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[LandraceJunkie]

These are the hybrids i have in mind i am about synergy I've put immense amount of thought into these combos and have changed the list 1000's of times..

Ok, you stroke a chord with that word! For me, synergy is probably one of the most fascinating thing about cannabis!

I'm going to go off on a tangent for a bit. Few years ago I was fascinated about perfumes. There are commercial synthetic ones, called 'designer perfumes' because they're usually manufactured by clothing designing companies (like Tom Ford) and then, there's the rest of perfumes like 'niche' and 'artisanal'. The latter is basically the best category, perfumes made by very talented people from the best natural ingredients (some of which are coincidentally found in the same geographical area of the best NLDs, South East Asia).
Usually a trained nose could identify most of the time, most of the ingredients used in the mixture. An 'accord' is defined as being many individuals scents that mix into a completely different and new scent. What is considered to be a 'perfect accord' is when the scents combine in such a manner to the point of the new scent that has been created is so well blended and far from the original ingredients and so unique that even a trained nose could not recognise the ingredients used. That to me would be 'synergistic'.

I think this resembles quite a bit with cannabis, in terms of blending genepools. There are crosses where you can easily identify each trait and figure out which parent or grandparent that particular trait comes from. But every once in a while magic happens, you get this synergistic blend that creates a progeny or a phenotype that is utterly unique and sometimes you can't even recognise the parents' trait, not only that but the progeny is better than each of the parents! Those are the special ones. And just like in perfumery, those synergistic blends don't really happen because of the talent of the breeder, but it's sheer luck most of the time!

I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. Is this the kind of synergy you're talking about? Or you had a different sense of the word in mind?

 

[acespicoli]

@Verdant Whisperer I have to admit I find your lists and the way you are framing it quite intriguing. I haven't got to the chemistry side of cannabis just yet and I don't know much about terpenes and cannabinoids.
How do you classify the terpenes of each strain? You get hints from what they smell like, then infer the most probable combination of the terpenes and then further infer the effects of those combinations? Or is it rather more complex than that (like you maybe have access to some lab equipment and actually test their chemical compounds)?

This is on point, very interesting that you follow the growing environment.
Phenotype
Genotype
Chemotype
Ecotype

• Adaptation
• Speciation

Nice thread @Verdant Whisperer thanks for sharing

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Ok, you stroke a chord with that word! For me, synergy is probably one of the most fascinating thing about cannabis!

I'm going to go off on a tangent for a bit. Few years ago I was fascinated about perfumes. There are commercial synthetic ones, called 'designer perfumes' because they're usually manufactured by clothing designing companies (like Tom Ford) and then, there's the rest of perfumes like 'niche' and 'artisanal'. The latter is basically the best category, perfumes made by very talented people from the best natural ingredients (some of which are coincidentally found in the same geographical area of the best NLDs, South East Asia).
Usually a trained nose could identify most of the time, most of the ingredients used in the mixture. An 'accord' is defined as being many individuals scents that mix into a completely different and new scent. What is considered to be a 'perfect accord' is when the scents combine in such a manner to the point of the new scent that has been created is so well blended and far from the original ingredients and so unique that even a trained nose could not recognise the ingredients used. That to me would be 'synergistic'.

I think this resembles quite a bit with cannabis, in terms of blending genepools. There are crosses where you can easily identify each trait and figure out which parent or grandparent that particular trait comes from. But every once in a while magic happens, you get this synergistic blend that creates a progeny or a phenotype that is utterly unique and sometimes you can't even recognise the parents' trait, not only that but the progeny is better than each of the parents! Those are the special ones. And just like in perfumery, those synergistic blends don't really happen because of the talent of the breeder, but it's sheer luck most of the time!

I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. Is this the kind of synergy you're talking about? Or you had a different sense of the word in mind?

