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OldOne's 2nd cab run - PLL / PPK / Arjan's Haze 3
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oldone
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flower day21
flower day21
Day 14................................Day 21
Here's some baby bud porn;
Aint she cute?
Still stretching like mad though. I'm finding I have to bend over branches every night and I'm running out of room. I found one bud toasted from touching the light.
The bugs seem to have gone from my flower cab, but they are all over the 2 surviving clones. Same wriggly tiny white little fuckers. Time for a little modern chemical technology I think. Is spinosad widely available?
I'm facing a decision with the clones. I have a good AH3 one but it will be of this same stretchy pheno. Does anyone know if AH3 exhibits shorter phenos? Should I just try another seed?
Later,
OO
flower day21
Day 14................................Day 21
Here's some baby bud porn;
Aint she cute?
Still stretching like mad though. I'm finding I have to bend over branches every night and I'm running out of room. I found one bud toasted from touching the light.
The bugs seem to have gone from my flower cab, but they are all over the 2 surviving clones. Same wriggly tiny white little fuckers. Time for a little modern chemical technology I think. Is spinosad widely available?
I'm facing a decision with the clones. I have a good AH3 one but it will be of this same stretchy pheno. Does anyone know if AH3 exhibits shorter phenos? Should I just try another seed?
Later,
OO
hey, your plant looks great!
you can limit stretch with defoliation. do you supercrop? you said bending but do you actually break them?
are those bugs crawling around on the leaves? if so, they are not springtails.
you need at least 10x magnification to identify most pest in their juvenile phases.
if they are thrips spinosad is the shit. i buy "capt. jack's dead bug" by the bonide co. i get it at a local lawn and garden store. this is a store finder on their site. punch in your postal code.
http://www.bonideproducts.com/products/product.php?category_id=252
you can limit stretch with defoliation. do you supercrop? you said bending but do you actually break them?
are those bugs crawling around on the leaves? if so, they are not springtails.
you need at least 10x magnification to identify most pest in their juvenile phases.
if they are thrips spinosad is the shit. i buy "capt. jack's dead bug" by the bonide co. i get it at a local lawn and garden store. this is a store finder on their site. punch in your postal code.
http://www.bonideproducts.com/products/product.php?category_id=252
oldone
Member
"hey, your plant looks great!"
Thanks bro. Its kinda hard to believe how much she has grown in 21 days...
I had to lookup the diff between LST and supercrop. LST is lightly bending and tying down where supercropping is actually crushing/breaking the "hurd" (internal plant stem).
The answer is I did supercrop the main stem on day one of 12/12. Then I LST'd until they got too tall and lately I have been cutting leaves and supercropping. Its the only way she'll stay down.
I have not found new evidence of bug damaged leaves or any critters crawling on the leaves. Maybe all the swearing I did scared them away.
The cutting's coco surface are definitely covered though.
Thanks for the link though a quick search failed to show any suppliers up in the great white north. I'll do a better search later. I'm pretty sure I'm going with a new seed anyway to try and get a shorter pheno.
Later,
OO
Thanks bro. Its kinda hard to believe how much she has grown in 21 days...
I had to lookup the diff between LST and supercrop. LST is lightly bending and tying down where supercropping is actually crushing/breaking the "hurd" (internal plant stem).
The answer is I did supercrop the main stem on day one of 12/12. Then I LST'd until they got too tall and lately I have been cutting leaves and supercropping. Its the only way she'll stay down.
I have not found new evidence of bug damaged leaves or any critters crawling on the leaves. Maybe all the swearing I did scared them away.
The cutting's coco surface are definitely covered though.Thanks for the link though a quick search failed to show any suppliers up in the great white north. I'll do a better search later. I'm pretty sure I'm going with a new seed anyway to try and get a shorter pheno.
Later,
OO
oldone
Member
flower day 28
flower day 28
The stretch is over!...I hope
Day 21............................. ......Day 28
The biggest difference in this weeks pic is the results of a defoliation. I must have pulled ~100 leaves off of her. Got lots of bud sites now:
I have been fighting this lady as she always wants to touch the lights. Every night I have to bend over more branches to keep them away. Some of them have 6 supercrops and more will be needed. Here's a sample of a single supercrop:
Just for the record the PPK system is still performing flawlessly. In the past 4 weeks all I've had to do is keep the bulk rez topped up. No changeouts, adjustments, flushes or runoff. The pics dont do the plant justice. She looks fantastic and is budding like crazy.
Enjoy whats left of the summer,
OO
flower day 28
The stretch is over!...I hope
Day 21............................. ......Day 28
The biggest difference in this weeks pic is the results of a defoliation. I must have pulled ~100 leaves off of her. Got lots of bud sites now:
I have been fighting this lady as she always wants to touch the lights. Every night I have to bend over more branches to keep them away. Some of them have 6 supercrops and more will be needed. Here's a sample of a single supercrop:
Just for the record the PPK system is still performing flawlessly. In the past 4 weeks all I've had to do is keep the bulk rez topped up. No changeouts, adjustments, flushes or runoff. The pics dont do the plant justice. She looks fantastic and is budding like crazy.
