*Ongoing* Perpetual Harvest $10k

[2buds]

Learn to diagnose your plant problems correctly. With winter coming insects aren't so bad but a bad diagnosis can ruin a good crop. Grow multiple strains so you don't get tired of the same thing. Even the best strains can get old if you smoke them enough. Tell no one! Jump out there and do it. Build 1 room, find your flaws, its easier to put it in right then to try and redo it when its full of plants. Be ready for some fat power bills. FAT! I'd start up one room and slowly bring the whole thing on line so you don't go from a $100 power bill to a $1000 power bill in a single month. Odor control odor control odor control! Light movers don't really add square footage they just distribute the light better to all sides of the plants. You should be going strong by spring.
Good luck!

 

[EatShitake]

Hey ninja!

Sounds like you've really put a lot of thought into this operation which is a good thing! However, you really can't just have experience without actually getting in there and gettin' dirty. A lot of folks have already chimed in about your lofty goals, and I've gotta do the same.

I would start with one of your rooms first. You'll need to start a pretty good number of plants initially. You'll have to hone your cloning skills. You're gonna need to develop your eye in telling your males from females, and then look at each plant to judge a winner from a mediocre or underperformer. You may wish to start with an easy indica until you get a feel for growth characteristics involving stretch, etc.

If you're gonna veg for a month in an ebb&gro bucket, you'll end up with some MONSTERS going into bloom. This may sound great to the trained ear, but can really end up growing over the head of a new grower in a hurry. I'm not trying to discourage you, on the contrary! I'll just add my 2 cents here to say start a small crop in one room first. Get your feet wet (figuratively, of course!). Then move on to the next steps- cloning, sexing, etc.

This is a great community here! There are many, many knowledgable growers here that are more than able to lend a hand when necessary. However, don't dive in head-first til you've had a chance to assess the depth of the water. You'll see, it's really not that difficult, but rapid growth and huge plants can overwhelm a noob pretty quick, and we're all here to succeed.

So my advice, start a little small (a 15x15 room is huge!), save some $$$ at first until you get a good feel-it ight be one grow, or maybe several, you gotta approach this honestly-get started, and ask plenty of questions. The diligence you've shown already will reward you even greater if you keep it up from the infancy stages all the way to becoming a master gardener!

Good luck, and we're all looking forward to your start!

 

[bobblehead]

Really well put! I don't think you understand the work that goes into keeping these plants going for several months. On a larger scale, filling a 15x15 area, it requires a lot of work. Then when you lose a crop, all your work is lost. Or even if a portion of it is lost, say, to mold, which is very common. What happens when someone slips up and you get robbed? Better not call the cops. Better hope your girlfriend doesn't call the cops. I'm just trying to say that you can't go into this for fun. It's a novel idea hooking up your friends. Smoking them down should be enough though. A 7k watt setup is big, and when your friends can't adequately compensate you for your work, you're going to have to do something with all that bud... Prolly meet some shady people in the process.

If you go through with this, make your money and get out, or at least move...

 

[sneakyninja]

After some consideration: I'm going to continue designing the room but wait a few months to put it in to action. In the meantime i'm going to plan and get all the equipment i need to build a stealth perpetual harvest cabinet w/ 4 plants in each stage of the cycle. I'll do that and bring a couple of cycle's to completion for some practice. Then after that the real fun begins

Thanks for all the help, i will continue to update this thread and also start a new one for my cabinet grow.

 

[Guest]

That is much more sensible, honestly. You'll gain the experience, and you'll have time to see how your friends that you did tell about this act when nothing pans out. You'll be able to supply yourself much safer this way, and you don't need as much when it's just personal plus a little to share here and there, but supplying everyone could cause a vicious cycle of endless greed for the product of your hard work!

It is far better to see you consider YOURSELF and your risk vs. reward. That's a very big part of growing.

So, get your cabinet and let's get the show on the road already....budget doesn't sound like an issue, lol!

 

[Guest]

Meduzer---thanks for the one up. I always wish the best for the brothers and sisters, that young man just doesn't have a grasp on what it takes.

