Northern Lights types 1-11

[LostTribe]

She’s pretty

RoyalFlush's NL5x2 looks like the Sensi I was vegging a couple years back. I didnt have the space to bloom them though. Very stout afghan too.

Looking back, I would probably have been better off pitching Mr Souls New99 in the trash and running the SS NL instead.

 

[mr.brunch]

Anyone know what the nl9 was ?
Remember some turning up around my way (uk, small amounts) very early 90s nl9 x … (2 or maybe another number
Seeing it listed in nevils quotes ignited a spark of stoned recall….

 

[CreeperStipule]

Ortega 15 and Afg-T were females, so someone on the MNS forums has it wrong.
Sensi’s MLI had Ort-15 female crossed with male plants, so Ort-15 is a female as was Afg-T.


Here’s Nevil:

[FONT=&quot]“I don't know what Ed is calling Maple leaf.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ortega 15 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]was Maple leaf. This was crossed with AfgTx Sk and AfgS x sk males.
AfgT and AfgS were both sisters and pure maple leaf. Maybe Ed thought that AfgS meant Afg(Sam). It doesn't. The hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple Leaf.
N.”[/FONT]

Did Nev have it wrong too? (but we've been here before) -


"I know exactly what you are talking about. It's Maple Leaf AfgT, which I crossed with Ort15 male which was also pure Maple Leaf. This was the most indica ML male. This male dominated most things it was put to. Because of this males dominance, you had to grow a few plants to find the AfgT type. It also didn't have the yield I wanted so I didn't release it then. SB was right to use this line as it is one of the few sources left of the Pure Maple Leaf. When it is crossed to an Indica/Sativa out of AfgT or it's sister AfgS, I'm expecting some extreme shit.
N."

 

[CreeperStipule]

I just listened to Breeder's Syndicate podcast, where he interviews Seattle Greg, and picked out a few tidbits:

NL1 was Steve Murphy's Afghani crossed with Nevils Mazer
NL2 was Steve's Afghani crossed with an Afghani from the Indian (Don Dow), Don got it from some bikers from Oregon.
NL5 (cut) was NL1 x Herbie's Hawaiian. This was different than the seeds, which apparently they worked a bit and gave Nevil seeds that were"closest to the cut" in vigor and look. He says Nevil got the cut later, repeating the "came over in a terrarium" story.
NL8 was Steve's Afghani x Big Bud clone, which was gotten through Don (as was hash plant apparently).

He says that the grading numbers were only added to give seedlots to Nevil, and that they were only by height. He didn't keep notes, so he couldn't remember what the rest were. It was inconsistent on what was used in the outcrosses to sativas for the different lines, some were Steve's Afghani directly, some were NL1.

Very interesting interview.

Why did NL seattle Greg say Nev wasn't sent the NL1?

"Aloha & NL # 1 was not sent to The Netherlands we sent #2 through #12. #2 as the short wide leaf strain and as the numbers increased taller plants with more narrow leaves and a longer time to harvest. At that time tierpenes were not in play it was the skunk smell and how to not get arrested when growing it in an attic or a basement."

And why did Nev say he got 1-8 ? just seems so much bullshit.

Greg also said that #1 was just Murphys afghan -

"NL #1 and #2 were in the bag before we got the Mazar from Nevil. #1 was Murphy's x Murphys and Don's #2 I think was Murphy's crossed with either hash plant or what he called his stinky Affie. Don I think got some seeds from John at Steubers and his Native American brothers. The seed I sent to Todd and Matt was an old find I did not know existed until last year it was an old stash the family uncovered. All it had was #5 on the seed pack. My usual was if it was a cross was #5 x whatever on the seed pack."

just seems if ya have something to sell get a story, problem is holding that story straight.

 

[goingrey]

Anyone know what the nl9 was ?
Remember some turning up around my way (uk, small amounts) very early 90s nl9 x … (2 or maybe another number
Seeing it listed in nevils quotes ignited a spark of stoned recall….

The Seed Bank catalog for 1986 has NL9 x Skunk. After that no more NL9 in anything from Nevil...

Sagarmatha has something called NL9. Probably different from what Nevil called NL9. And would have come much later.

 

[CreeperStipule]

The Seed Bank catalog for 1986 has NL9 x Skunk. After that no more NL9 in anything from Nevil...

Sagarmatha has something called NL9. Probably different from what Nevil called NL9. And would have come much later.

When did 9 appear as he said he only got 1-8 so 9 was his work alone...

"When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.
They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds.
The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure.
There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had.( there was Sams Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way) The NL2 was a Kush.
I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well try 50%.
The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!

I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
N."

 

[goingrey]

When did 9 appear as he said he only got 1-8 so 9 was his work alone...

"When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.
They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds.
The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure.
There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had.( there was Sams Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way) The NL2 was a Kush.
I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well try 50%.
The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!

I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
N."

I don't know what it is, his work or someone else's... In the 1985 catalog there is no NL. In the 1986 catalog he already had the 9 and it was "the most suitable for hybridization with the Skunk 1".

You can find the catalog here:

 

[CreeperStipule]

No, my NL#2 originates from Nevil's work via D.

Todds/Greg's "NL#2" looks like a re-creation (not original), I'm actually germinating his "NL#2" right now to see if my suspicion is correct.

I'm pretty sure Greg is trying to change NL#1 to it just being Steve Murphy's Afghan, it's to late now He already revealed NL#1 being Steve Murphy's Afghan × Nevil's Mazar I Sharif.

