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G’day Suby, vonforne, jaykush, guanoman, and the mufflover extraordinaire - minds I, lol .............. have I forgotten anyone?
Just to give you a rough idea of my soil mixes....... I wont bother with ratios or percentages because I’m always changing them, plus I’m always adding new ingredients to “my stable of thoroughbreds” (don’t worry I’m just stoned)
I’ll try to break them up into – macro, secondary and trace/micro amounts, just meaning I use much less of them.
Base
Worm vermiculture (castings) large proportion
Mushroom compost
Peat compost
Another compost that is 1 year old sieved 0.5 – 5mm particles
Coarse washed river sand
Secondary
Spongolite
Zeolite
Cow manure
Peat moss
Composted leaf mulch- (Grevillia Robusta & Port Jackson Fig)
Coco coir – washed & sterilised
Sugar cane mulch
Crushed lava (scoria) excellent stuff
Charcoal (made using mallee stumps)
Perlite
Vermiculite
Isolite
Micro/minute amounts
Soft rock phosphate
Blood & bone
Potash as wood ash
Humic acid (powdered} 70% humic acid - 5% soluble
Humic acid (granulated 2.0 – 5.0mm granules) 70% humic acid – excellent buffer
Guano (powdered)
Pyro Clay (powdered)
Neutrog pellets (chicken carcass)
Dynamic lifter plus (pelletised chicken manure)
Pigeon manure(aged 5 yrs)
I know this old fart has forgotten stuff !
I’ve got a high Calcium compost going atm ......... well, hopefully it will be. Lots and lots of egg shells. I hear the worms love em also. Hopefully be ready for next yrs grow.
How’s the stinging nettle brew been going?
Heres a little trick I do when super cropping or just plain training plants laterally.
Instead of tying down with twine, string etc., I place these hooks with fishing sinkers attached on the branch that I want to train........its so easy just to move them along the branch or remove altogether especially when harvest time comes! Abit like scrog, but with no screen ......... no string ........ no hassle!!!
When your finished throw them into a container ready for the next time.
There's another way I train branches ........ an old bonsai technique..... later though
shit, all this talk about composting etc. makes me wanna go play ............ I’m outa here
happy gardening, cheers fellas
Just to give you a rough idea of my soil mixes....... I wont bother with ratios or percentages because I’m always changing them, plus I’m always adding new ingredients to “my stable of thoroughbreds” (don’t worry I’m just stoned)
I’ll try to break them up into – macro, secondary and trace/micro amounts, just meaning I use much less of them.
Base
Worm vermiculture (castings) large proportion
Mushroom compost
Peat compost
Another compost that is 1 year old sieved 0.5 – 5mm particles
Coarse washed river sand
Secondary
Spongolite
Zeolite
Cow manure
Peat moss
Composted leaf mulch- (Grevillia Robusta & Port Jackson Fig)
Coco coir – washed & sterilised
Sugar cane mulch
Crushed lava (scoria) excellent stuff
Charcoal (made using mallee stumps)
Perlite
Vermiculite
Isolite
Micro/minute amounts
Soft rock phosphate
Blood & bone
Potash as wood ash
Humic acid (powdered} 70% humic acid - 5% soluble
Humic acid (granulated 2.0 – 5.0mm granules) 70% humic acid – excellent buffer
Guano (powdered)
Pyro Clay (powdered)
Neutrog pellets (chicken carcass)
Dynamic lifter plus (pelletised chicken manure)
Pigeon manure(aged 5 yrs)
I know this old fart has forgotten stuff !
I’ve got a high Calcium compost going atm ......... well, hopefully it will be. Lots and lots of egg shells. I hear the worms love em also. Hopefully be ready for next yrs grow.
How’s the stinging nettle brew been going?
Heres a little trick I do when super cropping or just plain training plants laterally.
Instead of tying down with twine, string etc., I place these hooks with fishing sinkers attached on the branch that I want to train........its so easy just to move them along the branch or remove altogether especially when harvest time comes! Abit like scrog, but with no screen ......... no string ........ no hassle!!!
When your finished throw them into a container ready for the next time.
