Oldtimer's Haze

[Bacchus]

dubi

here is a cross of the X18 x OldTimers Haze. She started out very indica looking, that is until 12/12 lighting was introduced. Holy moly, she stretched x4 times. I was not expecting that. Long thin leaves on top now at 4 weeks of flower. I only have room for her to go another 6, so hopefully she will make it.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i bet she is gonna be nice

 

[dubi]

dubi

here is a cross of the X18 x OldTimers Haze. She started out very indica looking, that is until 12/12 lighting was introduced. Holy moly, she stretched x4 times. I was not expecting that. Long thin leaves on top now at 4 weeks of flower. I only have room for her to go another 6, so hopefully she will make it.

Lovely Bacchus :wink:

Looks a bit stretchy but healthy, robust and strong! Good structure to allow light penetration.

Not sure she will finish on time, 10 weeks is too fast for a straight oldtimer's haze cross, even crossing with indica but i hope to be wrong. Flowering is going to be interesting!

 

[dubi]

hey dubi, probably sick of me, but can you explain the differences in the purple red blue and green pheno types?

(if not maybe just the purple and green if your not in the mood i am askin alot of you recently)

Second, do you think i would be able to do this indoor in about 3 feet from pot to light with a scrog started with about 1 foot of stem, or do you think i would end up with some needle thin 2 foot buds from incredible stretch under 530w's of floursecent always kept at minimum distance from them

Good day lordbudly,

Main differences between red/purple pheno and the green one are obviously the color which is evident at mid flowering (night temps under 15ºC) and the aromas too. Purple haze usually tastes more liquorice and dark grapy, green pheno has more south asian influence and tastes like rancid tropical fruit. Oldtimer's haze population still has a hige diversity of aromas and effects inside. The incensey classic haze aroma can be found in both phenos.

About your second question, hardly from seed but can be done from clone. You should limit haze size with small pots till plants define budsites, this could take months from seed but almost a month less flowering an old and sexual mature haze clone.

 

[dubi]

hello dubi i will thx u very much for the seeds i got!!!! i just tast the finish buds of oldtimers and i most say this is som of the best herb i ever grown out good damn this shit rox!!!! i have never been so high before i almost flying!!!

thx u one more time

peace maffe

Wohoo Maffe!

that's the kind of things we love to hear! A good and correctly matured haze is something real special! Enjoy her friend!

 

[Bacchus]

Lovely Bacchus :wink:

Looks a bit stretchy but healthy, robust and strong! Good structure to allow light penetration.

Not sure she will finish on time, 10 weeks is too fast for a straight oldtimer's haze cross, even crossing with indica but i hope to be wrong. Flowering is going to be interesting!

Unfortunatly, I think you are right on her taking longer than 10 weeks She has even stretched another 8", since the picture. Now her sister is shaping up to be a more managable plant. Still tall and stretchy, but the buds are becomming more compact and more dense. Not as much internodal distance.

I have cloned both, so we will see.





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[charlie garcia]

I am sure youll manage to handle with it. For what Ive seen in this Toms Hill X18 we should always expect a bit of stretch in the hybrid but hope she stops doing it soon
Hope aromas are interesting, lets see how they evolve
have fun amigo
charlie

 

[dubi]

Unfortunatly, I think you are right on her taking longer than 10 weeks She has even stretched another 8", since the picture. Now her sister is shaping up to be a more managable plant. Still tall and stretchy, but the buds are becomming more compact and more dense. Not as much internodal distance.

I have cloned both, so we will see.

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Thanks for the update Bacchus,

I hope you can mature her a bit before cut her, i'm curious to know about the potential of the cross, we havent explored the indica x haze route yet.

Best wishes for next weeks

 

[bigherb]

dubi
The incensey classic haze aroma can be found in both phenos.

