*Ongoing* Perpetual Harvest $10k

[sneakyninja]

First i'll give the guidelines i have to adhere to, followed by my thoughts and ideas.

This is an ongoing design and thought this would be a decent place to get it all written down as it would result in a lot of oversight by people that have done this before. Obviously it isn't going to start out as much but over the course of a month i plan to get this down to my absolute final design. Obviously any constructive input is much appreciated.



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Guidelines
1. (3) 15' x 15' rooms are the absolute total space that could be used by everything including harvesting and processing.

2. I can spend $10k on everything (does not include bills, only equipment)

3. I would like to only spend an hour at this grow a day on normal days, so the more automation the better

4. No odor, Minimal Noise, will be in a semi-suburban neighborhood

5. Keep the plant count vs. yield as good as possible, so no SOG

6. Decent yield but still high quality plant is essential

7. Will be cloning and using mothers

8. Want to keep lights to a max of 6.5KW

9. Up to 50 clones, Up to 40 Veg. plants, and flower 30 plants.

10. I want to harvest once a month.

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My plan was to keep 4 mothers, take 50 clones and choose the 40 best to veg. then the 30 best to flower

Veg for 1 month

Flower for up to 60 days (obv. this is strain dependent)

3 rooms: A (Divided 75% Section1 / 25% section2) | B | C

Clone = Room A Section 2
Mothers = Room A Section 2
Veg = Room A Section 1
Flower (first 30 days) = Room B
Flower (final 30 days) = Room B
Harvest & Process = Room C

Cloning: EZ-Clone 60

Lighting: Will all have built in cooling ducting
(1) T5 4 Bulb 2' x 4' - Clones
(1) 600W Digital Lumatek w/ MH bulb for Mothers
(2) 1000W Digital Lumatek w/ MH bulb for Veg.
(4) 1000W Digital Lumatek w/ HPS bulbs for flower

Light Movers:
(3) Light Rail 3.5
(3) Add a light kits

Hydroponics System
(3) Ebb & Gro System

Testing Supplies
(1) Hanna 9813 pH/EC/TDS Hand held Meter (same as Milwaukee) - PH, EC, TDS
(2) Digital Temp/Humidity Sensors

Air Movement
(6) Regular circulating fans
(3) In line fans to cool Lights (1x each set of 2 of lights) (need suggestions here, each room is apprx 2250 ft3)

Cooling
If the temps start getting too high i will get portable A/C units for each room

Accesories/Misc.
Mylar
Weather Stripping for Doors
Black blinds for windows

Noise Control: Im going to build boxes filled with sound deadening to place the in-line fans in, these will be suspended via bungee cords with rubber coated ends to reduce transmitted noise/vibration

Obviously this post is still a work in progress and i will edit it and add a fair bit of stuff but any suggestions/comments on what i already have typed out would be much appreciated.

 

[Guest]

By Golly, you have that figured out to a tee, you will be making trips to the bank in no time. That is going to take a lot of scratch to buy and set that up. Seeing as how you can only be with the babies and girls for 1 hour a day it will take one helluva lot of automation. They have some efficient power trimmers to handle harvest, the top of the line model tips the balance beam to the tune of $25,000.00. Oh well, you'll get it back in no time.

Ty-Stik

 

[sneakyninja]

I do expect to spend more time than just an hour when i do things like harvest or cut clones.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not with the post though? Internet makes it hard to tell. This isn't intended to be a commercial grow in any way though. Just enough to make it possible for all my friends to smoke as much as they'd like without having to deal with the normal bull shit. After having a gun put in my face just trying to get personals for me and some friends and getting run around many times i've decided it time to just be self sufficient.

 

[Guest]

Not sarcastic at all. A bit humorous but not sarcastic and only because you said a few things that were, humorous that is. Mighty big project for a first time with no experience. Also one of your many friends that you are going to do all of this for will get caught and drop a dime to save their own butt. I think its $1.00 now for a phone booth call.

good luck

 

[sneakyninja]

I have an essential proxy to do this all through. He is the only one that will know where the bud actually comes from, i trust him with my life. Everyone else will just think he got a really good hook up. Even then he will know nothing of the logistics, only that i can get this good bud, for our friends only.

As far as the no experience, i have a $3k buffer in my budget in case i lose a harvest or 2 initially. I also know a few local growers that if needs be i could either bring to the house (don't want to do this b/c i'd rather no one know where the grow is taking place) or take a plant to them to look at.

I much appreciate the input though

 

[plumpm0nkey]

gotta be honest with yourself, would never work out.

 

[sneakyninja]

gotta be honest with yourself, would never work out.

Reasons?

Not trying to be a dick just looking for constructive criticism about the grow itself.

 

[medical_shed]

Start smaller, maybe set half a room up at a time. After your first couple of cycles you'll have a much better idea of what's needed for your environment, style of grow etc.

What you're proposing is far too much for a noob without much time to spend, your grow will feel like a total nightmare of stress and worry when it should be nice and relaxing.

Getting it wrong on a small scale to begin with is much easier to handle than screwing it up on a large scale financially and emotionally.

When it comes to telling your 'essential proxy' about the weed you're going to have you really should wait til you have it before even mentioning it or you'll look like a bit of a dummy.

Good luck with the project but take little steps.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

One day I am going to add up all my receipts from home depot. Plumbing, fixtures, tees, ball valves, fittings to hook hose to pump to drain rez, chains to hang lights from, eye bolts,,s-hooks, electrical panel, breakers, wiring, outlets, outlet boxes, and the list goes on and on. I also had to build a wall so theres wood, drywall, insulation, then I polywrapped the whole room

I am not really sure if you can do it for 10K. maybe.

