OG Kush, Sour Diesel, Chemdog, Chemdawg, ECSD will always be a myth

[RubberBand]

I'm just sick of the people that think they know the genetics perpetuating myths
I'm sick of the people that pretend to know the genetics history spreading lies.
I'm sick of people that google the genetics pretending to be experts on the history.

What really pisses me the fuck off is professionals that call themselves breeders passing off their knowledge as fact.

NOBODY. NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THE HISTORY OF ANY OF THOSE GENETICS, so stop preaching that "knowledge" as if it was gospel!

Sorry to rant, but I think this debate needs to end because nothing has been confirmed to this day, just opinions.

 

[harry74]

IMO The problem is not that someone goes around talking fairy tales. The problem is the people who buys fairy tales that have nothing solid to back them.

I mean, anyone can go to Hyde Park, speaker´s corner and start talking bullshit. Another thing is, if there is someone listening..... so how is to blame:

A) The preacher

B) The believer.

¿ Should we start a poll?

I go with B, hands down...

 

[RubberBand]

I agree, the believer is a huge part of perpetuating the myth, but those myths are started by assholes trying to make money.

There is no integrity in the breeding business, except for the few that you might find here and there.

 

[RubberBand]

i suppose what I want is the equivalent of asking the internet to stop talking, but I'm just tired of the debate.

Until all states are legal and DNA testing is mandatory for commercial breeding, there will always be this freaking "what I say is true" sort of deal.
I mean, why not just be honest? Why do people, specifically clone-holders, have to perpetuate this lie? Why can't they just say "I don't know?"

 

[Crunchy Taco]

What are you calling a Lie? Seems more like a rookie that didn't put in their dues and never met the right people.

I can only speak for the Chemdog story being real. I 've met and worked with JoeB AKA Chemfather, I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself. Pbud picked up some Skelly hashplant flowers in colorado and drove them to a Colorado Grateful Dead show in the early 90's. JoeB, Pbud's friend, sold flowers to Chem. Chem found seeds. BOOM Chem line. Thats the short and sweet version.

Choose to believe it or not, I don't really care.

 

[harry74]

What are you calling a Lie? Seems more like a rookie that didn't put in their dues and never met the right people.

I can only speak for the Chemdog story being real. I 've met and worked with JoeB AKA Chemfather, I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself. Pbud picked up some Skelly hashplant flowers in colorado and drove them to a Colorado Grateful Dead show in the early 90's. JoeB, Pbud's friend, sold flowers to Chem. Chem found seeds. BOOM Chem line. Thats the short and sweet version.

Choose to believe it or not, I don't really care.

I don´t care about the chemdog history but you are so funny:

I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself.

What do you mean?That You´re cool. That you´re someone " into the know".
I know people who Works in the canna industry but that doesn´t give me more credibility or rep...

¿ Do you know what I mean ?

 

[Jhonny]

There is no integrity in the breeding business, except for the few that you might find here and there.

Are you really searching integrity inside business ??!?!

In my opinion the problem are not the breeders, but the growers. All want heavy hitting, good tasting, high yielding, fast flowering strains, that are loosing their relaxing effects and having more and more side effects like arrogancy, unhappiness...

When in the past, weed was known for making people more friendly, relaxed and happy...

 

[harry74]

The question is that you were given a brain to use, not to fill the empty space of your skull.


It looks like development/progress is about doing everything just pushing buttons and looking at your mobile all fucking day to see some retarded suckers doing the asshole in FaceFool & Twister.

Wellcome to a future of thechnologically-retarded amebas lol.


I go back to my cave.....

 

[quokka]

I don´t care about the chemdog history but you are so funny:

I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself.

What do you mean?That You´re cool. That you´re someone " into the know".
I know people who Works in the canna industry but that doesn´t give me more credibility or rep...

¿ Do you know what I mean ?

What he said^^

How do you know they aren't just someone who decided to tell everyone that they were the first.........

How can they prove it or disprove someone else?

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Another funny thread. Everyone with the genetics want to claim they know. Everyone without the genetics want to talk shit and pretend they barely exist.

I think some people hear a story about a strain and instantly get butt hurt simply because its not available in seed form or maybe just because it is better than what they grow. It does not make the story less true.

In my opinion. If you don't have the mother plants, and you don't have the seeds, and you just don't have the ability to recreate the strains in question. You are just being silly when you point out that other people may not either.

I am fully aware of every strain I have not created.

 

[Psi Haze]

I agree... 90% of the "OG Kush" is NOT what we were smoking in Los Angeles 25 years ago when we coined the term "OG Kush". None of the lemon shit, if its lemon, its fake. If you guys have not had the real OG Kush, you are missing out.

another example; many strainbases are saying that Cherry Pie and Cherry Kush are the same thing - Those Euro'peeings' have their heads up their asses thinking they know more about California strains than us medical California patients who have been growing local weed for 20+ years and literally have grown 100s of strains and hybrids.

