Notsodog Sour Diesel

[FellaAndrene]

I took screenshots of Vondo telling the real story on JJ's Instagram (a few parts are missing, sorry):

Note: this happened in 2018

 

[ojd]

I took screenshots of Vondo telling the real story on JJ's Instagram (a few parts are missing, sorry):

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Note: this happened in 2018

Yes defo true story , BUT how many other bag seeds were found by others in those early Chem batches he found the seeds in ? , explaining all the different Diesel cuts maybe ?
And as he said many seeded batches so we will never know the true story of which cut is which etc etc etc

 

[FellaAndrene]

Yes defo true story , BUT how many other bag seeds were found by others in those early Chem batches he found the seeds in ? , explaining all the different Diesel cuts maybe ?
And as he said many seeded batches so we will never know the true story of which cut is which etc etc etc

I put those screenshots up because they tell the "Our Diesel" part of the story.

But, yeah... There might be a few genealogical offshoots here and there. But they sure as hell are more scarce than the stories of "my uncles 1991 Sour Diesel" we've been hearing.

If someone had those genetics available way back then, it would've caused an impact, and for sure they would've kept the cut.

But 99% of the time it has turned out to be bogus talk, and the coveted cut in question has turned out to be a renamed or mislabeled one.

For instance, the so-called Catskill Mountain Kush a.k.a. "the 30 year old OG Skunk cross" and "the missing link between Kush and Diesel genetics" turned out to be the 'Illuminati' cut of Stardawg.

Tangentially, another interesting piece of info was divulged by DocGreenStone (already) in 2018 - and quoted by Mustafunk in a post he made back then (but I haven't been able to find the original post):

DocGreenStone said:

I spoke with kloppglass (aka Weasel), JJ (jj-nyc), AJ (asshoe joe), wildmtncannabis and growmoremids (vondo) yesterday/today about Sour Diesel and the discrepancies in their stories and we have come to the conclusion that AJ's Sour Diesel and ECSD are 100% different strains.

AJ says he got "sour diesel" from Weasel on May 1st, 1995 and he handed him a cut(s)/clone(s) and a jar of finished bud.

Wildmtncannabis and growmoremids say they shared seeds with Manny (the guy who found Sour Diesel) in the winter of 1995 and are certain they did not share it before August of 1995.

I find this testimony to strongly indicate that the assertion that "AJ's Sour Diesel is NOT the same as the Sour Diesel that Manny found" is true.

I am now attempting to ascertain whether or not Manny's cut is what we refer to as ECSD or not.

But we now know definitively that ECSD is NOT AJ's Sour Diesel. I've always known this myself but opinions dont mean shit, it had to come from those who were there and those who actually know.

 

[ojd]

I put those screenshots up because they tell the "Our Diesel" part of the story.

But, yeah... There might be a few genealogical offshoots here and there. But they sure as hell are more scarce than the stories of "my uncles 1991 Sour Diesel" we've been hearing.

If someone had those genetics available way back then, it would've caused an impact, and for sure they would've kept the cut.

But 99% of the time it has turned out to be bogus talk, and the coveted cut in question has turned out to be a renamed or mislabeled one.

For instance, the so-called Catskill Mountain Kush a.k.a. "the 30 year old OG Skunk cross" and "the missing link between Kush and Diesel genetics" turned out to be the 'Illuminati' cut of Stardawg.

Tangentially, another interesting piece of info was divulged by DocGreenStone (already) in 2018 - and quoted by Mustafunk in a post he made back then (but I haven't been able to find the original post):

Yeah its a mad rabbit hole for sure , 1 thing we know is for sure , its 1 of the best strains the has ever seen and still reigns supreme after all these years ️ 🫡 , salute all those who were involved/brought the legendary Diesel strain to the

 

[PlastikeRubba]

.here I am in weed mecca land LA

You mean where all the bud smells like a shoe store? And bud tenders are trained by anti MMJ industry plants to call it "candy gas" when it literally smells like plastic? Where Sativa and indica both make you sleepy and neither get you high?