There's another way I train branches ........ an old bonsai technique..... later though
shit, all this talk about composting etc. makes me wanna go play ............ I’m outa here
happy gardening, cheers fellas
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heres that biodynamics info.
http://www.biodynamics.com/biodynamics.html
Smurf: thats a good list, real simple for new people
I always throw egg shells in the compost. i grind everything up before to speed up the process a little bit. throw some old coffee grinds in there too its like crack to the worms i swear.
so far 100% positive results on multiple plants. a friends blowfish plant exploded with growth 2 days after we gave it to it and it was in the final 2 weeks flowering, he said what the hell was in that tea (he uses fox farm). roses seem to LOVE it they have at least twice as many flowers and smell at least 3x stronger, its like weed you walk by and you get a whiff of that dankness. my mint plant smells the best its ever smelled almost like sweet mint candy. theres still further testing to do, see what it mixes with and what it doesn't. im going to try it on some other plants as well.
also i like the weight method, after extensive training you have strings everywhere, and sometimes the buds grow over them lol. those nugs always go to the dogs for further inspection.
http://www.biodynamics.com/biodynamics.html
Smurf: thats a good list, real simple for new people
I always throw egg shells in the compost. i grind everything up before to speed up the process a little bit. throw some old coffee grinds in there too its like crack to the worms i swear.
so far 100% positive results on multiple plants. a friends blowfish plant exploded with growth 2 days after we gave it to it and it was in the final 2 weeks flowering, he said what the hell was in that tea (he uses fox farm). roses seem to LOVE it they have at least twice as many flowers and smell at least 3x stronger, its like weed you walk by and you get a whiff of that dankness. my mint plant smells the best its ever smelled almost like sweet mint candy. theres still further testing to do, see what it mixes with and what it doesn't. im going to try it on some other plants as well.
also i like the weight method, after extensive training you have strings everywhere, and sometimes the buds grow over them lol. those nugs always go to the dogs for further inspection.
I take too many things for granted - ie., when I said lottsa egg shells, I should have stated how many......... on average about 3 - 4 doz / wk.
as for the compost particle size.... I think most ppl know the smaller the waste ........ kitchen or other, the faster it will decompose.
and the worms on crack pun ........ now that was funny shit ....... too early in the morning to be laughing out loud..... I'll end up waking every one !!
I enquired about Biodynamics earlier because you guys are almost doing it now ...... with your teas....... there's just one more step that needs to be done.
ah yeh, the other plant training method is done with annealed copper wire........ real simple ...... just twist the wire around the branch in a helix, or helical angle, starting at the trunk and working your way out along the branch ..... by doing this you can "train" or "bend" branches to grow around corners....... to fill in that last bit of space thats vacant....... once again no strings attached. Should be used on semi - hardwood, but if your careful with the ladies you wont have any problems. Combined with the lead weights, you can train them to do almost anything! I enjoy practicing these methods because people say it can't be done or, you shouldn't do that cause it wont work!!!
When I get home from work I'll try to do an easy to follow pictorial.
Stay safe fellas
as for the compost particle size.... I think most ppl know the smaller the waste ........ kitchen or other, the faster it will decompose.
and the worms on crack pun ........ now that was funny shit ....... too early in the morning to be laughing out loud..... I'll end up waking every one !!
I enquired about Biodynamics earlier because you guys are almost doing it now ...... with your teas....... there's just one more step that needs to be done.
ah yeh, the other plant training method is done with annealed copper wire........ real simple ...... just twist the wire around the branch in a helix, or helical angle, starting at the trunk and working your way out along the branch ..... by doing this you can "train" or "bend" branches to grow around corners....... to fill in that last bit of space thats vacant....... once again no strings attached. Should be used on semi - hardwood, but if your careful with the ladies you wont have any problems. Combined with the lead weights, you can train them to do almost anything! I enjoy practicing these methods because people say it can't be done or, you shouldn't do that cause it wont work!!!
When I get home from work I'll try to do an easy to follow pictorial.
Stay safe fellas
redpenguin01
Member
Anyone know what human ash N-P-K is? I am going to be doing a tribute for a close friend of mine. Thanks.
~Red!
~Red!
Congradualtions Redpenguin, that is offcially the Scariest question anyone has EVER asked in ANY of my threads.
I have no idea but any type of crematory ash will not be of any real suitable value to the soil as there is clthes and shoes and other shit in the ash.
Peace
I have no idea but any type of crematory ash will not be of any real suitable value to the soil as there is clthes and shoes and other shit in the ash.
Peace
Hey Smurf, it's offical your an organic fanatic, nobody I know stockpiles organic elements with the amounts and variety your posting here lol.
I like the mix, it goes against my personal philosophy as far as the complexity of the mix but in the hands of someone that has the experience and know-how it can have it's advantages.