Enjoy whats left of the summer,
OO
oldone
Member
Interm lessons learned
Interm lessons learned
Just some quick observations/thoughts;
1. The bulk rez's fluid level needs to be considerably higher than the PPK level. I maintain a 2" depth in the PPK and initially my bulk rez sat on the floor right beside it. When the bulk rez dropped to around 4", the 2" level difference was not enough pressure to get past the float valve. I raised the bulk rez 8" and now it works fine.
2. My plant (I think of her as "The Bitch" because of the fight she's giving me) actually lifted my scrog screen right off its mounts. Tying it back down was a PITA but bought me another 1" or so of space which she promptly gobbled up the next day.
3. My cab has a serious flaw in that once the plant is in there it cant be easily removed. Coupled with the very small space in front of the cab its very difficult to trim leaves, tie down branches, etc. Not sure what I can do about this but my back is killing me.
4. It cant be this easy. When I ran the E&F system (famous for its simplicity) I spent a lot more time tinkering with the system. I dunno it might have been my poor E&F design, but I have not touched the PPK since day 1. Like Linux computers "it just works". Sorry if I'm gushing here guys but it feels like one of those "too good to be true" things.
Later,
OO
Interm lessons learned
Just some quick observations/thoughts;
1. The bulk rez's fluid level needs to be considerably higher than the PPK level. I maintain a 2" depth in the PPK and initially my bulk rez sat on the floor right beside it. When the bulk rez dropped to around 4", the 2" level difference was not enough pressure to get past the float valve. I raised the bulk rez 8" and now it works fine.
2. My plant (I think of her as "The Bitch" because of the fight she's giving me) actually lifted my scrog screen right off its mounts. Tying it back down was a PITA but bought me another 1" or so of space which she promptly gobbled up the next day.
3. My cab has a serious flaw in that once the plant is in there it cant be easily removed. Coupled with the very small space in front of the cab its very difficult to trim leaves, tie down branches, etc. Not sure what I can do about this but my back is killing me.
4. It cant be this easy. When I ran the E&F system (famous for its simplicity) I spent a lot more time tinkering with the system. I dunno it might have been my poor E&F design, but I have not touched the PPK since day 1. Like Linux computers "it just works". Sorry if I'm gushing here guys but it feels like one of those "too good to be true" things.
Later,
OO
holy shit, scrogman! according to the 40/60 ratio on stretch, working backwards from 11 weeks, you are not quite out of stretch yet. that plant is already filling the compartment. you better start strapping it down or something.
i run my bulk tank 16" above the float level. no problems with the valves.
have you gotten to the point yet where you don't worry at all about your plant? you just know it's going to be fine whenever you look at it. stress free growing.
that arjan's haze looks nasty! but it looks predominately sativa. i think you might have less control issues if you used a more indica hybrid.
later
i run my bulk tank 16" above the float level. no problems with the valves.
have you gotten to the point yet where you don't worry at all about your plant? you just know it's going to be fine whenever you look at it. stress free growing.
that arjan's haze looks nasty! but it looks predominately sativa. i think you might have less control issues if you used a more indica hybrid.
later
oldone
Member
I think I'm almost there see my point 4 above.
Back in the day I grew in soil, then DWC, then RDWC. Then last year it was E&F. All methods had good and bad points and all produced good smoke. But none of them compare to wick systems (PPKs) for simplicity, power efficiency, low startup/running costs and system reliability. Just one moving part...its crazy.
I guess I really am at the "too good to be true" stage. You know that feeling when your mental BS meter spikes? I mean I watched your grow and followed the PPK thread but still there was doubt.
Every time I pop off the door I marvel at how good she looks and how fast she is growing. For so little effort...it just doesn't make sense (yet
).I hope my enthusiasm doesn't scare others away, I just find this whole experience hard to believe even though its happening right before my eyes....LOL
OO
I think I'm almost there see my point 4 above.
Back in the day I grew in soil, then DWC, then RDWC. Then last year it was E&F. All methods had good and bad points and all produced good smoke. But none of them compare to wick systems (PPKs) for simplicity, power efficiency, low startup/running costs and system reliability. Just one moving part...its crazy.
I guess I really am at the "too good to be true" stage. You know that feeling when your mental BS meter spikes? I mean I watched your grow and followed the PPK thread but still there was doubt.
Every time I pop off the door I marvel at how good she looks and how fast she is growing. For so little effort...it just doesn't make sense (yet
I hope my enthusiasm doesn't scare others away, I just find this whole experience hard to believe even though its happening right before my eyes....LOL
OO
this is the way it's supposed to be.