Overfed and uncurable garbage where you can't separate strains by smell or even looks cuz it's all the same shit? LA doesn't even have strains they have brands of bottles, that's what differentiates LA weed, which bottled products the bud smells and feels like.

Socal growers regularly claim their favorite terp is "vinyl seats", "pool floaty" and "new Jordans". You don't think that's part of the problem? "Chem" in the rest of the world means sulfur, carboxylic and alcohol solvent smells. In LA it means plastic toxins. I tend to ignore everything people from LA say, and most definitely anyone who considers LA a mecca of anything but deviance and self obsession.

Sour Diesel on the west coast falls into 3 types of fucked up in my experience. It's either going to smell like peanut shells, or it's going to smell like a flooring store. Or it's going to smell like fake Kushy spray.

It will never smell like Sour Diesel. Pretty sure if it reminds you of peanut oil and acorns, or acrylates and vinyls, when fed wrong, you can differentiate the genes in a meaningful way. Yup..

Lots of weed smells sour when grown right. In fact almost all of it does. Yet people are still confused, claiming sour diesel doesn't smell sour.? Custies confused about "tart" smells, thinking there's something wrong with the bud? Half the fucking strains on the market 10 years ago had sour in the name. "Our diesel" wtf..

Now we got sour milk as a contender? Plenty of butyrate smells in weed but none of them smell like spoiled milk. Dude must be spraying biofungicides. Or his nose sucks. Babyshit comes in a plain variety?Who knows. People who didn't grow up around quality weed seem really confused by weed..


But yeah LA sucks. Growers in LA suck. If you are from LA or even mention LA then you suck. Lots of people in LA swear SFV smells like peanut shells, oak leaf compost etc, because they've only smoked fucked up Cali weed their entire life. When I grew SFV, it smelled like sour lemons. Different cut? Please..

And the Cali growers try patenting their weed based on fruit peel terpenes..? The same terpenes found in a piece of ham or a shower curtain? Anyone eat ham and proclaim the excellence of linalool? When's the last time you smelled limonene in a shower curtain? Because it's in there. Why the fuck is Cali testing for nonsense volatiles that you can't even smell, and have nothing to do with weed? Cali doesn't even know what weed actually smells like, because Cali doesn't grow weed that smells like it should.

Fuck California.

California has always been part of the problem. Cali weed wasn't good in the 90s, and LA as far as I know never produced good weed in the 70s or 80s either. That's how outdated peoples brains are. "Cali weed" has been your marketing since the heroin (famous Cali breeders) meth (famous Cali breeders) Xanax (famous Cali breeders) dealers ran the hippies off, decades ago.

Imagine having to suppliment your tentacled weed business with counterfeit Xanax. That you got busted for in your 40s, doing some junior high western union shit. And 60 people around you went to jail, and you didn't... CALI WEED

Imagine getting busted running a mega distillate lab out of a house in Arizona, and all your partners did time, and 2 years later you run one of the biggest legal hype brands, who's weed all smells the same: CALI WEED.

Imagine replacing "meth" with "purp" in all your drug dealer stories, that only losers interested in a parasocial onlyfans relationship cares about? CALI WEED.

Nor cal has not been a weed mecca in 50 years and LA never was. All LA has done for the weed scene is lower peoples standards, normalize bad bud. Now every idiot my children's age thinks they have dank weed, when it's some overfed renamed shit from California, smelling like magic markers tooth paste and bowling alley shoe spray.

 

[nepalnt21]

Here's a thing I've wondered about for a long time, because we don't have the actual cuts available in these parts of the world, and the opinions seem to vary between persons: Does Sour Diesel smell sour? What kind of sour? Sour citruses? Sour milk? Sauerkraut?

i don't think i've ever had weed i'd say was "sour"... only citrusy, like you mention... but never sour. and never diesel. the closest thing coming from a car i've smelled to chem/ sour diesel came out of some 70s american hot rod i smelled the other day... but weed never smells like diesel in my mind.

