Oldtimer's Purple Haze off in my brain!!!!

[LostTribe]

LT,

could write a great wall of text about this but in short, don't try to apply hydro techniques to soil grows (fidgety adjustments and constant applications of this or that) and especially with sativas, less is more.

I mean this with all due respect, you obviously can grow and it is a constant learning experience.

I tried to change too many things in my mix at once and this last 4 months have been a total disappointment. Time to go back to basics and start over.

I want to thank you and corky for the encouragement! I just keep trying to hold myself to a higher standard. I will not give any more lime, guano or tap for a while and will update photos again next week. They appear just pale and not totally screwed but I do have fans going yellow and burnt spots, expected. The Hazes are still only really pre flowering the taller one is still throwing new leaf out quite a bit more than the #5 too. Gonna have to tie that bitch down as she's going ape shit! The Zam smells interesting like pine nuts and very earthy. The Zam is a bit yellow on fans too so same ro with ph adjustment only.

Run off for my c99 was 1250 ppm and low ph so adjustments will be made there also.

I just transplanted my 2 week seedlings to hydroton swc to avoid further problems Indican's are going back to basic hydro no more messing around.

 

[wasgedn]

yep mixxing up hydro and soil technic is not the best option...
no need to alter ph on true living soil...
but get the same yield in organic growing like you did in hydro could be a longer journey..
but def no compare between finished products..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPjoh9YJMk&index=1&list=LLqYWtksopZolyoEbbXysrkw

 

[Dr.Suess]

Hey Zues! I finally checked my runoff today and about shit myself off the ppm meter! 1800+ it kept climbing and gave error. Now what? I didnt even bother with the ph at that point. I fed ro with 10ml/gal Liquid Karma and ph'd to 6.3. Must have been the fox farm oceans forest and the extra guano. I mixed it 50/50 with peat too so shit is hotter that a flame thrower!

Wait, you're using organic nutrients and amended soil so you can throw out the ec Meter away as organic nutes don't have any salts for it to measure maybe why its going off the scale

I would just give plain water pH 6.5 for a few wet dry cycles and see what that does and once the plants are healthy take cuts and start again in smaller pots for the pure sativas 6.3ph is way too low for soil, I've found the sweet spot to be 6.8 with some strains

Good luck amigo!

 

[LostTribe]

Wait, you're using organic nutrients and amended soil so you can throw out the ec Meter away as organic nutes don't have any salts for it to measure maybe why its going off the scale

I would just give plain water pH 6.5 for a few wet dry cycles and see what that does and once the plants are healthy take cuts and start again in smaller pots for the pure sativas 6.3ph is way too low for soil, I've found the sweet spot to be 6.8 with some strains

Good luck amigo!

I was barely adding any ph down to get to 6.2 and didnt want to add up and then have to come back down. They aren't toast just yet I will update this week with more picks and try to get some better shots outside the tent. The Zam is just pale but with nice trichome production for the size and health of the plant, probably won't keep the cutting as I think there will be a better smell on another one in the pack. The Hazes are not as yellow but have that leaf problem on the lowers maybe 12% of the total leaves are affected, most lower fans which I am gonna remove anyways so my real concern is mainly that they still haven't really started to amass a bunch of pistil clusters and I am at Day 43 of 11/13. Hopefully the next 2 weeks will bring a bit of a turn around in the pistil department. Males still not dropping pollen yet. I did cull the tall lanky male.

So I have 2 males left of Purple old-timer haze. 1 looks just like my keeper mom while the other is a more dense shorter plant more columnar vs xmas tree in appearance. Leaning on using the shorter columnar one, thoughts?

Positive Vibes!
LT

 

[Dawn Patrol]

my real concern is mainly that they still haven't really started to amass a bunch of pistil clusters and I am at Day 43 of 11/13.

My OTH were moved from supplemental lighting to natural light on July 8th. It was more than 30 days after that when they finally started to show sex. Adjusting for that they are now at approximately 95 days and are nowhere near being done. Flowers look like most strains at 4 weeks. I told you these would test your patience

 

[corky1968]

I told you these would test your patience

LT, I think I told you this already about you harvesting your oldtimer Hazes.

See you next year.

 

[Dr.Suess]

Hey LT

This soil pH chart may help you

 

[LostTribe]

Hey LT

This soil pH chart may help you

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Nice to have that handy thanks!

PICTURE TIME!

Purple Haze #5 All are at day 45 of 11/13.

Close up of Pitils finally pushing through!

One more classic Sativa shot!

I know they don't look their very best but working on trying to fix that.

Cheers,
LT

 

[Dawn Patrol]

I know they don't look their very best but working on trying to fix that.

