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Im really,really slow but... I found y'all! My brothers! 
I have been growing herb a long time... I grew hydro chem weed for 10 years, I used to think that it was the only way you could get it to grow inside! But I have been totally organic for about 11 years now and aside from the fact that it is much easier IMO and less exspensive, aleast for me.( I dont keep that good of track on it but, I dont need a caculator to figure it out!)The best thing about it, is the bud itself... is just more delicious. Not to say that chem weed is not delicious... I just think it is like cake, a cake with artificial sweetner is good but it hardly compares to a cake made with real sugar!
Well I read the thread, some of you guys went to weed college,lol. I love it!
Even after growing as long as I have... I really learned alot from y'all!
Thank, Willie!
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I have been growing herb a long time... I grew hydro chem weed for 10 years, I used to think that it was the only way you could get it to grow inside! But I have been totally organic for about 11 years now and aside from the fact that it is much easier IMO and less exspensive, aleast for me.( I dont keep that good of track on it but, I dont need a caculator to figure it out!)The best thing about it, is the bud itself... is just more delicious. Not to say that chem weed is not delicious... I just think it is like cake, a cake with artificial sweetner is good but it hardly compares to a cake made with real sugar!
Well I read the thread, some of you guys went to weed college,lol. I love it!
Even after growing as long as I have... I really learned alot from y'all!
Thank, Willie!
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wow 21 one years, MAJOR props to you. glad we could help, feel free to join in discussion anytime!
ok ive had an idea recently and couldn't realize why i didnt think of it earlier. farmerjim's thread made me want to post it. what about feeding cannabis with cannabis. the leaves especially. now could you compost them what would be in it? what about ash? i know older family members swear by burning the plant down and mixing the ash into the soil letting it sit for a while then planting the same kind for healthy plants. ive done it to tomatoes and peppers and noticed some improvement but why not cannabis?
maybe its just another brainfart, what do you guys think?
ok ive had an idea recently and couldn't realize why i didnt think of it earlier. farmerjim's thread made me want to post it. what about feeding cannabis with cannabis. the leaves especially. now could you compost them what would be in it? what about ash? i know older family members swear by burning the plant down and mixing the ash into the soil letting it sit for a while then planting the same kind for healthy plants. ive done it to tomatoes and peppers and noticed some improvement but why not cannabis?
maybe its just another brainfart, what do you guys think?
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Hello all,
Jaykush, after you burn it- whats left is pretty much the same as other vegitable matter. The difference would be inteh concentration of the chemicals inteh ash.
The increase you are talking about in your garden from the ash would be about the same if you gave them the same amount of say corn.
In my opinion anyway,
As to your brain fart- happens to me all the time.
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Jaykush, after you burn it- whats left is pretty much the same as other vegitable matter. The difference would be inteh concentration of the chemicals inteh ash.
The increase you are talking about in your garden from the ash would be about the same if you gave them the same amount of say corn.
In my opinion anyway,
As to your brain fart- happens to me all the time.
minds_I
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There is something to the ash thing! I dont know the science behind it but, I know that burning your grass in the fall is family tradition for me. Except for lime & water, thats all I do to the grass... and I have the best lawn on the block!
I burn all leaves that I rake and add the ash to my compost...I doesnt hurt!
All my charcol from cook outs too!
I burn all leaves that I rake and add the ash to my compost...I doesnt hurt!
All my charcol from cook outs too!
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As pointed out to me by Suby this is "outdoor garden concepts". Although I am still going to try, two or three times (1 tea per gal) of lemon skin ash (0/6.33/1.0) for a boost in my flower teas next time around. I did see a difference in bloom I was just over doing it. The worms just don't eat them skins and I don't have a compost bin.
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Willie Nillie said:
As pointed out to me by Suby this is "outdoor garden concepts". Although I am still going to try, two or three times (1 tea per gal) of lemon skin ash (0/6.33/1.0) for a boost in my flower teas next time around. I did see a difference in bloom I was just over doing it. The worms just don't eat them skins and I don't have a compost bin.
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Now my question is, Minds I you may know this,
When my dad was dumping ash on top of hair in a bucket. Was the water in the hair making lye and decomposing it before he put it out? or maybe he was adding water and left that part out?
He spread it twice spring he tilled it in and flower set between rows.
When my dad was dumping ash on top of hair in a bucket. Was the water in the hair making lye and decomposing it before he put it out? or maybe he was adding water and left that part out?
He spread it twice spring he tilled it in and flower set between rows.
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How do you figure shit like that! If I burned something how do I figure that!Jackson_Slade said:
I know how to test if it contain certain nutes but...?
Willie?
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On this very thread by Minds I. alittle farther back there's a link also. I had found that same link before it was posted here Copy/Paste right to notepad when I seen it.Willie Nillie said:How do you figure shit like that! If I burned something how do I figure that!
I know how to test if it contain certain nutes but...?
Willie?
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Willie Nillie said:Im really,really slow
Thank, Willie!
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Told ya, lol! Thanks
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Oh, thats not what I meant. How do they come up with that?
Im not that slow, lol
Im not that slow, lol
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Willie Nillie said:Oh, thats not what I meant. How do they come up with that?
Im not that slow, lol
Sorry missed that one....
Well, I went back to the helpfulgardener link and he doesn't say where he got his info.
But some college horticultural department I'm sure. Seen similar lists on the web in such places.
Hello all,
Jaykush, as far as your dad using hiar and homemade lye-it seems reasonable he dissolved the hair in the lye (which is a potantcy test for lye) making the N soluable before he spread it out. But what concerns me is that lye is terribly caustic and has a pH above 11 so I wonder how much he used and if you live where the soil is very acidic.