TY from ty-stik

 

[Bonzo]

Hiya sneakyninja! how are ya? I cant beilieve your still here with all the negative aty youve recieved in these 2 pages!! WTF is all this? Sure just about EVERYTHING sneaky has planned is way out of league, so why instead of saying the one thing he needs to hear, hasnt been said yet? Sneaky, dude you need to learn how to gow cannabis before you can do what you want to do and i say that in the most positive way cause man you have found all the wealth and knowledge right here!! One thing that really hit me about your plan was how you had planned on dispersing all that light, you only had one 1k for flower, macster hit the nail on the head there.

So all that crap aside do some reading and learning and not about how to set up 3 15 x 15 s but how sprout a seed bro alot of people think this is as easy as seeds and an (sorry) ebb & grow, thoste thing are dangerous by the way, i can show ya a better way for 1/4 the price, Woooooooooo Hoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway dude i wanna say welcome and i admire your determination and willingness.

peace and i wish you the best!!!

bonz








~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Nam myoho renge kyo!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Guest]

I didn't see any negativity. Just a lot of honesty. Not the way for a first time grower to go...seems you said the same thing. Hmm...

 

[DrBudGreengenes]

After some consideration: I'm going to continue designing the room but wait a few months to put it in to action. In the meantime i'm going to plan and get all the equipment i need to build a stealth perpetual harvest cabinet w/ 4 plants in each stage of the cycle. I'll do that and bring a couple of cycle's to completion for some practice. Then after that the real fun begins

Thanks for all the help, i will continue to update this thread and also start a new one for my cabinet grow.

This is a VERY good idea .....this will allow you to get your feet wet in Perpetual Harvest.....Maybe you should think about adding that to a SOG it is by far the MOST productive way to grow ....and allows you to grow as many kinds as ya want .....we have had 21 at one time in the same room....to do SOG on a large scale requires ALOT of clones....this time will allow you to weed out good mothers from the rest

 

[mac777]

You may want to look into polyshield instead of mylar. Also I don't know what kinda floor you have but plastic is a must. What kinda substrate are you using? I would go sog the first time so you can get it rolling and veg while you wait. You could also avoid buying light movers by buying all 600s instead of 4 1000s.

 

[mac777]

Plus with the lighting alone your going to put out some major poundage
In run 3 1000 watters and I'm hitting 4 lbs /crop every 50-55 days without co2 or a heavy yielder

What substate,how many plants , how long do you veg if at all, and how the **** do you pull 4 off 3 1000s do you weight um wet????? the average is 1 per 1000 so consider that when you get going!

 

[Bonzo]

Dam good advice DrBud! One of the simlest sytems to run and it is a great learning tool because of its versatility, and so mane sizes of trays or you can do it in any container and /or medium you choose, Start out with a basic nute, GH is one of my favorites and the 3 part is really an awesome way to fiddle with and learn what cannabis likes and dis likes , not to mention the 3 Million Strains to choose from, right on sneaky, come visit my thread soon i have alot to show you!

woooooooo hooooooo this feels good

peace!!!!


bonz










~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Nam myoho renge kyo!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[macster]

Mac777- this is my 7 th crop and each has got larger and larger last crop was 3lb. 10 oz. fully dry

I've not hit 4lb. YET but this crop I'm 3 weeks away from is bigger
This is but a small portion of the last crop
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[NiteTiger]

After some consideration: I'm going to continue designing the room but wait a few months to put it in to action. In the meantime i'm going to plan and get all the equipment i need to build a stealth perpetual harvest cabinet w/ 4 plants in each stage of the cycle. I'll do that and bring a couple of cycle's to completion for some practice. Then after that the real fun begins

Thanks for all the help, i will continue to update this thread and also start a new one for my cabinet grow.

Good call bro!

3 1kw is waaaay too much for just smokin' out friends. There's guys around here pulling half pounds out of cabinets regulary, and that's PLENTY for smokin' up and gifting friends. Especially on a perpetual harvest.

