lets just stick to the topic and hand hempy and not derail things like you tend too ,
its about opiated thai sticks , not yourself ok ,
just move on or post some long awaited proof of your theories...
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lets just stick to the topic and hand hempy and not derail things like you tend too ,
its about opiated thai sticks , not yourself ok ,
just move on or post some long awaited proof of your theories...
Not sure what you mean by you first statement = truth? You have linked an article about tobacco and opium blend used in limited areas in China? Nothing to do with Thai Sticks and/or opium in Thailand? And yes, people in the Vietnam war were addicted to opium, but what has that got to do with Thai Sticks? It's not news that people have used cannabis and opium together either. The only time I had opium, I mixed it with cannabis. The thai sticks were nothing like an opium effect and it really would have changed the high, and probably not for the best.
HEMPY, I don't think you are being bullied, just that people are frustrated with you. You simply ignored one of the most informed posts by musigny23 who seems to have extensive experience of this, for example. Instead you chose to get defensive and have a go at easier targets and paint yourself as victim.
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History of opium in China is a total other subject and occured in the 19th century lol
Pity I can't ask my uncle about this subject, because he worked at the embassy at that time in Saigon.
Other thing is that Nixon started the war on drugs in 1971 with the establishment of the DEA.If there were opiated marijuana on the market, then would them helped them in their war on drugs propaganda that Cannabis is a gateway drug, but no info about that.
Pity I can't ask my uncle about this subject, because he worked at the embassy at that time in Saigon.
Other thing is that Nixon started the war on drugs in 1971 with the establishment of the DEA.If there were opiated marijuana on the market, then would them helped them in their war on drugs propaganda that Cannabis is a gateway drug, but no info about that.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 1999 (House of Representatives - May 07, 1998)
A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International Trafficking
1973
Thai national Puttapron Khramkhruan is arrested in connection with the seizure of 59 pounds of opium in Chicago. A CIA informant on narcotics trafficking in northern Thailand, he claims that agency had full knowledge
of his actions. According to the U.S. Justice Department, the CIA quashed the case because it may `prove embarrassing because of Mr. Khramkhruans's involvement with CIA activities in Thailand, Burma, and elsewhere.'
MAY 1970
A Christian Science Monitor correspondent reports that the CIA `is cognizant of, if not party to, the extensive movement of opium out of Laos,' quoting one charter pilot who claims that `opium shipments get special CIA clearance and monitoring on their flights southward out of the country.' At the time, some 30,000 U.S. service men in Vietnam are addicted to heroin.
1960
In support of the U.S. war in Vietnam, the CIA renews old and cultivates new relations with Laotian, Burmese and Thai drug merchants, as well as corrupt military and political leaders in Southeast Asia. Despite the dramatic rise of heroin production, the agency's relations with these figures attracts little attention until the early 1970s.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/980507-l.htm
These are also good reads
GOLDEN TRIANGLE: OPIUM, HEROIN, KUOMINTANG, HILL TRIBES AND THE CIA
http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8j/entry-3523.html
The US Opium Wars: China, Burma and the CIA
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/01/the-us-opium-wars-china-burma-and-the-cia/
That is about opium only, not Thai sticks dripped with opium.There is a rumor that the CIA introduced heroin in the Netherlands as a replacement for opium which was smoked by old Chinese people back then.Opium was mostly originated from Commie countries, so to cut the supply they introduced heroin.
yea was interesting reading ,
but not one single mention of cannabis in those areas ,
only small farms capable of producing enough food and some opium ,
nothing else ,
definitely no thai sticks there ....
though we kinda knew that already since the thai sticks were grown in a totally different part of the country
and not by the hilltribe peoples ...
" The cooking is done by adding the raw opium to boiling water. It dissolves, any impurities such as pod fragments floating to the surface with heavier adulterates sinking to the bottom. The solution is passed through cheesecloth or a fine sieve to remove impurities then brought to the boil again and reduced. It is now a clean, brown, mobile fluid known as liquid opium. Very slowly, it is left to simmer until all that remains is a thick, brown paste known as prepared, cooked or smoking opium. This is pressed into moulds or trays and dried once more in the sun until it takes on the consistency of dense modelling clay which will harden as it matures. Much purer than raw opium, the cooked opium is now ready for the addict, the trader or the drug baron's laboratories."
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/booth-opium.html
Morphine is highly water soluble, all alkaloids as far as I know are found in their carbonate forms in the plant, which are polar salts and hence are water soluble generally.. Same for cocaine, mescaline, DMT, etc..etc..opium and its actives are very much water soluble, anyone who's tripped out on opium tea can attest to that.. And yeah not to recommend it to anyone, I lost my best mate to opiates...
Seem like the same old same old but yet no one can say how those sticks was supposedly ”dipped” or otherwise treated with anything that would give you an opium high. Anyone who tried to smoke opium with cannabis as in a joint, pipe or otherwise using normal cannabis techniques for combustion would know that it is not a good way to consume opium and it kind of ruins the cannabis experience trying to administer them both at the same time with the same kind of combustion method. If you ever smoked opium properly you would know, it is quite a potent drug and it is nothing like a cannabis high.
I think we heard all the ”I head from this guy” or ”my buddy’s buddy told me that…” kind of anecdotes one too many times. How did you guys smoke your dipped thai sticks? how did they smoke? The answers from all the ”informed” and ”trusted” anonymous handles here have yet to disclose this.