In LA it means plastic toxins.

or maybe myrcene? i'm confused, do you really think it's plastic toxins making the smell ppl talk about looking for?

buy a bottle of purified (or synthetic) beta myrcene and please tell me what you smell, cause i smell a plastic, rubber, kinda solvent smell. reminds me of childhood... maybe those little chemical bubbles in the little tubes, you use the little plastic straw to blow the partially dissolved plastic into a bubble and then our heads swelled from the tumors. fun times.

 

[ojd]

My Original Diesel clone I use has ZERO Citrus/Lime/Lemon Terps, to me it's like it coats your mouth with that Gas , and more like a petrol/Diesel smell /taste , but a lip smacking taste that once you tasted you crave and are addicted to that ️ .
And the potency is incredible, if taken to 10 weeks is devastating and smashes light weights and Heavy weights , nobody has tolerance to the fully grown Diesel.
And I'm talking about the clone only above but man this cut the most dominant strain i ever worked with , dominates every clone I ever hit it with or to, and I done alot of Original Diesel hybrids/seeds over the years so really know this clone well.

 

[flower~power]

Yeah its a mad rabbit hole for sure , 1 thing we know is for sure , its 1 of the best strains the has ever seen and still reigns supreme after all these years ️ 🫡 , salute all those who were involved/brought the legendary Diesel strain to the

Has your diesel lost any of its gas since you first acquired it?

 

[Bigcrawdaddy2.0]

My Original Diesel clone I use has ZERO Citrus/Lime/Lemon Terps, to me it's like it coats your mouth with that Gas , and more like a petrol/Diesel smell /taste , but a lip smacking taste that once you tasted you crave and are addicted to that ️ .
And the potency is incredible, if taken to 10 weeks is devastating and smashes light weights and Heavy weights , nobody has tolerance to the fully grown Diesel.
And I'm talking about the clone only above but man this cut the most dominant strain i ever worked with , dominates every clone I ever hit it with or to, and I done alot of Original Diesel hybrids/seeds over the years so really know this clone well.

Christ do you ever shut up about your “original diesel”? Like literally ever? This is a Notsodog sour diesel thread so quit yapping about your non sour diesel cut please and take that shit to the original diesel thread. You literally never stop talking about your “original diesel” cut no matter what strain thread you are in. This is not the thread for you promoting your seeds bro.

 

[ojd]

Christ do you ever shut up about your “original diesel”? Like literally ever? This is a Notsodog sour diesel thread so quit yapping about your non sour diesel cut please and take that shit to the original diesel thread. You literally never stop talking about your “original diesel” cut no matter what strain thread you are in. This is not the thread for you promoting your seeds bro.

Do you ever learn enough about Diesel to stop changing you mind/story every new cut you grow , how many times you changed your story , mine be the same online for 15 years..you were a kid back then so got no experience AT ALL, your still learning about Diesel what we learned 20 years ago

 

[ojd]

Has your diesel lost any of its gas since you first acquired it?

No not really, but it's Vigour has significantly been lost, it grows very fragile and slow in veg , and gives less yield etc , but taste , High all still there near identical to 1st run, and offspring it prodcues still give that same loud ️, maybe even more in some phenos as your exploring the Diesel family.

Like I mention this cut has same loud ️ all well known Sour cuts have but loudest ️ I ever experienced, but next best cuts are near enough as loud but you need a perfect run to bring it out , this cut your worst ever run has that loud ️ everytime

 

[bloyd]

No not really, but it's Vigour has significantly been lost, it grows very fragile and slow in veg , and gives less yield etc , but taste , High all still there near identical to 1st run, and offspring it prodcues still give that same loud ️, maybe even more in some phenos as your exploring the Diesel family.

Like I mention this cut has same loud ️ all well known Sour cuts have but loudest ️ I ever experienced, but next best cuts are near enough as loud but you need a perfect run to bring it out , this cut your worst ever run has that loud ️ everytime

Ever had your cut tested for hlvd/fungal diseases?

 

[flower~power]

don’t like to get into the sour debate all I can do is report that in the early to mid 2000s in my area in central New York sour was reigning king by far it didn’t matter who grew it. It was always instantly recognizable as sour diesel. I got separated from her for many years, when I started growing again first priority to was to obtain it, I went through many different cuts. It was never like I remembered….?? nowadays, I see the people report it is still sour, but it needs careful parameters to bring it out so it’s definitely lost in that respect

 

[RoostaPhish]

Got pics of the cheese...