I personnally like using (for soil) the fewest sources of NPK elements, this means that next time I can mesurably reduce a specific element if I notice a def. or toxicity. You can't do this if your using 3 sources of P or K, plus it's very hard to gauge wich element causes a problem with ph when you cocktail your mix like you doing.
I'm also an amateur cook and I know that discoveries are only made when you add a pich of something here and a dash there so feel free to branch out.
I did notice 2 things I consider elemental in pot cultivation with regards to organics missing from your list:
Perlite (~30%)
and dolomite lime (2TBS per gallon of mix)
To me geolite or lavarock or sand don't measure up to perlite and here's why: weight.
Pelite is light, easy for roots to move and get comfy in, sand is dense and heavy plus lava is rough and heavier than perlite, proper rooting throught a LIGHT medium creates a greater rootmass which leads to bigger yields indoor typically.
Peace and welcome aboard,
Suby
looks like i'm back
I like the mix, it goes against my personal philosophy as far as the complexity of the mix but in the hands of someone that has the experience and know-how it can have it's advantages.
I personnally like using (for soil) the fewest sources of NPK elements, this means that next time I can mesurably reduce a specific element if I notice a def. or toxicity. You can't do this if your using 3 sources of P or K, plus it's very hard to gauge wich element causes a problem with ph when you cocktail your mix like you doing.
I'm also an amateur cook and I know that discoveries are only made when you add a pich of something here and a dash there so feel free to branch out.
I did notice 2 things I consider elemental in pot cultivation with regards to organics missing from your list:
Perlite (~30%)
and dolomite lime (2TBS per gallon of mix)
To me geolite or lavarock or sand don't measure up to perlite and here's why: weight.
Pelite is light, easy for roots to move and get comfy in, sand is dense and heavy plus lava is rough and heavier than perlite, proper rooting throught a LIGHT medium creates a greater rootmass which leads to bigger yields indoor typically.
Peace and welcome aboard,
Suby
looks like i'm back
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Hey Suby, I wondered how to answer Redpenguin with out offending him or any one, but then decided for the too hard basket, I even thought of ringing a crematorium for the NPK..........but just at a guess
lots of heavy metals from belt buckles, buttons, jewellery, metallic zips, etc. with possibly toxic elements from polymers and like you suggested, tannins from any leather shoes etc. Where I live ppl do spread their ashes around rose bushes, and they seem to grow ok. But then roses are on the top of the list for 'hard to kill' plants with neglect.
I was pretty pazzed when I wrote that list of ingredients the other day but included a few more yesterday : perlite, vermiculite and isolite.
Like I said earlier, I take too many things for granted. Meaning I expect you to read my mind when I've omitted something. lol
For starters there is dolomite in my cow manure, roughly 20g to every 25kg of manure
The Soft Rock Phosphate in my list has 10% phosphorous, 24% calcium, 26% silica as well as trace elements
As for the lava rock, I know exactly where you're coming from Suby. But this is no ordinary crushed garden scoria. This particular one is used by the agricultural sector. I'll post the specifics for you later.
Cheers fellas...........smurf
lots of heavy metals from belt buckles, buttons, jewellery, metallic zips, etc. with possibly toxic elements from polymers and like you suggested, tannins from any leather shoes etc. Where I live ppl do spread their ashes around rose bushes, and they seem to grow ok. But then roses are on the top of the list for 'hard to kill' plants with neglect.
I was pretty pazzed when I wrote that list of ingredients the other day but included a few more yesterday : perlite, vermiculite and isolite.
Like I said earlier, I take too many things for granted. Meaning I expect you to read my mind when I've omitted something. lol
For starters there is dolomite in my cow manure, roughly 20g to every 25kg of manure
The Soft Rock Phosphate in my list has 10% phosphorous, 24% calcium, 26% silica as well as trace elements
As for the lava rock, I know exactly where you're coming from Suby. But this is no ordinary crushed garden scoria. This particular one is used by the agricultural sector. I'll post the specifics for you later.
Cheers fellas...........smurf
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hey, red ! personally, i think it's great what you have in mind for your friends ashes. we all wind up as compost eventually. i wouldnt worry much about the N P K component; lay him/her on in there .
redpenguin01
Member
Thanks for the responses.. just wanted to see if this could mess up my girls during flower. First grow.. day 11.
Take it easy.
Take it easy.
WhiteWolfman
Member
sTRAWBERRY COUGH DIESEL Grown using straight organic compost and composted used up dirt. Fed with peruvian seabird flower guano teas and topdressed with the fance superphosphorus compost.