INCENSE CLASSIC HAZE AROMA

im glad this is agreed, incense n spice to me is trademark for haze in nyc n too me if its not that church its not fire .not many ic bros hav acknowledged this NOR many breeders for that matter n only greenhouse list these descriptions as taste n aromas.

arjans haze #1 n #2 ,arjans ultra haze #1 n # 2 interestingly g.h. list these hybrids as having s.e. asian roots laos , cambodian ,thai im sur from nevs,another interesting thing was herbalizor has a frankincense nevs cut .might i add that the world famous ssh has a catpiss pheno not many people recognize this catpiss trait wit haze i think this comes from the haze side. i wonder which landraces produce these terpenes as incense. im most interested in frankincense which is supposedly a trait of colombian gold as is sandawood incense listed by dj short an oaxacan gold cedar incense super spicy .SPICY INCENSE CATPISS these flavors most common to me wen i think of frankies the best haze ive eva smoked . dj short also list funeral as a description of mappin the palate .surprisingly ive neva seen this listed as a description of any strain .i associate funeral wit frankincense which is burned during a catholic funeral
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might i add i can honestly say i hav not experienced this incense trait in any of my gh selection on my 4 trips to the cs .hawaian snow was closest thing to wat ino as hazey as was hashplanthaze which by far my favorite gh selection.i hav not had any haze that was close to incense in amsterdam except g13 haze that won the 20th cup .which i believe to hav been da real g13haze from nev.the haze selection in the dam was dissapointing to me ,especially knowing everything haze has made its way to the dam but obviously not the the coffeshops lol

you seem to be very well aquainted wit this incense aroma n its seems you hav a vast knowledege of its make up mexican,colombian,south indian, thai.
ive asked many many times before wat strain this aromas is associacted wit or influenced by ?
anyone familair wit these traits of catpiss n incense?
all i got so far were half answers information i already know n gave

im very interested in the exact lineage of the haze bros haze ,o.haze , nevils haze,oldtimers haze.wat mex's ?wat colom's? wat south indians? wat thais ?
golds , blacks , highland ,lowland .

the sam the skunkman hasnt gotten into this yet maybe will neva kno im hopin will just have to wait for the book. so im just askin for input hope its not too much .

so i ask your opinion

1 luv bigherb

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

Looks like Tom's haze is not so extremely tropical like oldtimer's line, growing them side by side is going to be very interesting! :smile: Thanks for posting it!

Hola Dubi, hows the hazes commin along? grew toms and OT1s haze offerins side by side(OT1s seed came from elsewhere) from seed Toms has a different look, and once flowered out you will see quite a bit of diff in the buds. toms offerin makes a larger calyx.

lookin forward to how you do with um in your area. any new shots/

your friend
CBF

 

[dubi]

dubi

INCENSE CLASSIC HAZE AROMA
another interesting thing was herbalizor has a frankincense nevs cut .might i add that the world famous ssh has a catpiss pheno not many people recognize this catpiss trait wit haze i think this comes from the haze side. i wonder which landraces produce these terpenes as incense. im most interested in frankincense which is supposedly a trait of colombian gold as is sandawood incense listed by dj short an oaxacan gold cedar incense super spicy .SPICY INCENSE CATPISS these flavors most common to me wen i think of frankies the best haze ive eva smoked . dj short also list funeral as a description of mappin the palate .surprisingly ive neva seen this listed as a description of any strain .i associate funeral wit frankincense which is burned during a catholic funeral.

High bigherb,

Incense aromas are usually related to haze breds. One incensey haze male is the father of different dutch hybrids like Jack Herer, SSH, Neville Haze.

Honestly, i love incense expressions, there are a lot of different incense variations,: church incense, minty incense, lemony incense, strawberry incense, dark woody incense, rancid tropical fruity incense, skunky incense ... but old hazes were not always incensey, if you grow only a few Oldtimer's Haze you will find different tastes and aromas varying from black liquor, to dark grapefruit, old noble wood, spices, rancid tropical fruit, and of course incense.

Probably only 10-15% of the first oldtimer's haze we grew had strong incense expression, we keep green and purple haze incensey mothers to breed with.