Unless you're friends with an entire dorm, I guess LOL

 

[Bonzo]

That is beautifull macster! awesome job, what ,if you dont mind me asking, type of system /setup are ya runnin'? i recently had a 10 x 10 space open up to me, its been long enough i tell ya its been big closets and big cabs for a loong time and its a trip i know every system there is to know just about and biult em all and some of my own creations, anyway now that i have this space that i have been waiting for im not really sure which way i wanna go, also puttin this room together is gonna take some work and some cash, more than i had thought, well im rambling ,sorry for that, i think my first run is gonna be my ebb and flow buckets cause they are so easy and i know em so well and most of all they produce! First run is gonna be i bit getto but thats how i learned all these systems in the first place so thats nothing new.

I would just like to know what kinda filter you run, im gonna have to go big with the filtration, and what growing system you have chosen, some reason im thinkin a nice recurc DWC? prolly way off base, but let me go grab a pic of my buckets and maybe, ill describe the room you could give me a tip or 2.

sorry if a talked your ear off im just eager to get this goin and have limited funds to work with so they have to be out where needed most untill i can just do it all up.

thanks again

peace

bonz









~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Nam myoho renge kyo!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Bonzo]

hello again macster couple of my exoeriments and my e & f buckets that are no experiment, thwy blow the "ebb & grow /multi flow away as far as flood issues and moving parts my system uses gravity to flood and drain from a pump of course but no floats ,no standing ater just a way safer way of doing the same thing, and its an all Home Depot unit except the buckets ,gotta have best quality wide beam buckets, if you can.

this is me cab right now its a top feed "ministadium" thingy using coco chips silica stone and a little hydroton all mixed up for my medium, i highly recomend it, i ran into a mid veg heat wave and gnats had come to visit and somehow the lil ****ers got by me for awile , long enough to firmly lay there larve in my roots , gnatrol took care of em lickity split, that stuff reall works well and never affects the plants in the least, HAAAAAAAAAAA i love it, messes with the ph a little though just gotta keep an eye on it, long story long i couldnt flip em when they were infested with gnats and stunted by 95 + temps so as soon as all was well BAM!! Growth spurt, flipped as soon as i could luchily this is Bogglegum and its not a huge stretcher but some pinching and bending was neccessary, **** im talkin too much , sorry!



cab is 3 x 5, allmoat 8 high, 1k, 465 exhaust and a small CAN filter you can see on the right.

So my ace in the hole system what i call My super simple ebb and flow buckets, i didnt come up with the overflow concept that controls the hieght of flood (thats the "U" shaped peice of pvc) thats above the rez, i just tweaked it a bit and added buckets, the guy who deserves all the credit for what i think is a ****ing brilliant concept uses 2 litre bottles with the bottom cut off and then screwed upsidedown into "t"s along the run. Too small for my needs. These are 2.5 gallon buckets but i have used 5.5 and 5 and combos of the to for extra root space





buckets:










any way theres the buckets, i cant stress enough how so well these things work and i say that in thanks to the genius , i think anyway, that invented this overflow thingy, hes still around by the way, has a lil online store and a huge faq page.


Sorry for all the buckets, what i really need to focus setting up my room/enviroment, couple pics of my "big" room ,a 5 x 6 walk in closet that i stuffed 2k air cooled into, dumbass, shoulda went with 600's, and i got Hydrofarm Daystar hoods and for a minute was happy with 'em even though i thought they were a little flimsy, then a week later i saw the new Sun Systems Super Sun 2, i think it was called anyway same size as my Daystar but just blew it away in every way, biult so well, the lens stayed tight, the cord popped outa the top, and it was mad of a slightly thicker gauge steel, made my daystars look like utter crap, Hydrofarm lost a customer that day no pride in craftmanship, **** that. the set up:























So this is your thread sneaky and i posted all these pics of my setup just to give tou a taste of what it takes to have a safe ,functional setup, its alot of work bro, so many factors to cover and they have to be COVERED or your compromising your security and your crop, its a trip gettin the two to come together tight and right, this was an extra hard one to put 2k in that space and keep it cool with no A/C and no CO2, but i did it and besides the heatwaves in summer , this lil room kicked ass!! Woo Hooooooooooo. So now think of 3 15 x 15 rooms bro, talk about some work, and the thing is every setup isnt the same: You have to think about all the variables like windows , is there an attic, crawlspace, how close are the neiboring houses, what are your neibors like? your gonna be bringin in tons of stuff, better at night for most of it, not to mention makin noise, im gonna stop there cause i dont wanna freak ya out it aint that bad if you have an idea what to look for and in what order things need to be done.