WE are on the same page, synergy as in they blend flawlessly enhancing the orginal perfume without taking away from its essence. they share similiar effects, flavors and profiles, not competing with each other for the spotlight, forming a balanced duet.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

This is on point, very interesting that you follow the growing environment.
Phenotype
Genotype
Chemotype
Ecotype

• Adaptation
• Speciation

Nice thread @Verdant Whisperer thanks for sharing

As well the list of hybrids was chosen with my climate and growing conditions in mind, and some of the strains are grown during diferent times of the year the short season crops are started later so they dont finish in the rains and ussualy grow into nice little 2-3ft tall plants. the indicas and hybrids grow about a foot but will finish okay int he dry sesaon in my tropical highlands climate that doesnt get too hot.

 

[LandraceJunkie]

Oh boy! This is such a cool thread! Glad I found it.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

. And just like in perfumery, those synergistic blends don't really happen because of the talent of the breeder, but it's sheer luck most of the time!

I have to agree that my outlook and style is unique due to my education from cannabis being one of creativity and discovery, I go for what makes sense, and the idea of synergy and crafting strains for your environment that will thirve with the profile and effects you like is the idea. i dont have time to waste trying to get lucky, this is a big investment in my life , you live once and each grow i a memory and special part of our life, and time and i want to get things right from the startt with proper research and though. not everything works out always but its more likely to workout is you have a logical hypothesis based on understandings than just trying to get lucky and think it will work. its complex my perspective to combingin the landraces. I am glad you guys find it unique and it makes me happy to have such interest and positive feedback. and if anyone has a question about a cross for a specific location and effect/flavors i enjoy being a match-maker. I intalliy made this list for myself, to compare landraces, then wanted to share it bcause it was alot of work and i thought others would appreciat it.

 

[LandraceJunkie]

I have to agree that my outlook and style is unique due to my education from cannabis being one of creativity and discovery, I go for what makes sense, and the idea of synergy and crafting strains for your environment that will thirve with the profile and effects you like is the idea. i dont have time to waste trying to get lucky, this is a big investment in my life , you live once and each grow i a memory and special part of our life, and time and i want to get things right from the startt with proper research and though. not everything works out always but its more likely to workout is you have a logical hypothesis based on understandings than just trying to get lucky and think it will work. its complex my perspective to combingin the landraces. I am glad you guys find it unique and it makes me happy to have such interest and positive feedback. and if anyone has a question about a cross for a specific location and effect/flavors i enjoy being a match-maker. I intalliy made this list for myself, to compare landraces, then wanted to share it bcause it was alot of work and i thought others would appreciat it.

Absolutely! Being educated, informed and intentional does increase one's chances (sometimes by A LOT).
I ment that statistically! Most of breeders are not doing that, and that is reflected in the fact that most of the famous hybrids were the result of happy accidents.
Playing with that synergy and being intentional about it is definitely extremely difficult (one of the many reasons I am focused solely on preservation and I wouldn't even dream about breeding).
That is not to say there aren't any good breeders and everything is an accident. Luther Burbank and Nevil were up to something, no one can be THAT lucky!

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Absolutely! Being educated, informed and intentional does increase one's chances (sometimes by A LOT).
I ment that statistically! Most of breeders are not doing that, and that is reflected in the fact that most of the famous hybrids were the result of happy accidents.
Playing with that synergy and being intentional about it is definitely extremely difficult (one of the many reasons I am focused solely on preservation and I wouldn't even dream about breeding).
That is not to say there aren't any good breeders and everything is an accident. Luther Burbank and Nevil were up to something, no one can be THAT lucky!

I am solely focused on preservation mostly as well, <3 these are hybridss i can make while preserving the strains as well by mixing in f1 female donors into the reproductions so i can kilk 2 birds with one stone, preserve the landraces and make desirable f1's that are acclimated for the locals to grow sin-semilla.

 

[LandraceJunkie]

I am solely focused on preservation mostly as well, <3 these are hybridss i can make while preserving the strains as well by mixing in f1 female donors into the reproductions so i can kilk 2 birds with one stone, preserve the landraces and make desirable f1's that are acclimated for the locals to grow sin-semilla.

Well I guess the joke's on me then! I didn't want to even consider breeding, because, well, I wasn't willing to put in the work (or at least THAT work). Problem with that is, you can't really be a good preservationist if you know nothing about breeding. Preservation IS breeding!