As far as your first grow and going big, I say f u c k it. Go big or go home. If you can handle the hit if it doesnt pan out the first grow, then do it. If running three rooms, with 3 different systems and rezez, you can screw up two and pull 1 room out.

I never finished a grow but at one time I had a large aero system that I started until it got shut down. But I took the plunge again and am going big as well. 3 tables, 3 rez'es so hopefully things will work out. If they do work out great, if not, oh well, I'll have to try again.

 

[bobblehead]

Putting your freedom at risk to hook up a few friends is stupid. You deserve to be compensated for the risk taken. I also agree with starting off smaller before you go big, because there is a lot to learn. Money will be wasted at first, and there will be no compensation for it. Will that cost be passed on to your "friends"? Sorry if I sound like a dick, I'm just tired, and I believe business and personal relationships should be kept separate.
I don't charge my friends top dollar, but it is business, and I deserve to be compensated.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I agree you should be compensated. If you arent, then how do your friends think you are getting all this weed? Wont take long before they know you are growing it if giving it for free.

Your friends wont be there to pay your legal bills if you get busted

 

[Guest]

I started out thinking commercial growers were the root of all evil and I was going to be the towns cannabis philanthropist,the santa of sativa haha.As my skill,equiptment and addiction to growing increased,I saw things in a very different light.Supplying an excellent product at an excellent price and still being generous on the side is nothing at all to be ashamed of.

 

[sneakyninja]

I will be compensated, maybe not to the extent that commercial growers are, then again i think the fact that i'm only dealing with one person, that i would trust with anything, not just bud related stuff minimizes my risk, and after him the only people that will be getting any are all pretty close friends. I'm not going to get robbed because no one even knows where the grow is, the house it will be done in isn't in my name so a quick check of property in my name would result in nothing.

As far as setting things up and starting slowly, i was going to get everything set up, in all 3 rooms. Then start/turn on the first room when i get seeds to grow mothers and a few plants in. Assuming my plants do fine, i'll take a few mothers out and put the rest in to flower, starting another room. If the plants fail, i'm only out 1 month, not an entire grow cycle. Thats part of the reason i was so attracted to a perpetual harvest. So in a way i'm hoping to get most of my trouble shooting done on the ones that aren't used as mothers from the first small batch.

I really appreciate all the advice guys, its helping me think out everything. Keep it coming.

Any suggestions on what size/model in-line blowers i should use?

 

[Guest]

One other matter to deal with, if you are going to be a real Sneaky Ninja you will have to figure out how to account for a high spike in energy bills for the grow address. (unless it was a commercial use building prior to moving in) Looks like about 7,500 watts plus A/C at maximum power usage.

Ty-Stik

Get it right the first time, losing any money is a bad way to do business.

 

[gdawg]

10k i don't know if it will be enough but i say go for it. i see some things you could save on too. theres all kinds of diy threads on here that will save you tons! i just made a lil bucket-fan odor control that is workin killa, got my whole house smellin like laundry and it only cost me like 15 bucks plus the ona liquid! so read up definately and it would help if you had an experienced hand help set up, but then your talkin about a whole new set of issues. make your own bubble cloners, i haven't had a mother plant in almost two years now, i just take cuttins off my 12/12 girls a week or two in. never been short of cuttins, if anything i throw out alot of potentials while doing the neccesary trimming of bottom growth anyway. oh ya go COCO

 

[sneakyninja]

One other matter to deal with, if you are going to be a real Sneaky Ninja you will have to figure out how to account for a high spike in energy bills for the grow address. (unless it was a commercial use building prior to moving in) Looks like about 7,500 watts plus A/C at maximum power usage.

Ty-Stik

Get it right the first time, losing any money is a bad way to do business.

From everything i have read i shouldn't be too worried about power. I'm not going to be running anything electrical in this house other than grow related stuff. Also with the rooms being seperate i can have plants on different start/end times so that power usage varys and is almost never if not never using everything at once. Am i going to be raising a red flag? Obviously the bill will be automatically paid with a credit card and always on time.

 

[Guest]

sounds like you have it figured out, good luck with the grow.

Ty -Stik

 

[Guest]

lol (3) 15' x 15' rooms 150 plants and you think 1 hour a day! bah... word and listen to Ty-Stik... you account for watts for lights but ac is 1/2 of the light...so if you run 2000w for lights you will use 500-1000w for the a/c especialy during the summer.

sooo 6500w for lights plus 2000-3000 watts for A/C and remeber 150 plants are going to give off alot of moisture.....50 plants will drink 50 gallons a day....or more during flower...and dont forget the biggest issue of all...


WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE SO MUCH WEIGHT?!!?!?!


even if you do setup and run for a while it wont last....and you would have to deal with a shit load of shady people to move your stuff... be careful

 

[Guest]

I wouldn't do such a silly thing involving anyone else. Keep it to yourself. Get a closet or spare room going and you'll have plenty of bud to smoke any time you want. Let your friends come chief once in a while. When you see how much work it is you WILL think different. As a first time grower you should concentrate on getting to the point that YOU don't run out of bud. It's not as easy as it seems sometimes, lol!

You're just sticking a beautiful bald neck out on the chopping block mostly for the benefit of your friends, and leaving most of the bud itself in someone ELSE'S control. No way man. Do your OWN thing...let those guys learn to grow on their own and they can share different strains with you when they have some.

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't risk growing one extra plant for someone else.

 

[macster]

Plus with the lighting alone your going to put out some major poundage
In run 3 1000 watters and I'm hitting 4 lbs /crop every 50-55 days without co2 or a heavy yielder