I have a few systems i wanna show ya for cabs and hey i allready showed ya my cab, i made that in panels it can be broken down in 20 minutes.

well i feel as if i have totally gone off the deep end but i just want to helpand that takes talking and afew pics sure helps me!!!

So macster what are your thoughts? I can run like 20 bukets under 3kone hood is a total dinosour with 4" ducts but o have a cooltube lyin around and i would rather us that just for its airflow, i know have an attic to exhaust into, i have 1 465 can fan , 1 150 cfm elicent, i wanted to ask if you know if a blower would do me anygood 1000 cfm. Anyway i sure apreciate your input if i havnt anoyed the hell outa ya I dont know what s up with me today damn blabbermouth!

So sneaky if your still with us and still thinkin hit me or someone up , read some threads, theres a ton way better than what i just tried to describe, you know a couple eh Nite Tiger he he he Best Damn Grow Show? now the dirt!!!

lotta info man

peace, pot and damn i just talked alot!!!

bonz










~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Nam myoho renge kyo!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[macster]

First a small tip Bonz if you remove the THUMB in your pictures and replace with med your pictures will much larger and easier for a old bastard like me to see

Anyhow I grow bogglegum also in an NFT hybrid system
I made 2 tables with rollers on the bottom lined with plastic and on a slant with drains in the low end





Next I've got feeder lines with 1/8 in spagetti lines to each 2 gal plastic pails



3 (1000 watters) over the 2 tables

1 table is 4x8 other table is 4x4

My pumps run 24/7 and the nutes and water drain back to the rez

this method has been cheap and simple and I'm pulling in great numbers(IMO)

I use DNF (dutch nutrient formula)a 2 part nutrient and a bloom fortifier which really made my nugs big and hard
and I've just added DNF gold which is supposed to add more bud sites

I don't veg just 24 hours for a day or two to get the clones acclimatized
I harvest on day 50 (I was harvesting on day 43 but found that the buds realy filled in going that extra week) I could go longer, but this way I can get 6 crops per year.


For smell I run a can 50 with about a 400 cfm fan
I tried a DIY filter but it didn't work so well
I keep my ph at 6.0 and my nute levels at 1400 -1500 ppm

Any other questions I'd be glad to answer

 

[DrBudGreengenes]

What substate,how many plants , how long do you veg if at all, and how the **** do you pull 4 off 3 1000s do you weight um wet????? the average is 1 per 1000 so consider that when you get going!

M777....
You are stuck "In the Box".....
Lets take a trip into Dr.Buds world....
I "Designed" grow rooms for a living for years ......
Grow Opp's do not have to take up half a House.....they have to be efficient
Lets take the 3-1000-'s and put them on a 5' x 15' table ......filled with 4" cubes for a true SOG that will be a total of 675 flowering at a time...we will use "DJ Shorts Blueberry" for the example....8 weeks flowering for the pheno I like we will harvest 84 plants per week Avg. 21 grams per plant...it will be much more when ya' git' dialed in (Perpetual Harvest)
for a total of 1764 DRIED grams per week or 3.9 Lbs per week... :jawdrop:
Forever as long as YOU can keep up with it....
We are the "Weak Link"

A set-up like this will require 4 hours a day......But it's a great part time job....lol

This set-up will require a small support system of 4 - mothers, and a nice clone box, and with Blueberry you will need a 1 week to 9 days for veg area for 168 clones

 

[macster]

Crap that is :jawdrop:

I'm planning on going hydro stadium as per Northern farmer

 

[DrBudGreengenes]

How big ya' wanna go?

How big ya' wanna go?

Crap that is :jawdrop:

????????????

There are 2 rows in the Pic there are 3 more Ya' don't see 250HPS every 30" Ebb & Flow in 4" cubes....MEGA SOG...Do the #'s on that...lol
The Bottom shelf is at the correct height...it took us ALL day to move the rest.....I'm lookin for a pic of the "Processing Room"
Thermal Cooled using a pond outside
CO2 Enriched
This room is a MACHINE