- Opiated Thai Sticks: Myth or Truth? -

[Donald Mallard]

Sure events in history have only one line ,, obviously

huh??

 

[Cvh]

im not sure you understand how production works ,
folks tend to produce lots ,
its like starting a factory , why start one and only produce a small portion ,
you go all out ,
im quite familiar with how this sort of stuff works as ive been a part of the trade most of my life ....
there are well respected members of the community claiming to have been there during the era of thai stick production ,
as i mentioned already ,, on asking the growers , they were told it was an urban myth ,
do you discount their first hand experience , with boots on the ground , on the spot , at the time , asking the folks doing it ????
sam skunkman , on this forum , said those very words ...

I'm sorry but I'm getting confused about your standpoint.

Firstly you claimed that it was never produced.
Then you claimed that it was even impossible to produce because the regions were 100's of miles apart.
Then you claimed it was impossible to consume it that way.

This was all disproven.

Now you say that it was possible that it was produced but never exported.

This while respected community members claiming they actually scored some.

Don't know what you experienced first hand but swapping your standpoint around with every other post isn't contributing much.

Cheers

 

[Donald Mallard]

you do know what the genre non fiction means right whipped meat ??

doesnt need to be a documentary to be factual , not sure where that is ever a measure of truth ,
if it was made up it would be fiction ....
or even based on fact ....
its not ,, and this is not what the debate has ever been about ,
everyone else accepts the book is about first hand accounts from smugglers , dealers , surfers etc of the thai stick trade back in the day ...

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

It is whipedmeat,,, so the exorcist is true story as well,,, based on true events

 

[Donald Mallard]

I'm sorry but I'm getting confused about your standpoint.

Firstly you claimed that it was never produced.
Then you claimed that it was even impossible to produce because the regions were 100's of miles apart.
Then you claimed it was impossible to consume it that way.

This was all disproven.

Now you say that it was possible that it was produced but never exported.

This while respected community members claiming they actually scored some.

Don't know what you experienced first hand but swapping your standpoint around with every other post isn't contributing much.

Cheers

no , your interpretation is a little messed up mate ,
i have said the same thing all along ,

i have to note , i see two super mods trying to pick a fight with me ,
i thought u guys were trying to reduce the friction on forums ,
as told by another mod to me earlier via pm ,
and here you both are picking a fight with me ,

real clever guys ,, you are a pair of dicks , pretty easy for anyone to see this ..

its clear there is an agenda here , and u have both been manipulated too ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

It is whipedmeat,,, so the exorcist is true story as well,,, based on true events

stop the games funny boy ,
you are an idiot ,, u want me , u know wehre to find me ,
gutless prick ...

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Agenda is a repetative phrase and you are totally wrong qoute me where i say 2 times the same

 

[Donald Mallard]

Agenda is a repetative phrase and you are totally wrong qoute me where i say 2 times the same

what a shining example u set for the rest of the forum mate ,
you should know better ,
you have been reported ....

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Sure, do your "best"..

 

[Cvh]

so explain to me how they moved this wash from one area to the other , and why ??
do you actually know how far we are talking ?? its over 600 km ,
now we are talking 1970s too ,, imagine the quality of the roads then , if you can , oh thats right u have no knowledge you just imagine it from a westerners point of view ....

again only folks with no knowledge of the country and the people can make these sort of statements , its actually evident with all statements of this kind how ignorant of the country and the cultures the person is ,
dj short had no idea , the same as you repeating his made up statements ....

no , your interpretation is a little messed up mate ,
i have said the same thing all along ,

Huh???

 

[Donald Mallard]

I'm sorry but I'm getting confused about your standpoint.

Firstly you claimed that it was never produced.
Then you claimed that it was even impossible to produce because the regions were 100's of miles apart.
Then you claimed it was impossible to consume it that way.

This was all disproven.

Now you say that it was possible that it was produced but never exported.

This while respected community members claiming they actually scored some.

Don't know what you experienced first hand but swapping your standpoint around with every other post isn't contributing much.

Cheers

if you are talking about the video hempy showed , with the eerrr forest of cannabis , which was grown in burma , and we saw a large plant only ,,
with no mention of thai sticks , or adding opium to them ,
i think we need a little more to disprove my stand cvh ,

you twist my words around ,
my stance is and has been the same throughout ,
its obvious u experienced nothing first hand ,
and you are relying on the inaccurate accounts of a narcissist ,
respected member , dont make me laugh ...

 

[Cvh]

if you are talking about the video hempy showed , with the eerrr forest of cannabis , which was grown in burma , and we saw a large plant only ,,
with no mention of thai sticks , or adding opium to them ,
i think we need a little more to disprove my stand cvh ,

you twist my words around ,
my stance is and has been the same throughout ,
its obvious u experienced nothing first hand ,
and you are relying on the inaccurate accounts of a narcissist ,
respected member , dont make me laugh ...