GREAT INFO HERE THANKS A MILLION! I KNOW WHERE ILL BE GOING FOR ORGINIC GROWING INFO!
GREAT INFO HERE THANKS A MILLION! I KNOW WHERE ILL BE GOING FOR ORGINIC GROWING INFO!
Hello all,
I found this digging, if it is duplicated elsewhere in the thread-let me know and I will delete it.
I got curious as I was looking at a bucket that had fallen live oak leaves and rain water- well after about 4-5 days it steeped and is pretty dark- so I wondered if I wanted to go thte hassle of making oak leaf tea.
Anyway, while I could- I will stick with the ewc/guano/molasses/kelp teas.
Pics tonight of my AK48 seedlings- they just love those teas.
minds_I
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste
(From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25 (I'm not saying: "Go out and decimate starfish populations at our local beaches" but, the odd starfish would be okay. Incidentally, the edndoskeletons of starfish are made of Calcium Carbonate which, is slow to break down.)
String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0 (Why we throw this stuff away? I have no idea. Look at all that potash!)
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have "freebees" come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE ENTIRE LIST.
I found this digging, if it is duplicated elsewhere in the thread-let me know and I will delete it.
I got curious as I was looking at a bucket that had fallen live oak leaves and rain water- well after about 4-5 days it steeped and is pretty dark- so I wondered if I wanted to go thte hassle of making oak leaf tea.
Anyway, while I could- I will stick with the ewc/guano/molasses/kelp teas.
Pics tonight of my AK48 seedlings- they just love those teas.
minds_I
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste
(From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25 (I'm not saying: "Go out and decimate starfish populations at our local beaches" but, the odd starfish would be okay. Incidentally, the edndoskeletons of starfish are made of Calcium Carbonate which, is slow to break down.)
String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0 (Why we throw this stuff away? I have no idea. Look at all that potash!)
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have "freebees" come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE ENTIRE LIST.
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that's excellent minds I, a good reference point ......... I was only just thinking of doing the same thing myself. Even if it is somewhere else, I think you should leave it here....... after all, this thread is a concerted effort by members to compile an extensive collection of organic do's and dont's.
What about additions, can we pm you, so we dont have to scroll through this thread looking for posts/additions that were made later? Thus keeping a complete list in one post.
What about additions, can we pm you, so we dont have to scroll through this thread looking for posts/additions that were made later? Thus keeping a complete list in one post.
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Relik
Hey minds_I, I had posted a link to that NPK list a couple of weeks ago, and Suby had copied and pasted it in the OFC thread. Not really a problem, though, because I guess some people don't read the whole 15 pages and thus some of them may miss that info. Great for adding variety and creativity to compost and tea mixes!
Peace
Peace
Hello all,
Yeah I have seen other threads with this info in it- it is more or less the same as the others. Perhaps some new info might be gleened from it on sources not yet considered.
As to addition- man, feel free- I just cut and pasted so none of this is my own work.
As to adding to the compost pile- absolutely. Even things like cheap tuna fish and other things.
You know, perhaps as the other organic growers compile the info in this thread for eventual sticky-dom this info could be added.
Perhaps I will write a book.
minds_I
Yeah I have seen other threads with this info in it- it is more or less the same as the others. Perhaps some new info might be gleened from it on sources not yet considered.
As to addition- man, feel free- I just cut and pasted so none of this is my own work.
As to adding to the compost pile- absolutely. Even things like cheap tuna fish and other things.
You know, perhaps as the other organic growers compile the info in this thread for eventual sticky-dom this info could be added.
Perhaps I will write a book.
minds_I
Your absolutely right Relic, page 10, I didn't skip it at all, must have been pazzed when I was reading and forgot about it............ shit, I need to read stuff a minimum of 3 times to absorb it anyway......... something to do with ageing and choofing herb I think 
.....not enough microbes in the brain ! 
.....not enough microbes in the brain !
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vonforne
Hello OFC!, Looks like we have a new addition to the OCF. Smurf has been given the "Suby" welcome and is now an offical member. welcome to all the new posters here at the OFC.
Now to what I'm posting about. i would like to do a grow along inside the OFC. The seeds that I will be growing are MOD seeds Dream Goddess. If some of you do not know what that is, it is GodbudXDreamweaver. I have made the base mix of soil and it is "cooking" right now. I will go from "seed to weed". If you guys don't mind. I will try and touch on what we have all been talking about in here to give some of the peeps a visual aid to go by, if you know what I mean. So off we go.......
First off a pic of the baby's .......Suby will be taking baby pics before long too.