I believe haze incense aromas are more related to the american sativas than her south asian parentage. You can find incense aromas in other sativas like nepaleses, a few american sativas, asian sativa x africa hybrids etc ....

There's no way to guarantee it's exact parentage, but sure there's a purple highland colombian inside and lots of south asian influence too. At least Sam has documented the last 2 sativas in the hybrid, south indian kerala and thai.

 

[dubi]

Hola Dubi, hows the hazes commin along? grew toms and OT1s haze offerins side by side(OT1s seed came from elsewhere) from seed Toms has a different look, and once flowered out you will see quite a bit of diff in the buds. toms offerin makes a larger calyx.

lookin forward to how you do with um in your area. any new shots/

your friend
CBF

Hazes are doing fine CBF this season, growing our old haze parental plants mainly for seed production. Despite first problems we had with rats (thieves), now they are flowering in safe places. Some hazes started from seed around late august, should finish not before february.

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

^^^ im definitly lookin forward to how they turn out, love your outdoor shots Dubi. some of the nicest grows ive come across.

take care
CBF

 

[bigherb]

dubi

thx you bro ur opinions r valued very much .
im glad this trait is loved and recognized by a reputable breeder as yourself.hopfully many others will hav a chance to experience this aroma we know and love.

i tend to feel the same that these south american strains contributing too this aroma .i think the incense com from early colombian/mexican haze hybrids which i believe to be som of those gems that nyc holds from the 70's.

nyc haze has that frankincense or church incense and wood incense sandal, cedar ,catpiss ,peppery, spicey, im most familiar wit n associate these flavors wit our haze

interestingly sams description for o.haze is fruity,sweet n sour ,rootbeer cola,chocolate,very resinous hashy smell n taste.p.haze stronger not as clear or up a medim purple tasted like rootbeer
hashy n chocolate r the most common flavors i get from his description.

interestingly ive tried love potion which has santa marta cg n i get this lemony incense.

yes sam has said that purple haze was a pheno of purple highland colombian so thats 1 down n s.indian kerala yes 2 .but wat kind of thai .well sam n sacred seeds stabalized the hbh to create the o.haze .so he knows how that goes and sam knew both haze bros n im sure r told sam his recipe.anyway

i hope youll hav an ultimate incense haze line keep savin those purple mothers .

wats ur thought on this catpiss trait r u familar wit this in haze?

i was wondering which oldtimers haze might hav this frankincense i desire or wat line best suits me?

1luv bigherb

 

[dubi]

dubi

thx you bro ur opinions r valued very much .
im glad this trait is loved and recognized by a reputable breeder as yourself.hopfully many others will hav a chance to experience this aroma we know and love.

If you are hazy incensey sativa lover, youll find our catalogue very interesting: bangi haze, tikal, oldtimer's haze, even panama and nepalese jam have incensey details, and they are all very different breds. Bangi haze, panama and nepalese jam have 0 haze genetics.

I believe you can bred an incense aroma by mixing a fruity sativa (mainly citric but strawberry too) with other dark woody spicy sativa. Then inbred and select for the best incense sativa expresions. After stabilize a bit the desired kind of incense, then mix the incensey sativa with a totally different aromaric bred like a minty plant or a skunky plant, then you can get a very complex new incense type or re create some of the best ones we can find today.

Lemony incense is one of the strongest and best sativa expressions. You can find lemony incensey phenos in kali mist, jack herer .... fuma con dios is very lemony but not so incensey... I have found cat piss aromas in cannabis, they are usually powerful terpenes but not my favourite kind of aroma, i prefer fruity mango incense, strawberry incense, dark woody incense and minty incense.

We are reproducing our best green and purple incensey pure hazes, hopefully seeds will be ready around march/april 09.