MrAwder
Member
i love that you have adapted the PPK system for cab growing. i am growing in 1L airpots using coco and am getting quite tired of watering 2x a day and this was jsut the thing i was looking for. i was wondering though, could you maybe sketch up some type of diagram to show a few things: water level, bottom of medium, full length of wick, and anything else you think is important. like a cutaway view? i am having trouble visualizing all the different lengths/heights of the wick, air gap, water level, etc. i would really like to do almost exactly what you are doing except a bigger res and cram like 10 1L pots into it.
thanks
thanks
oldone
Member
Hi MrAwder, welcome aboard!
I'm looking around for a good 2d (open source) drafting program but meanwhile....
Essentially all a PPK does is suspend a growing-media filled container above a reservoir. This container and rez are connected with some kind of wicking material. Thats all it is. Kinda hard to believe, eh?
The distance between the bottom of the media filled container and the fluid level of the ppk rez is known as the "air gap" and IMHO, is *the* critical factor in the design. This distance must be consistently maintained. Fortunately this is easy to accomplish by using an adjustable float valve. I use these 1/4" valves. Great supplier. I think you should to plan on suspending your media container a minimum of 6" above the floor of your rez. This will allow a good range of air gap distance adjustments. How you do it is up to you.
The air gap is so important because of something called the Perched Water Table (pwt). I think it wise to experiment a little before you commit to your design. Just get a clear container (like a 2 liter pop bottle), cut the top off, put some holes in the bottom and fill it with your media of choice. Then just saturate with water and observe. Within hours you will see a layer form that stays saturated (and poorly oxygenated). This is the pwt and must be eliminated. You do that by using a wick and manipulating the air gap distance. So add a wick in the bottle and play with water levels below it. You will soon discover what air gap works for you. I did this...its very cool to watch...with coco it happens fast.
Whats worked for me?...7" coco depth (1 gal pot), 3pcs x 1.5" x 8" microfiber wicks, 3" air gap, 2" rez depth. And for the record RO water w/ 1.5 EC FNB and 0.4 EC CalMag, Ph'd to 5.7ish. This recipe has been used since day 5 of veg.
I guess my last piece of advise is to use a bulk rez. I does not matter how deep your ppk rez is, its the air gap that matters. The bulk rez is what gives you that maintenance freedom so desirable in this system.
I chose to suspend my container by shoving it into another upside down pot that had its bottom removed. Its crude (and cheap) but it works:
Later,
OO
I'm looking around for a good 2d (open source) drafting program but meanwhile....
Essentially all a PPK does is suspend a growing-media filled container above a reservoir. This container and rez are connected with some kind of wicking material. Thats all it is. Kinda hard to believe, eh?
The distance between the bottom of the media filled container and the fluid level of the ppk rez is known as the "air gap" and IMHO, is *the* critical factor in the design. This distance must be consistently maintained. Fortunately this is easy to accomplish by using an adjustable float valve. I use these 1/4" valves. Great supplier. I think you should to plan on suspending your media container a minimum of 6" above the floor of your rez. This will allow a good range of air gap distance adjustments. How you do it is up to you.
The air gap is so important because of something called the Perched Water Table (pwt). I think it wise to experiment a little before you commit to your design. Just get a clear container (like a 2 liter pop bottle), cut the top off, put some holes in the bottom and fill it with your media of choice. Then just saturate with water and observe. Within hours you will see a layer form that stays saturated (and poorly oxygenated). This is the pwt and must be eliminated. You do that by using a wick and manipulating the air gap distance. So add a wick in the bottle and play with water levels below it. You will soon discover what air gap works for you. I did this...its very cool to watch...with coco it happens fast.
Whats worked for me?...7" coco depth (1 gal pot), 3pcs x 1.5" x 8" microfiber wicks, 3" air gap, 2" rez depth. And for the record RO water w/ 1.5 EC FNB and 0.4 EC CalMag, Ph'd to 5.7ish. This recipe has been used since day 5 of veg.
I guess my last piece of advise is to use a bulk rez. I does not matter how deep your ppk rez is, its the air gap that matters. The bulk rez is what gives you that maintenance freedom so desirable in this system.
I chose to suspend my container by shoving it into another upside down pot that had its bottom removed. Its crude (and cheap
) but it works:Later,
OO
PanchoBuddah
Member
Can't believe I almost missed this one! I love sativas dom plants, but dont have the patience to grow em out. Kudos ma man!
MrAwder
Member
thanks for the detailed explanation oldone. im pretty excited about trying this, just need to find a good reservoir and clear out some of the current crop first. i may have to end up building my own res because i need it to be fairly low profile and want to maximize the area. im thinking 2"x4"s and plywood with pond liner might do the trick. i will be sure to post my findings.
thanks again for the great info
thanks again for the great info
Looking good.
oldone
Member
Amen, brother.