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The guy has alzheimers and is still holding a grudge against Nevil and Don (aka the indian), so take his stories with a grain of salt.

The thing that doesn't make sense is if #1 was Murphys and Nevs Afghans then how did the cross come about? they got some seeds of Nevs Mazar? why did Nev not notice his Mazar in the cross?

Also when did they get Nevs Mazar as the seedbank was what 1 year old?

 

[CreeperStipule]

I don't know what it is, his work or someone else's... In the 1985 catalog there is no NL. In the 1986 catalog he already had the 9 and it was "the most suitable for hybridization with the Skunk 1".

You can find the catalog here:

So he got the seeds in 85 and in 86 had a #9 even though he says he only got 1-8.. seems he must of got more.

 

[Thcvhunter]

I just listened to Breeder's Syndicate podcast, where he interviews Seattle Greg, and picked out a few tidbits:

NL1 was Steve Murphy's Afghani crossed with Nevils Mazer
NL2 was Steve's Afghani crossed with an Afghani from the Indian (Don Dow), Don got it from some bikers from Oregon.
NL5 (cut) was NL1 x Herbie's Hawaiian. This was different than the seeds, which apparently they worked a bit and gave Nevil seeds that were"closest to the cut" in vigor and look. He says Nevil got the cut later, repeating the "came over in a terrarium" story.
NL8 was Steve's Afghani x Big Bud clone, which was gotten through Don (as was hash plant apparently).

He says that the grading numbers were only added to give seedlots to Nevil, and that they were only by height. He didn't keep notes, so he couldn't remember what the rest were. It was inconsistent on what was used in the outcrosses to sativas for the different lines, some were Steve's Afghani directly, some were NL1.

Very interesting interview.

Indeed
As I heard it from G,
NL was the Mazar x Kandahar.
Then it got outcrossed. Those outcrosses got released as the numbered lines, this is what Nevil and Don got.
The pure NL and pure F1 of NL x Hawaiian were kept close.
Most of what got sold was "X" x NL1 or "X" x NL2.
If you were a biker or a vet, you might have been gifted the real genetics because thats what the crew was all about.

 

[RoyalFlush]

So he got the seeds in 85 and in 86 had a #9 even though he says he only got 1-8.. seems he must of got more.

He got them in 84.

The 1-8 is probably due to a rusty memory, 1-11 is more like it.

 

[RoyalFlush]

Indeed
As I heard it from G,
NL was the Mazar x Kandahar.
Then it got outcrossed. Those outcrosses got released as the numbered lines, this is what Nevil and Don got.
The pure NL and pure F1 of NL x Hawaiian were kept close.
Most of what got sold was "X" x NL1 or "X" x NL2.
If you were a biker or a vet, you might have been gifted the real genetics because thats what the crew was all about.

Don got the pure Murphy Afghan thru one of his buddies (NL R or NL J). He also had the pure NL5 cut which he later gave to Nevil.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

So he got the seeds in 85 and in 86 had a #9 even though he says he only got 1-8.. seems he must of got more.

Some of those nl come from some early batches greg sent, no numbers yet they came shortly after. Out of one of those early non numbered early batches nevil might have selected clones. Might be what your seeing in early cataloges.

 

[RoyalFlush]

Indeed
As I heard it from G,
NL was the Mazar x Kandahar.
Then it got outcrossed. Those outcrosses got released as the numbered lines, this is what Nevil and Don got.
The pure NL and pure F1 of NL x Hawaiian were kept close.
Most of what got sold was "X" x NL1 or "X" x NL2.
If you were a biker or a vet, you might have been gifted the real genetics because thats what the crew was all about.

I've seen your older post where you claimed that Greg told you NL1 was NL x Skunk#1.

Clearly someone is making things up.

 

[spigolaro]

Well, speaking of Aurora Borealis, I purchased Sensi seeds and I hope I haven't wasted money. This is the second time I have purchased from Sensi, the first strain I grew a few years ago was the regular Black Domina and I was satisfied with its beautiful plants and powerful herb. However, reading on the forum I read conflicting opinions on this bank, however I have been wanting to do the Aurora Borealis for a while and I sincerely hope it goes well, only time will tell.

 

[spigolaro]

Has anyone grown Sensi Northern light lately? I mean I just want to have an idea of what I can expect.

 

[RoyalFlush]

Has anyone grown Sensi Northern light lately? I mean I just want to have an idea of what I can expect.

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[goingrey]

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The consensus there seems to be overwhelmingly positive.

 

[Nannymouse]

First of all, good to see some of you folks who drifted away from the island.

In response to someone asking (cannot find the post, now) about what nl2 was like, i just have to comment. Although it was a cross with pacific's G13, this was the nastiest flavor plant that i've ever tried. I gave away the whole rest of the pack, after that first test plant. Yukky x 1000. Could have been the G13 side, but i've had many G13 crosses that were not that nasty, so have been assuming the 'even worser' came from the Oasis.

One of my first seed packs (2002) came from Marc, it was NL5 x white widow, and i liked that one. Other than those, i don't think that i've ever sampled another NL or cross, so definitely no expert.

 

[goingrey]

In response to someone asking (cannot find the post, now) about what nl2 was like, i just have to comment. Although it was a cross with pacific's G13, this was the nastiest flavor plant that i've ever tried. I gave away the whole rest of the pack, after that first test plant. Yukky x 1000. Could have been the G13 side, but i've had many G13 crosses that were not that nasty, so have been assuming the 'even worser' came from the Oasis.

Nirvana NL also tasted pretty bad, earthy.