

The seedlings escaped the martian mould. They were given a light spray of the fungal tea but didnt have any alfalfa mulch... Any dead leaf or branch still moulds away in the box.

Going to give it a good clean out tomorrow and just use pine bark indoors.

 

[jaykush]

http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010117attrasoilmanual/010117attra.html#information

enjoy, long read but covers a lot of ground shall i say

 

[jaykush]

another good link for learning about Mycorrhizae must have pdf reader its a 50 page book that covers a lot of area.

http://www.saviskyproturf.com/28.html

 

[210 x 2]

Dandelions

Dandelions

Has anyone ever heard of using the flower of the dandelion for building Phos. levels in compost? I have been trying to find useful WAYS to build up Phos levels, at present I know of a few, but this dandelion theory will be a great discovery for me as there is an endless supply in the fields by me, and since it's considered a weed by most, I am sure no one will mind the "wierd guy out in the field picking the dandelions"!!
So please, everyone chime in as to what they know will help elevate Phos. levels in compost? There is a thread with a list of basic additives for compost but it didn't say anything about dandelions.

 

[jaykush]

hey i guess you wont be the only one to be picking weeds for the better. ive been known to pick them myself for the compost and they are a good part of the compost activator im working on. i have some info on them i will have to find for you later as i don't know where i put it.

most weed leaves are high in minerals as they bring up the minerals and nutrients that are missing from the topsoil from the sub soils up to the topsoil for the plants to use. people just have no clue what the purpose of weeds are and trash them instantly. especially something as good as a dandelion which the flowers are eatable same as the leaves and roots.

nettles is considered a pest weed but i love it!

 

[Suby]

JK those are some amazing links, I've spent about 2hrs this week reading those, my wife says **** you lol (I'm sure you "Jill" would agree ).

210 x 2 = 420
I'll have a look into that, basically anything that contains higher levels of P or K in them are very good for a flowering compost.

Suby

 

[quadracer]

Has anyone ever heard of using the flower of the dandelion for building Phos. levels in compost? I have been trying to find useful WAYS to build up Phos levels, at present I know of a few, but this dandelion theory will be a great discovery for me as there is an endless supply in the fields by me, and since it's considered a weed by most, I am sure no one will mind the "wierd guy out in the field picking the dandelions"!!
So please, everyone chime in as to what they know will help elevate Phos. levels in compost? There is a thread with a list of basic additives for compost but it didn't say anything about dandelions.

Oh Yeah!!! I use it for compost, plant teas, worm food, human teas, salad, and coffee!

The entire plant is nutritious and can be used, but for some reason only the flowers get the attention for use with plants.

The leaves can be used in salad, and the roots can be boiled to make a good substitute for coffee.

 

[Scay Beez]

210 x 2: Very cool information! Dandelions are a great sustainable renewable resource that grows everywhere. I like to eat the leaves in salads also. Great non citrus/acidic source of vitamin C. Ever had dandelion wine?

I'm working on compiling a list of P and K increasing flowers, so I grow and compost them making a special flowering compost. Borage is another one used in culinary industry. Bioflavonoids are the $H!t.


- sbz

 

[motaco]

Well I know we have the real organic know it alls in here so I figured it'd be as good to ask in here as the rabbit poop thread itself.


rabbit poop is listed as a specific fert level but I know that rabbits are evolved from predators and have an inefficient digestive system. So they eat their own shit. To get the nutrients again better after they are broken down once.

The first time they shit its called a secotroph, and is only half digested with alot more nutrients I'm sure. They second time they shit its called shit.

so is there a fert difference we know about? should you use one or the other? or blend them?

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Here is a useful thing. A compost calculator for getting the right C:N ratio...

http://www.milkwood.net/resources/tools-and-calculators/compost-calculator.html

 

[Guest]

Motaco, I believe you need to compost the fresh but can use the second crap right off. It seems I recall reading that. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it and learn and move on. H3ad and his dad use it. I believe Von was collecting wild rabbit poop. I do know it's great stuff. Great values.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I have been lurking and keeping up to date with the discussions here.

I thought I would tell you all of what I have been using lately in my grows.

Firstly I want to mention that I just recently discovered I have really really soft city water. Anyway, I was always battling an Mg deficeincy.

I was using ewc(compost)/bat guano/kelp/molasses teas and supplimenting with Alaska fish squeezins and Earth Juice Bloom as needed.

Anyway, I have always tried to increase amino acids in my teas but was unsure of the various amino acids that are present in my tea ingredients. The desire to increase amno acids is to add that which LK is supposed to bring to the table. Since I do not use LK I have been looking for a a substitute and I think I have found it.

I acquired a ten pound bag of dehydrated non-fat milk. Well, it was surplus and beyond expiration date for humans.

So I did a search on non-fat dry milk and this is what I find:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201M.html

Just look at those numbers.

Amino acids up the wazoo, Ca, Mg, K, P. The sodium level is in line with kelp and AFS and does not look relatively high.

Anyway, I have been using two heaping tbsns of dry milk powder to one liter my teas (after it has bubbled- I have done it the other way- wow what a mess and smell) and I have seen a tremendious almost exponential jump in health and vigor. Incredable.

Anyway thought I would throw this out for all to read and ponder.

minds_I