Sorry homie, my camera sux.

 

[ojd]

Ever had your cut tested for hlvd/fungal diseases?

No ive never had it tested as its still fully illegal to grow in the UK so sending off samples not easy.

 

[befa]

No not really, but it's Vigour has significantly been lost, it grows very fragile and slow in veg , and gives less yield etc , but taste , High all still there near identical to 1st run, and offspring it prodcues still give that same loud ️, maybe even more in some phenos as your exploring the Diesel family.

Like I mention this cut has same loud ️ all well known Sour cuts have but loudest ️ I ever experienced, but next best cuts are near enough as loud but you need a perfect run to bring it out , this cut your worst ever run has that loud ️ everytime

Hi
As soon as you get the chance, go there in tissue culture

 

[Ttutorial]

Hey.

This plant looks so awesome, i just had the Headbanger, and it was amazing already, i cannot imagine how this smell, i try to get my hands on Sour Diesel Riri Cut or AJ Sour Diesel, but sadly i could not..

But that one u have, looks really awesome! I hope u will hold it in your mothertent for the next 20 years!!

 

[PlastikeRubba]

same loud ️,
same loud ️ all well known Sour cuts have but loudest ️ I ever experienced, but next best cuts are near enough as loud but you need a perfect run to bring it out , this cut your worst ever run has that loud ️ everytime

Sounds trustworthy. Which terp is that again? Gaspumpemojinene?

You emoji gaspump guys are gonna have to start defending yourselves a little better moving forward. Not all weed can be represented by a gas pump emoji. Sour with no lemon.. So, just sour? Nope we dropping that descriptor from Sour Diesel after many decades? Just Diesel.. But it doesn't smell like kerosine.. Lol.

I don't know anyone in a first world country who uses "gas" so interchangeably, in a discussion about diesel, which smells nothing like a gas station.


Looks like every breeder is compromised. Spreading the "weed isn't sour or medicinal, it's isoprenoidal and recreational, like huffing".

I was just about to drop a load of cash on haze seeds. Thank God I took a shit and saw this first.

do you ever shut up about your “original diesel”?

There's an obvious agenda to redefine medical marijuana. That's why none of these people will stay to their little grow diaries. They have to venture out and spread their lies. It's been going on for a century and you've just now became annoyed by the industry plants who watch these sites like vultures, trying to collect a return address from someone growing medical grade weed?

 

[Wolverine97]

Sounds trustworthy. Which terp is that again? Gaspumpemojinene?

You emoji gaspump guys are gonna have to start defending yourselves a little better moving forward. Not all weed can be represented by a gas pump emoji. Sour with no lemon.. So, just sour? Nope we dropping that descriptor from Sour Diesel after many decades? Just Diesel.. But it doesn't smell like kerosine.. Lol.

I don't know anyone in a first world country who uses "gas" so interchangeably, in a discussion about diesel, which smells nothing like a gas station.

You mean where all the bud smells like a shoe store? And bud tenders are trained by anti MMJ industry plants to call it "candy gas" when it literally smells like plastic? Where Sativa and indica both make you sleepy and neither get you high?

Overfed and uncurable garbage where you can't separate strains by smell or even looks cuz it's all the same shit? LA doesn't even have strains they have brands of bottles, that's what differentiates LA weed, which bottled products the bud smells and feels like.

Socal growers regularly claim their favorite terp is "vinyl seats", "pool floaty" and "new Jordans". You don't think that's part of the problem? "Chem" in the rest of the world means sulfur, carboxylic and alcohol solvent smells. In LA it means plastic toxins. I tend to ignore everything people from LA say, and most definitely anyone who considers LA a mecca of anything but deviance and self obsession.

Sour Diesel on the west coast falls into 3 types of fucked up in my experience. It's either going to smell like peanut shells, or it's going to smell like a flooring store. Or it's going to smell like fake Kushy spray.