Kinda strange you're still trying to debate this while you said you belief yourself that it possibly existed.

That doesn't disprove Hempy his claims that he managed to score some.

 

[Donald Mallard]

mate ,
you seem to have a problem reading and comprehending ,,

what i have said is quite clear ,
if you cant read and understand it ,,
go back to school ,

you guys want to go pick on an easier target ,
if you were here in the flesh with me now ,
i can assure you ,, there would be no bullying going on ,
you are a pair of keyboard warriors ,,
bloody pathetic and u should be ashamed of those plastic capes you are wearing ,
super mods ,, right ...
hahahaha ...

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Yes sure, you are right, in a parallel universe of yours

 

[Cvh]

I think every single poster said it was both possible , and likely ,
but doubtful on any scale , given the logistics among other things ,
as mentioned , it was a cottage industry in the north east ,
and they probably were not that interested in involving others , escpecially folks growing opium in next door countries ,
and of course it would have been noted by folks like smugglers , growers and others in the industry if there had been any , especially quantity of opiated thai stick ,

and given the reasons from all that have tried opium and cannabis ,
not something most would go back for more, so no reason to produce it on scale since they only want to make stuff that sells readily and the market wants ,
thai stick was in high demand ,, no point adding something to it that wouldnt be received that well , particularly if they needed to ask more for it ...
we are certainly on agreement there , as are most in the thread ...

mate ,
you seem to have a problem reading and comprehending ,,

what i have said is quite clear ,
if you cant read and understand it ,,
go back to school ,

you guys want to go pick on an easier target ,
if you were here in the flesh with me now ,
i can assure you ,, there would be no bullying going on ,
you are a pair of keyboard warriors ,,
bloody pathetic and u should be ashamed of those plastic capes you are wearing ,
super mods ,, right ...
hahahaha ...

Which part I'm not understanding? Don't you say in this post that you belief yourself that it possibly existed?

 

[Cvh]

All right. Back on topic now.

 

[Dime]

People who have never smoked imported Thai are disputing people who were actually there and shipped tons? What motive do these people have to lie? Why would they care if they were opiated or not? They did it for the $.

 

[Dime]

i dunno why they refer to it as udorn ,
its udonthani , which translates to north town ...
sometimes its hard to hear quite what thai people say ,
they are often soft spoken , and some letters merge together ,
like k and g , t and s , its hard to hear exactly what they have said ,
i always try go get the spelling in english some how , then try to pronounce with their accent ,
if i dont hear it properly in the first place that is ...

i grow a thai/chinese root that is similar to ginger , lesser ginger ,
its spelt krachai , but its more a g at the beginning than a k , a little of both ,
takes a little to pronounce properly ,,
gunja , aka kuncha , is much the same sort of thing ...



Mike Ferguson first traveled to Udorn, Thailand during the Vietnam War. With a Thai dictionary and sign language, he told a cab driver that he was a tropical agriculture graduate student interested in seeing a ganja farm. In one village near Udorn, his driver put out the call and everyone scattered. Within minutes, villagers returned with bags and bags of Thai sticks. “It was a cottage industry. They all did it, and it cost about three dollars a kilo!” Ferguson put the load in custom-built boxes, labeled them scientific equipment, and shipped them back to Hawaii air freight. Although Ferguson thought he was playing “Moscow Rules,” surfer scammer Craig Williams heard through the grapevine that Ferguson had just put together another load, and contacted him. Ferguson knew of Williams because he’d a made a name for himself by successfully sailing the first load of Papa Grande’s colitas to Oahu. At the time, the seedless Mexican buds, made famous by the Eagles’ hit song “Hotel California” (1974), were so much stronger than any other pot in Hawaii that the Honolulu Advertiser warned that a new “superpot” had invaded the islands. #fergy#udorn#potpioneers

Nice, I learned what colitas are .

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nice, I learned what colitas are .

yea there is some good information in that book ,
i hear kelly slater (the famous surfer) is thinking of making a movie of it now,
id certainly take note of the information those guys put in the book since it was clearly well-researched and direct from accounts of the people in the trade at the time,
not sure how many people they interviewed all up ,
but 1000 hours of interviews is quite a lot ,
there is several clips on you tube and an interview with one of the main players also ...

i mean if 100 people , who were involved in the smuggling , growing etc , all say the same thing , you really have to lean towards them being accurate ,
vs folks who were never there and have been told stuff second or third hand .. or by shifty dealers etc ...

 

[right]

Consider what uncle fester says in practical lsd manufacturing. He says that putting more expensive methamphetamine in blotter is a myth because you would have to be a philanthropist