The ”opium dipped marijuana” was one of the first myths I got told when I was a teen and I didn’t believe it then, I don’t believe it now as it is a really poor idea to mix them like trying to smear it or dip it or spray it or whatever method that has been brought up here. Try it and you will see why!
This is the kind of myth I would expect some novice third time smoker but not from assumed seasoned cannabis smokers…
I think we heard all the ”I head from this guy” or ”my buddy’s buddy told me that…” kind of anecdotes one too many times. How did you guys smoke your dipped thai sticks? how did they smoke? The answers from all the ”informed” and ”trusted” anonymous handles here have yet to disclose this.
The ”opium dipped marijuana” was one of the first myths I got told when I was a teen and I didn’t believe it then, I don’t believe it now as it is a really poor idea to mix them like trying to smear it or dip it or spray it or whatever method that has been brought up here. Try it and you will see why!
This is the kind of myth I would expect some novice third time smoker but not from assumed seasoned cannabis smokers…
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Little off topic here and Not trying to be a smart ass, but where is Elmer ? is he on holiday ?
Also dont want to be a smart ass but extracted more drugs and plants than I can remember, including poppy, pure, crude, cooked..not recommended, I used it for medicine, others did not fare so well and developed habits, anyway, believe me the actives are water soluble in their native state..the entire process around refining opium revolves around it, if for smoking or for processing into its far more harmful derivatives. Looked it up now for my curiosity, you are confusing the freebase and hydrate forms of morphine which are not readily water soluble with the form in the plant..it is not the carbonate but the meconate salt in the plant and is readily water soluble..
https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1950-01-01_3_page004.html
The traditional method for extracting morphine..and its related compounds, relies on morphine in its natural state being water soluble..not saying that the thai sticks were laced LOL I was not there, before I was born, but if someone wanted to, it is entirely possible..
https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1950-01-01_3_page004.html
The traditional method for extracting morphine..and its related compounds, relies on morphine in its natural state being water soluble..not saying that the thai sticks were laced LOL I was not there, before I was born, but if someone wanted to, it is entirely possible..
As a kid I smoked some red oil with an old man who ran the persian carpet store down the road and completely tripped out, floated on home after..I always thought it was laced with opium, years later made my own opium..and hash oil..and it was by my hindsight guess just really strong old school red hash oil coming from the place hash comes from 
..The old man just called it hash oil LOL..
..The old man just called it hash oil LOL..
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acespicoli
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growing those seeds and smoking that trippy weed with friends will always be a fond memory 
“Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment, until it becomes a memory.”
-Dr.Seuss
Think im gonna find gypsy and look up his thai stick and try to relive a little blast from the past
Where is his ts and strain hunter thread?
strange how a high or smell can transport you back in time...
nice thread appreciate it thx
only the best vibes to everyone here enjoy!
romanoweed
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why not grow it acespicoli?
acespicoli
Well-known member
it was magical long nodes viney loose airy sparkling flowers long skinny leaves, old school grassy.
if i get some that look like I remember id give it another round.
gypsy and hempy are the only old school looking ones I have seen lately
https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-v...iva-gypsy-nirvana-landrace-collection?t=65659
romanoweed I know you love the thai / asian sativas
drop some pics if you have em anyone
if i get some that look like I remember id give it another round.
gypsy and hempy are the only old school looking ones I have seen lately
https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-v...iva-gypsy-nirvana-landrace-collection?t=65659
romanoweed I know you love the thai / asian sativas
drop some pics if you have em anyone
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
A interesting read
Opiated Weed: Is There any Truth in it?
https://www.icmag.com/forum/talk-ab...here-any-truth-in-it?postcount=50#post7253534
Cannabis was grown side by side with opium in the Golden Triangle.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
You have what lived in Thailand a few years at best from what 2017 on holiday and your the expert now right Stocktont.
I have never seen you post a plant picture let alone a grow thread and going by your attitude you be to young to have even been around in the 70s and early 80s to even know first hand what a real imported Thai stick was.
Dj Short is some one i would call credible as are many others who have posted in the link i posted to the other thread.
Dj was correct the opiumated Thai Sticks caught many off Gard first time we smoked them was far from a pleasant experience thinking back on it now it could of ended up real bad for many. I scored them 3 times would i again if given a chance hell no.
thankfully not here , he doesnt seem to play nice with others and gets too bitchy ,
specially for a man ,
last time he was here trolling tom hill , he was threatened to be banned for good ,
he hasnt been seen since thankfully ,, he is on an extended holiday from here ,
we can do without smart ass crap from guys like him ...
well since you have no credible evidence of the existence of opiated thai stick ,
other than a few guys who know nothing about Thailand, its weed, where it was grown and by who , etc and never went there ,
the only first hand experience from folks say its an urban myth ,
including the people that grew thai stick weed ,
so present some proof of this fairy tale or chalk it up to exactly what it is , an urban myth ...
the thing you guys tried was just strong weed ,
as posted by everyone with experience , you would know how different it was if it was laced with opium
it would be like smoking opium and nothing else , no weed high at all ,
and stop discounting folks with first hand knowledge just to try and give yourself some ground ,
you have no ground here , your theory has been debunked ... let go of that bone hempy ,
there is no real meat on it , and there never was ...
ive seen you diss dj short also man ,
so dont now say you find him credible ,
you said something else previously about some of his theories ...