It will never smell like Sour Diesel. Pretty sure if it reminds you of peanut oil and acorns, or acrylates and vinyls, when fed wrong, you can differentiate the genes in a meaningful way. Yup..

Lots of weed smells sour when grown right. In fact almost all of it does. Yet people are still confused, claiming sour diesel doesn't smell sour.? Custies confused about "tart" smells, thinking there's something wrong with the bud? Half the fucking strains on the market 10 years ago had sour in the name. "Our diesel" wtf..

Now we got sour milk as a contender? Plenty of butyrate smells in weed but none of them smell like spoiled milk. Dude must be spraying biofungicides. Or his nose sucks. Babyshit comes in a plain variety?Who knows. People who didn't grow up around quality weed seem really confused by weed..


But yeah LA sucks. Growers in LA suck. If you are from LA or even mention LA then you suck. Lots of people in LA swear SFV smells like peanut shells, oak leaf compost etc, because they've only smoked fucked up Cali weed their entire life. When I grew SFV, it smelled like sour lemons. Different cut? Please..

And the Cali growers try patenting their weed based on fruit peel terpenes..? The same terpenes found in a piece of ham or a shower curtain? Anyone eat ham and proclaim the excellence of linalool? When's the last time you smelled limonene in a shower curtain? Because it's in there. Why the fuck is Cali testing for nonsense volatiles that you can't even smell, and have nothing to do with weed? Cali doesn't even know what weed actually smells like, because Cali doesn't grow weed that smells like it should.

Fuck California.

California has always been part of the problem. Cali weed wasn't good in the 90s, and LA as far as I know never produced good weed in the 70s or 80s either. That's how outdated peoples brains are. "Cali weed" has been your marketing since the heroin (famous Cali breeders) meth (famous Cali breeders) Xanax (famous Cali breeders) dealers ran the hippies off, decades ago.

Imagine having to suppliment your tentacled weed business with counterfeit Xanax. That you got busted for in your 40s, doing some junior high western union shit. And 60 people around you went to jail, and you didn't... CALI WEED

Imagine getting busted running a mega distillate lab out of a house in Arizona, and all your partners did time, and 2 years later you run one of the biggest legal hype brands, who's weed all smells the same: CALI WEED.

Imagine replacing "meth" with "purp" in all your drug dealer stories, that only losers interested in a parasocial onlyfans relationship cares about? CALI WEED.

Nor cal has not been a weed mecca in 50 years and LA never was. All LA has done for the weed scene is lower peoples standards, normalize bad bud. Now every idiot my children's age thinks they have dank weed, when it's some overfed renamed shit from California, smelling like magic markers tooth paste and bowling alley shoe spray.

Yes real Sour Diesel has a definite lemon smell/flavor. But "Original Diesel" does not, it's all diesel, no lemon. Different plants entirely.

But... hold on. I would like you to clarify your comments about "plastic terps", like vinyl, new shoe store, tennis balls, pool floaty, etc. I'm from Michigan, I know fuck all about the dispo scene in Cali (or MI for that matter, I grow my own). But if you're trying to say cannabis can't/won't express plastic, vinyl, rubber, tennis ball smells/flavors on its own then that is flatly wrong. I've experienced it in lots of things that I have grown myself, and I do not use bottles. I grow in soil, in the ground when outdoors. Just last year, I grew Grape Lime Skunk from Freeborn Selections (Mean Gene). I didn't particularly care for the herb, but I had one pheno that was 100% dead on brand new scuba mask out of the package. Both when you smell the flower, and in the smoke. Dead on like you can't tell the difference. Stuck to my fingers for hours.

This year I have a Silver Pearl that has a distinct DMT flavor (like walking into a Payless Shoe store) on the back end. But up front it tastes like NL.

Back in the mid/late 2000's there was an OG cut (probably bag seed) in my area called "Michelin OG", that tasted like straight burning tires.

None of those were bottle feed grown, nor were any grown in hydro.

Yeah dispo weed is garbage, as is almost everything grown in "the industry". But that's a separate point from what you keep saying on the topic.

 

[nepalnt21]