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

@LandraceJunkie So there are alot of terpenes but lets focus on the main 5 and what i believe there uses and associations are with cannabis plants. this is my plan to explain my breeding style:

 Understanding Terpenes and Their Roles in Plants: We can explain the role of terpenes in cannabis, why certain terpenes dominate specific strains, and how they affect the plant.

 Environmental and Soil Influence on Terpenes: We’ll explore how different climates and soils impact the terpene production of cannabis plants, and why certain terpenes dominate in specific regions.

 Terpene Profile Groups: Organize landraces into groups based on the dominant-to-tertiary terpene profiles. We’ll tie this to the climate and environment of the regions they come from.

 Synergistic Breeding for Desired Effects: We can walk through how to analyze the profiles for breeding purposes to achieve specific effects in F1 hybrids, explaining how breeders can replicate the environmental factors to get the desired terpene outcomes.

The First step is explaining the CORE Terpenes: You can use this information to dial in the strains. Example would be if you want a strain with more limonene grow in full sun a plant with more spicyness grow in the shade,

UV Protection: Terpenes and Their Environmental Roles​

Plants produce specific terpenes to protect themselves from harmful UV radiation. Two key terpenes involved in this process are limonene and nerol, each adapted to different climates:

1. Limonene:​

• Found in warm climates with high UV exposure.
• Acts as a direct UV shield.
• Suited for consistent sunny, hot environments.
• Offers insect repellent and antioxidant properties.

2. Nerol:​

• Found in cooler climates with fluctuating temperatures.
• Provides UV protection along with cold stress resilience.
• Well-suited for humid environments with increased risk of fungal infections.
• Adds antifungal and antibacterial benefits.

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Alpha-Pinene: Humidity Shield​

• Role: Alpha-pinene acts as a humidity shield, helping to block or repel moisture from the plant, especially in humid environments.
• How it works:
  • It forms a protective barrier on the plant's surface, limiting the absorption of excess moisture, preventing mold, mildew, and other moisture-related threats.
  • Its antifungal and anti-pathogenic properties help protect the plant from moisture-borne threats, allowing it to thrive in humid conditions.

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Beta-Pinene: Humidity Aid​

• Role: Beta-pinene helps plants in drier environments by aiding moisture absorption.
• How it works:
  • In arid or dry regions, beta-pinene helps the plant make the most of limited moisture, assisting in retaining or absorbing humidity from the environment.
  • It supports growth regulation and helps the plant maintain hydration by utilizing the moisture available in dry conditions, promoting overall plant health.

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Summary:​

• Alpha-pinene: Blocks moisture in humid environments, acting as a humidity shield to prevent excess water from causing problems like mold.
• Beta-pinene: Helps absorb moisture in drier regions, acting as a humidity aid to keep the plant hydrated and balanced.

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Terpinolene: Altitude-Dependent Terpene​

Terpinolene is a versatile terpene found in various cannabis strains, known for its woody, herbal, and citrusy aromas. Its presence in plants is often associated with altitude, where it plays a crucial role in helping plants adapt to environmental stressors.

Role: Terpinolene in High Altitudes:​

• Concentration: Terpinolene tends to be more concentrated in plants found in high-altitude environments.
• How it works:
  • UV Protection: At high altitudes, where UV exposure is greater due to thinner atmospheric layers, terpinolene helps protect the plant from harmful radiation by serving as a natural antioxidant.
  • Stress Response: High-altitude regions present variable temperatures and limited moisture. Terpinolene supports the plant's ability to handle cold stress and water scarcity, making it an essential component for plant survival.
  • Insect Repellent: In addition to UV protection, terpinolene offers insect-repelling properties, helping plants avoid pests that may become more prevalent at higher altitudes during warmer periods.

Summary:​

• Terpinolene is most often found in plants adapted to high altitudes, where its properties help the plant cope with increased UV exposure, temperature fluctuations, and insect threats.
• This terpene is critical for ensuring plants thrive in challenging environments, allowing them to develop resilience and maintain healthy growth in mountainous or elevated regions.

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Myrcene and Its Relationship with Latitude and Light​

Myrcene is a crucial terpene with strong connections to how cannabis responds to light cycles and environmental conditions, particularly in terms of latitude.