Cheers,
LT

Honestly, quit trying to "fix" things. IMHE, true sativas can really live up to the "weed" definition. They grow for a really long time and you may have constantly yellowing and dying fan leaves.

If you try to "fix" this with additional nitrogen you will probably prolong the finish and make the plant even larger.

My OTH plants look like shit, and I succumbed to my concerns and added EWC and all it seemed to do is make the plant and all flowering branches just stretch even more. I still have dying fan leaves all over the plant and even wispier flowers and they are over 6 feet tall.

I'm certainly not saying I have it figured out and dialed in, I just really think it's not a plant that will do really well in a container. This is purely anecdotal concerning OTH, but I've grown a few sativas in my time.

The ACE Guatemala was very much the same from the standpoint of looking like shit and having constant dying fans. It really wanted to be planted in the ground and I believe it would have done exponentially better if it was and the same goes for OTH.

By comparison your plant looks pretty good to me at this point.

Did you catch Dubi's point about taking clones from the seed plant and flowering those? If I remember correctly it helps control overall plant size and I believe they finish a little faster.

 

[LostTribe]

Honestly, quit trying to "fix" things. IMHE, true sativas can really live up to the "weed" definition. They grow for a really long time and you may have constantly yellowing and dying fan leaves.

If you try to "fix" this with additional nitrogen you will probably prolong the finish and make the plant even larger.

My OTH plants look like shit, and I succumbed to my concerns and added EWC and all it seemed to do is make the plant and all flowering branches just stretch even more. I still have dying fan leaves all over the plant and even wispier flowers and they are over 6 feet tall.

I'm certainly not saying I have it figured out and dialed in, I just really think it's not a plant that will do really well in a container. This is purely anecdotal concerning OTH, but I've grown a few sativas in my time.

The ACE Guatemala was very much the same from the standpoint of looking like shit and having constant dying fans. It really wanted to be planted in the ground and I believe it would have done exponentially better if it was and the same goes for OTH.

By comparison your plant looks pretty good to me at this point.

Did you catch Dubi's point about taking clones from the seed plant and flowering those? If I remember correctly it helps control overall plant size and I believe they finish a little faster.

I am not a total newb either just haven't grown in soil for ever. This is far from the most un healthy plant I have ever grown too and I know you all aren't trying to diss. Wont be feeding anything but water for the next few weeks at the least with my run off that high. Will check runoff again wednesday if I water again.

Dubi said that cuttings would flower roughly 2-3 weeks faster and would obviously stay more compact. I do have a cutting of the PH#5. I think Corky was totally correct about the use of bluer spectrums of light might get a MH for next time. Its a switchable ballast. I would think that with use of a MH bulb that vegetative growth would need to be extended however.

This is far from over as its just getting blooming so I think it will work out in the end. The taller one doesn't seem as affected. I tied it all the way over this time as it was getting way to tall. Its basically bent over in half at this point just hoping it might quit stretching and just push some tops out of the canopy from here on out.

 

[Dawn Patrol]

You're on the right track, just relax and let the grow happen and see where it goes.

 

[GoatCheese]

The ACE Guatemala was very much the same from the standpoint of looking like shit and having constant dying fans. It really wanted to be planted in the ground and I believe it would have done exponentially better if it was and the same goes for OTH.

By comparison your plant looks pretty good to me at this point.

Haven't grown pure Haze or Nevil's Haze, but people seem to have difficulties with leaves yellowing and falling off with Nev's hazes also ..leaves curling and what not.


One thing i read, is that Haze doen't like to be watered heavily. Rather give them little dosages more often maybe, than a large watering 1-2 times a week that really soaks the medium Super wet..
..but like i said, i have no personal experience, just read about it.


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Your Haze doen't look that bad, LT. Keep at it, bro.


Try to keep things simple, relax and i'm sure you'll be harvesting nice weed in time. No worries.

 

[LostTribe]

Haven't grown pure Haze or Nevil's Haze, but people seem to have difficulties with leaves yellowing and falling off with Nev's hazes also ..leaves curling and what not.


One thing i read, is that Haze doen't like to be watered heavily. Rather give them little dosages more often maybe, than a large watering 1-2 times a week that really soaks the medium Super wet..
..but like i said, i have no personal experience, just read about it.


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Your Haze doen't look that bad, LT. Keep at it, bro.


Try to keep things simple, relax and i'm sure you'll be harvesting nice weed in time. No worries.

They do sort of look overwatered to me so I am trying to wait until they dry out a bit to feed again. Pots are still heavy. I think they will perk up soon. The PH#5 is actually starting to bloom showing more pistils since my last pics.