 

[bigherb]

your da man

ive been eyein bangi haze ive heard great reviews as its known for that incense aroma.im very interested in destroyer i believe i was told there was colombian wacky weed in its make up.your tikal sounds quite interesting .

im a haze lover ,but i love that narcotic stone and dark tasting bud the affies produce not too big on da fruit.my favorite incense is the church incense or funeral we know as frankincense.

can you suggest which strain resembles this funeral frankincense description most that is available or still alive?

im very curious too know currently what your smoking hybrid /landrace ?

im very interested in ibl's r u planning on releasing any?

i think it would be a treat to hav a taste of the past maybe some guatemala sativa ,panama red, nepalese, sgcg ,how bout that wacky weed.i was told wacky weed was som of the strongest smoke of yesteryear.lebanese /thai = hashplant one of my favorite all time strains

well its seems your spot on as how to breed for incense aroma you hav perfect examples in your very impressive catalouge.i hope april brings somthin ive been longing for best of luck keep us updated

 

[PermaBuzz]

are there any plans for oldtimer haze hybrids?

 

[dubi]

your da man

ive been eyein bangi haze ive heard great reviews as its known for that incense aroma.im very interested in destroyer i believe i was told there was colombian wacky weed in its make up.your tikal sounds quite interesting .

im a haze lover ,but i love that narcotic stone and dark tasting bud the affies produce not too big on da fruit.my favorite incense is the church incense or funeral we know as frankincense.

can you suggest which strain resembles this funeral frankincense description most that is available or still alive?

im very curious too know currently what your smoking hybrid /landrace ?

im very interested in ibl's r u planning on releasing any?

i think it would be a treat to hav a taste of the past maybe some guatemala sativa ,panama red, nepalese, sgcg ,how bout that wacky weed.i was told wacky weed was som of the strongest smoke of yesteryear.lebanese /thai = hashplant one of my favorite all time strains

well its seems your spot on as how to breed for incense aroma you hav perfect examples in your very impressive catalouge.i hope april brings somthin ive been longing for best of luck keep us updated

I love church incense too :smile: We call it 'botafumeiro' aroma in Galicia/Spain :wink:

Tikal 4, a new tikal line we are working with, which is a great blend of purple haze incensey aromas and best guatemala traits, has the darkest incensey aroma in a (still half) uniform population. We are still working on her, we believe tikal line 4 has great potential as a haze/american sativa hybrid. New tikal fem version is gonna be quite dark incensey but sligthy fruity/strawberry too.

I have been working past 5 years on a chinese yunnan indica hybrid, 75% chinese and 25% haze hybrid, it was a kali mist selected for it's hashy incensey aromas, potency, short size and flowering time and then crossed to a chinese father. Goal was to get a strong psychedelic hazy plant that grows robust and short like an indica and matures after only 8-9 weeks of flowering. Impossible ?? :smile:

I have found lovely incense aromas inside chinese yunnan population, indeed china mother 6 has a very strong incense aroma, like a fine haze hybrid could be. So i dream about best combination between a kali mist (my favourite dutch hazy hybrid) and chinese incensey expressions.

Kali mist x China outcross was quite unstable, i had to explore and avoid lot of plants but i found amazing expressions and what i was looking for, perfect hybrid mother. I selected a short sized early flowering (8.5 weeks) chinese indica looking plant with a super complex hazy hybrid aroma (mango,roasted meat, asian hash, church incense..). High is powerful and psychedelic like a very strong SE asian hybrid with dense relaxed end from the chinese. It's one of my favourite mother plants. Then i backcrossed the selected kali china mother again to different chinese parental plants (kali china x china) to produce a standard and femenized backcrossed version, trying to fix the chinese indica structure-short flowering time and the desired hazy influence. I have lot of hopes in the fem version, which is the best hazy incensey chinese mother reverted to pollinate kali china selected mother.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

the tikal really sounds awesome

i wish you luck on the yunnan haze hybrid - im sure it will work out well!

peace all!

 

[dubi]

are there any plans for oldtimer haze hybrids?

Welcome PermaBuzz,

Haze x Panama, Haze x Meao thai, Nepalese highland x Haze, Nepal Mist Haze, Thai Koh Chang x Haze will be tested next year. If results are positive, they will be available commercially.