Basically, about 25% of the time, those jackasses don't know a fucking thing about California clones, let alone their genetics. They have never grown it, they have never smoked it and they run a business... Honestly, who the fuck would believe that trashy shit?



I have grown the lemon-like chemdog and if you all think Chemdog is in the real OG Kush, you are wrong.

Chemdawg hu? Sorry, this east coast guy has NO merit in my book.

http://www.rollitup.org/proxy.php?i...480.JPG&hash=623f2d31434b1c407eb642075e2b7bdb

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I have an old cut I'd like verified. Not telling anyone what its supposed to be until then. Looks right, taste right (i think). I'm not about to be a douche and tell people its something I cannot prove it is. So until then I'll enjoy and wonder.

 

[NEGT1]

Are you really searching integrity inside business ??!?!

In my opinion the problem are not the breeders, but the growers. All want heavy hitting, good tasting, high yielding, fast flowering strains, that are loosing their relaxing effects and having more and more side effects like arrogancy, unhappiness...

When in the past, weed was known for making people more friendly, relaxed and happy...

the fuck?

 

[NEGT1]

To the larger point though, the pool has been so muddied with marketing and false labeling that if there are true lines, and true parent lines, it's impossible to verify....so yeah, that's a real issue.

 

[Goatstroker]

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[NEGT1]

Cannabis is becoming a legal business. This changes things. Legalization is great, but when done through capitalist methodology, exactly this happens.

The folks buying seeds create what is called "demand."

The folks selling seeds are capitalist business people, and rightly meet this demand.

Why is all this hyped nonsense flooding the market then?

Because consumers (growers) are tripping over themselves trying to buy the hype.

A bunch of dipshits crave leadership.
Some chucklehead decides his clone is the shizznizzle and offers it to the hype machine. Other folks trying to keep up with the cool kids agree because they want to be in on the "origins" of what will become the next Purple Haze, and possession of said clone becomes tantamount to some form of credibility.
A bunch of jokers looking for validation, and those with enough vision to capitalize on them. That's the game now.
But it wouldn't be if the demand wasn't there in the first place. And not demand for cannabis, demand for HYPE.

So if you're sick of it and you just can't take it anymore, stop. Grow some plants and forget what they're called. Create your own strains. Grow for effect instead of whatever you don't like now. Because at the end of the day, all these stupid names don't mean shit and NONE of these "genetics" belongs to anybody.

Or keep bitching in vain, 'cause this shit ain't new, nor is it gonna stop anytime soon.

And there's my little rant for the day

So you think cannabis and breeding wasn't about capitalism before legalization?

I also find it fascinating we single handily blame a grower but not the breeder or end user for the change.

 

[red rider]

I remember a simpler time when weeds name was a location like Mexican, Jamaican, Colombian and Thai to name a few. And you had a general idea of where they came from by looks, tastes and effects.

 

[Goatstroker]

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[bigtacofarmer]

I tought that might come out muddled. NEGT1, I did mention that this "ain't new," maybe you missed that part.

Before legalization, there was hype. In America, we're indoctrinated to crave hype. It's intrinsic and applicable to every aspect of life in a capitalist society.

When I was buying and selling weed 20 years ago, there were far fewer strains available and not many people gave a shit about it anyway. If it got you high, everyone was happy. Now it has to be of documented lineage in order to properly titrate the placebo effect.
Before legalization, the money was in getting cannabis to market. Now, the money is in marketing the cannabis already available. That's the difference.

Past aside, the future is clear. As cannabis is embraced by legal capitalism, hype will only increase over "elite" clones and blah blah blah because that's how capitalism works. Advertising is a huge business for a reason.

So really we don't need to "blame" the breeders, the growers, or the end consumers. It's the system, man. And who runs the system? The fucking Man, man. Son of a bitch.

If I was only smoking and buying weed I doubt I care much more than whether it was enjoyable smoke or not, maybe sativa or indica dom. I remember judging a sack by if it made it to pay day or not. The only real reason to care if you have actual anything is if you intend to grow or breed. In which case I think keeping track of everything is very important. Very often the best plant for a breeder is not the best bag of weed for the smoker. When purchasing seeds I myself like to research and attempt to buy the strains I would consider ingredients. If I was buying by the gram I would be concerned with bang for the buck.

 

[eatUR<3out]

I must be the only one who actually ENJOYS these types of debates...
Also, I blame the draconian laws that most ppl still live under fro the mis-information and lies.

IMO... I really think its hilarious when certain clowns come up with an origin story, and then are completely proven wrong... I still chuckle when I read supaklowns landrace Hawaiian story... hahahahaha!