Anyway, truefully my friend- ash is more of a hassle then benefit. Now if you live in the middle of nowhere and can't get other supplies or if you are just frugal (as was I) I understand the need but if you can do better with little cash for the ease and consistancy that you need.
If you are going to use wood ash or any ash- then use the chemical processes to get to the potash.
I do understand you though- I have a orange tree for orange ash as well as dissiduous (sp) oak for potash from teh ash. The oak leaves can be steeped into a fine veg tea from what I read. I have a weeping willow tree from which I can get some of the strongest natural rooting hormone ( ihave and it works great-I gave it up in favor of ghetto bubble cloner). I did all these things.
I said screw it- too much hassle. Got myself a bag of earthworm casting, a bag of ffof soil, some high P bat guano, some dry molasses and some liquid kelp and have no issues anymore.
Now as you know hte ffof soil can be duplicated or replaced all together with another mix. But everything else is pretty easy to come by.
minds_I
Addendum:
I have this old (one year) tub of Kellogg's Patio Plus that in the past has proven to be too hot for my plants- or more to the point it may have been too hot for the grower (ahum-thats me) to utilize to my benefit thus toasting anything I put in it.
Before I was just adding peat and perlite and Dlime at 50/20/30 KPP/peat/perlite with 2 tbsn/ gallon of soil.
On top of that, I was suing Alaska fish and EJ Bloom and wood ash for K and pH up.
I was a noobie and had grower issues.
Well, now I have more experience and available plants, time and space to conduct an experiemnt.
I have two AK48 clones that are rooted and are starting to take off and will soon need transplanting.
I was considering using the KPP soil again to see any difference over FFOF.
I like FFOF but it is expensive even at 10 bucks a bag when I can get the Kelloggs for half that and it looks and feels richer.
Heres the ingredient list- in the US, the list is in order of large to small amounts of ingredients.
Anyway, my plan is to make two mixes one of 50/30/20 of ffof/perlite/ewc and another of KPP/perlite/ewc at the same ratios and give it a go. This transplant is into 32 oz cups and they will only stay for 3 weeks so I might be able to decern any differences.
I feel the FFOF does not last long (3-4 weeks) and I was hoping the KPP would outperform the FFOF in that regard as well. If at the time of the second transplant I see no decernable difference I will use the same mixes as above to find out. I will do this all the way through flowering as well. If at the end maybe the chicken shit will give a different flavor and smell.
Anyone else use KPP chime in.
minds_I
Jaykush, as far as your dad using hiar and homemade lye-it seems reasonable he dissolved the hair in the lye (which is a potantcy test for lye) making the N soluable before he spread it out. But what concerns me is that lye is terribly caustic and has a pH above 11 so I wonder how much he used and if you live where the soil is very acidic.
Anyway, truefully my friend- ash is more of a hassle then benefit. Now if you live in the middle of nowhere and can't get other supplies or if you are just frugal (as was I) I understand the need but if you can do better with little cash for the ease and consistancy that you need.
If you are going to use wood ash or any ash- then use the chemical processes to get to the potash.
I do understand you though- I have a orange tree for orange ash as well as dissiduous (sp) oak for potash from teh ash. The oak leaves can be steeped into a fine veg tea from what I read. I have a weeping willow tree from which I can get some of the strongest natural rooting hormone ( ihave and it works great-I gave it up in favor of ghetto bubble cloner). I did all these things.
I said screw it- too much hassle. Got myself a bag of earthworm casting, a bag of ffof soil, some high P bat guano, some dry molasses and some liquid kelp and have no issues anymore.
Now as you know hte ffof soil can be duplicated or replaced all together with another mix. But everything else is pretty easy to come by.
minds_I
Addendum:
I have this old (one year) tub of Kellogg's Patio Plus that in the past has proven to be too hot for my plants- or more to the point it may have been too hot for the grower (ahum-thats me) to utilize to my benefit thus toasting anything I put in it.
Before I was just adding peat and perlite and Dlime at 50/20/30 KPP/peat/perlite with 2 tbsn/ gallon of soil.
On top of that, I was suing Alaska fish and EJ Bloom and wood ash for K and pH up.
I was a noobie and had grower issues.
Well, now I have more experience and available plants, time and space to conduct an experiemnt.
I have two AK48 clones that are rooted and are starting to take off and will soon need transplanting.
I was considering using the KPP soil again to see any difference over FFOF.
I like FFOF but it is expensive even at 10 bucks a bag when I can get the Kelloggs for half that and it looks and feels richer.
Heres the ingredient list- in the US, the list is in order of large to small amounts of ingredients.
Anyway, my plan is to make two mixes one of 50/30/20 of ffof/perlite/ewc and another of KPP/perlite/ewc at the same ratios and give it a go. This transplant is into 32 oz cups and they will only stay for 3 weeks so I might be able to decern any differences.
I feel the FFOF does not last long (3-4 weeks) and I was hoping the KPP would outperform the FFOF in that regard as well. If at the time of the second transplant I see no decernable difference I will use the same mixes as above to find out. I will do this all the way through flowering as well. If at the end maybe the chicken shit will give a different flavor and smell.
Anyone else use KPP chime in.
minds_I
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minds-I uh hair? where did i mention hair? i think that was someone else i wanted to know the npk of cannabis ash. i kind of figured it would be more hassle than benefit and yea its more for i cant find shit i have to make my own everything. which isnt like that around here. still good to know though just in case im stuck on some island and need to make some organic nutes haha.
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Congradulations Suby! More than just cannabiss seed planting at your house I see! Beautiful!
Willie!
Willie!
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I knew it was for me, thanksminds_I said:
I was just pondering there. The soil there must be acidic because they were using it (ash) inplace of the lime, like everybody else used.
I am back to just feeding it (the hair) to my worms again. I figure, (A.) Worm food or (B.) Real slow release N, don't see no wrong either way.
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