1. Myrcene and Latitude:​

• Observation: The further from the equator a cannabis strain is grown, the higher the concentration of myrcene tends to be, often alongside elevated CBD levels.
• Why this happens:
  • Light Variability: Cannabis grown in higher latitudes experiences more significant seasonal changes in day length (light hours), which can influence the plant’s circadian rhythm and stimulate myrcene production. Myrcene may help the plant adapt to the increasing variance in light exposure by supporting growth regulation and stress responses.
  • Structural Adaptations: In areas farther from the equator, cannabis plants tend to have leafier structures and thicker branches. Myrcene is found in stem and leaf trichomes, and its higher production may be tied to the plant's need for greater stability and growth control in environments where light and temperature fluctuate more drastically.

2. Myrcene in Indoor and Light-Controlled Growth:​

• Indoor Influence: Cannabis grown under artificial light cycles (e.g., 18/6 for vegetative and 12/12 for flowering) shows significantly higher myrcene production.
  • Light Cycle Changes: The controlled shift from extended light exposure to shorter daylight periods mimics the natural changes that would occur in higher latitudes. This may trigger a higher myrcene response in the plant as it prepares for flowering under variable light conditions.
  • Stress Response: Myrcene helps manage metabolic stress and regulates growth transitions. As light cycles change, the plant must adjust its internal processes, and myrcene aids in making these transitions smoother.

3. Myrcene and Photosynthetic Support:​

• Photosynthesis: While myrcene isn’t directly involved in the photosynthetic process, it regulates circadian rhythms and assists with growth transitions, helping the plant optimize its use of available light, especially under conditions where light exposure is changing frequently.

4. Myrcene’s Environmental Niche:​

• High Latitudes: Myrcene production is highest in regions with greater seasonal light variation. It supports the plant by helping it adapt to changing daylight hours, acting as a metabolic regulator.
• Low Latitudes: Strains near the equator, where light hours are consistent, tend to have lower myrcene concentrations due to steady environmental light patterns.

Summary:​

• Myrcene concentration increases the further from the equator cannabis is grown, helping the plant adapt to changing light conditions and structural demands (leafier growth, thicker branches).
• Indoor grows with significant light cycle changes also show higher myrcene production, similar to what occurs naturally with latitude-driven light variations.
• Myrcene acts as a circadian rhythm modulator and growth transition aid, helping cannabis adjust to changing light exposure and manage metabolic stress during photosynthesis.

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Beta-Caryophyllene (BCP): Growth Regulator in Low-Light Environments​

Beta-Caryophyllene (BCP) plays a critical role in helping plants regulate their growth in response to light availability, especially in shadier environments or when plants experience limited light exposure.

Role: BCP in Low-Light Environments:​

• Concentration: BCP is more concentrated in plants grown in shady conditions or environments with limited light.
• How it works:
  • Growth Regulation: In low-light conditions, BCP helps the plant slow down its growth to conserve energy. It interacts with plant hormones like auxins, regulating the plant’s response to light and promoting conservative growth to maximize available resources.
  • Stress Response: BCP allows plants to manage nutrient scarcity and light-related stress by ensuring efficient nutrient use, resulting in smaller and skinnier plants that focus on survival rather than rapid growth.

BCP and Sunlight Availability:​

• Sunlight and PAR: BCP production is tied to sunlight availability and Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR). In environments with less sunlight, plants produce more BCP to regulate growth and adapt to lower light intensity.
• Shady Cultivation: Growing BCP-rich strains in shady or low-light conditions enhances the terpene profile, as the plant adapts to limited light by increasing BCP levels to control growth and ensure survival.

Summary:​

• BCP is crucial for helping plants slow their growth in low-light environments, ensuring efficient use of resources.
• Higher BCP concentrations are linked to shady conditions or lower PAR, as the plant prioritizes survival over size in such environments.
• Providing shade during cultivation can enhance the BCP profile in strains, encouraging the plant to produce more BCP to cope with reduced light availability.

There is more information coming, its funny how before now i have not seen others express these connections or mention them. Please, after i share my style, just remember the little guy who shared it you all.