Mod was reporting early that the DG's were only going to get a 40% or so germ. ratio....So i germinated 20 of the 30 seeds that I had gotten as a "freebie" from Seedbay. I'm happy to say that 19 out of 20 are open with 15 in soil. Now only 4 are showing a set of leaves but tomorrow I expect more to show. I used the paper towel method after a 24 hour soak in a solution of Maxi Crop liquid seaweed.
Solution: 2.5 ml per cup of water.
Soak in container of cup for 24 hours in warm place. I place it covered in a warmer location of the house. When a 1/2 tail or greater is showing I placed the seedlings in their new home.
Which is a mixture of Majestic earth peat moss and perlite mix at a ratio of equal parts (50%x50%) I mix a 2.5 gallon container and add 1 tablespoon of Dolomite limestone. The Majestic peat has lime in it and is adjusted to 5.0 to 6.0 out of the bag. The seedlings will do good in this until transplant. I then put the soil in clear beer cups and place the seedling in the cup. I will have them under 40 watt grolux floros. The suggested veg time is about 45 days for this strain.
I use the smaller perlite for this because it is very easy for a stoner to lose the seed in the Big and Chunky stuff.
Now for the soil mixture I will use a basic mix for these seedlings. It has already been mixed. I'm going to use a base soil mix with no additives. Except some compost. It is going to consist of :
2 bags of Majestic peat moss (40 dry quarts)
21/2 5 gallon buckets of perlite
1 bag of Black Velvet mushroom compost (benefical microorganisms)
1 bag of Light warrior for the mycorrhiza
16 litres of Black Gold wormcastings
I will test the Ph in a week and adjust at that time.
I have ran a couple of clones through this mix here is what they look like:
That's all for tonight.
Some bud shots.
Now to what I'm posting about. i would like to do a grow along inside the OFC. The seeds that I will be growing are MOD seeds Dream Goddess. If some of you do not know what that is, it is GodbudXDreamweaver. I have made the base mix of soil and it is "cooking" right now. I will go from "seed to weed". If you guys don't mind. I will try and touch on what we have all been talking about in here to give some of the peeps a visual aid to go by, if you know what I mean. So off we go.......
First off a pic of the baby's .......Suby will be taking baby pics before long too.
Mod was reporting early that the DG's were only going to get a 40% or so germ. ratio....So i germinated 20 of the 30 seeds that I had gotten as a "freebie" from Seedbay. I'm happy to say that 19 out of 20 are open with 15 in soil. Now only 4 are showing a set of leaves but tomorrow I expect more to show. I used the paper towel method after a 24 hour soak in a solution of Maxi Crop liquid seaweed.
Solution: 2.5 ml per cup of water.
Soak in container of cup for 24 hours in warm place. I place it covered in a warmer location of the house. When a 1/2 tail or greater is showing I placed the seedlings in their new home.
Which is a mixture of Majestic earth peat moss and perlite mix at a ratio of equal parts (50%x50%) I mix a 2.5 gallon container and add 1 tablespoon of Dolomite limestone. The Majestic peat has lime in it and is adjusted to 5.0 to 6.0 out of the bag. The seedlings will do good in this until transplant. I then put the soil in clear beer cups and place the seedling in the cup. I will have them under 40 watt grolux floros. The suggested veg time is about 45 days for this strain.
I use the smaller perlite for this because it is very easy for a stoner to lose the seed in the Big and Chunky stuff.
Now for the soil mixture I will use a basic mix for these seedlings. It has already been mixed. I'm going to use a base soil mix with no additives. Except some compost. It is going to consist of :
2 bags of Majestic peat moss (40 dry quarts)
21/2 5 gallon buckets of perlite
1 bag of Black Velvet mushroom compost (benefical microorganisms)
1 bag of Light warrior for the mycorrhiza
16 litres of Black Gold wormcastings
I will test the Ph in a week and adjust at that time.
I have ran a couple of clones through this mix here is what they look like:
That's all for tonight.
Some bud shots.
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vonforne
Do I have the OFC's permission to run this sub-thread?
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Relik
Hi vonforne, glad to see you're starting some new stuff. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't mind seeing a whole grow in this thread. As you said, it might end up being a nice pictorial for newcomers here. However some may state that this thread should remain an info-only thread, and I could understand that. If this should be the case, we could always add pics to some posts? Anyway, the same problem arises: we need stickies in the Organics forum!
Just thought I'd give my input, what do you guys think?
Peace
Just thought I'd give my input, what do you guys think?
Peace