Never imagined I would be saying starting to bloom at Day 47 of 11/13.....Really pulling for this Purple Old-timers Haze #5 and have been considering popping my huge pack of Nevilles Haze, 17 seeds to go thru too. I imagine the Northern lights influence within those genetics should give rise to not only easier to grow plants but also a sizable reduction in flowering time combined with an increase in vigor and yield, probably resin production as well. I am vegging Sensi Northern Light now as well.

By the time the Old-timers Purple Haze is ready to hit with pollen I might have a Female Sensi NL ready to pollinate as well. When will I get the time to test all of my crosses?? Hmmmmmm......

 

[LostTribe]

Haven't grown pure Haze or Nevil's Haze, but people seem to have difficulties with leaves yellowing and falling off with Nev's hazes also ..leaves curling and what not.


One thing i read, is that Haze doen't like to be watered heavily. Rather give them little dosages more often maybe, than a large watering 1-2 times a week that really soaks the medium Super wet..
..but like i said, i have no personal experience, just read about it.


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Your Haze doen't look that bad, LT. Keep at it, bro.


Try to keep things simple, relax and i'm sure you'll be harvesting nice weed in time. No worries.

Hey GOAT!

I decided to take your advice. I think they do appear overwatered which could be causing my yellowing. They were pretty light today when I pick up the pots so I fed 8 oz of Straight RO at ph6.6.

That Zamaldelica is totally reeking of pistachios and sunflower seeds at the moment. Took a bit to place the scent but its totally right on it.

The Hazes are not really smelling at this point. No Trichomes yet, but pistils started pushing thru this week so hoping they continue.

Really cannot believe its already been 48 Days on 11/13's time flies when your having fun!

So I may need to put 2 C99 in with these 3 and was considering going back to 12/12 but dont want to mess up the hazes and make them think that they are going back to longer days and start vegetative growth again so do I have to leave everything at 11/13? I know that 11/13 for the c99 should only reduce my yield and days a bit....I might be able to bring all of these under the 1k hps for the final 2 to 3 weeks of their bloom cycles but not set on that just yet....

 

[Dr.Suess]

Don't go back to 12\12 plants are very sensitive to the smallest change in lighting hours

 

[LostTribe]

Don't go back to 12\12 plants are very sensitive to the smallest change in lighting hours

I suppose the C99 will go into 11/13 then

 

[Dr.Suess]

You could always take cuts of the haze & cull the seed plants then you can start the C99 under 12\12 while the cuts root then drop back down to 11\13 when the Phaze has rooted and vegged a little under 12\12?

Just throwing an option you may not have considered whatever you decide I'm sure it will work out

 

[LostTribe]

You could always take cuts of the haze & cull the seed plants then you can start the C99 under 12\12 while the cuts root then drop back down to 11\13 when the Phaze has rooted and vegged a little under 12\12?

Just throwing an option you may not have considered whatever you decide I'm sure it will work out

I have a cutting well rooted already. I decided to throw the C99 into 11/13 last night for day1 bloom.

I also fed all of them Straight RO at 7.5 to try to raise the acidity of the mix up as I was getting 5.6 run off last watering. Hope it starts to help.

The Purple Haze is showing signs of blooming onset now so that is exciting!

 

[LostTribe]

Day 51 of 11/13 came and went.....

Plants are looking about the same and the Purple Haze is really going into bloom now for sure I will post pics this week. The tops are all showing wild and crazy looking hairs! No trichomes yet but atleast they are on the move! Here we go! So if this girl was to go say 16 weeks which I think she will prove to be quicker flowering than say the tall lanky girl that I culled last week, then that doesn't even put me at the half way point until the end of this week. I would normally be cutting nutes and flushing my hydro plants by now.

I actually hope this makes my future indica and hybrid grow seem to go a great deal quicker! The C99 is already and day 3! Can't wait for them to finish up probably before these but the Zamaldelica looks like it won't be too much longer as I am already getting red hairs and the blooms seem to be beginning to bulk up a bit. Trichome coverage on the zam is nice too!

 

[seeded]

Growing extreme sativas indoors is almost enough to bring anyone experienced with indicas or even sativa dominate hybrids to tears. The quality helps but when you know you could pull minimally twice as much in half the time from a different plant that's 90% as good it really becomes a labour of love to grow full blooded sativas indoors. From what I've seen though most people never give them up entirely instead opting to give them a corner to grow a bit of a personal stash while the bulk of the garden is reserved for productive strains. It's hard to give them up entirely once you've had a taste lol

I can't wait to see the pics in your next update