Nomaad Presents- Greenhouse:2010

[nomaad]

yeah... i'm with you. if you're only willing to pay 1500 for OD, you're going to be getting cartel-grown hay... and missing out on some of the best herb there is. I am a lover of outdoor ganja... when its done right... I can taste the sun in it... something that is lacking from even the best indoor.

Woke up this morning to two inches of snow on the ground! Greenhouse temps did not dip below 40 for more than a few minutes this morning and are already back up to 44 and the sun hasn't even hit the greenie for real yet... the sky is clear now... I hope it lasts for a couple of hours. plants seem a little shocky, but nothing serious. That will be their last night without the heater running.. barring any snafus.

Yesterday all the plants in #2's got potted up to the #10 smarties. I am going to drive up to Humboldt today and buy a small cheap greenhouse to put the mothers in... something that is easy to pull tarp in. There is a place in Redway selling 12x20 cheap-o greenhouses for $600... unless any of you Hum-heads tell me that they are total crap, I'm gonna get one.

New camera is here... on the advice of Doobieduck and after researching a bit, I am going to get a Sigma 17-70mm macro. Also looking for a "long" lens, but I will probably get to know the camera for a while first.

 

[planty]

Shoulda told me you were coming up!! Hater!! Love ya!

 

[Tom Hill]

Heya Nomaad howzit.

I'm tempted to tell you that the $599 is crap as a friend bought one the other day but has yet to set it up. I fear it has no provisions for venting except leaving the entry door open, perhaps call them and inquire about this. It's a gable roofed unit.

For 800, and closer to you, you can pick-up a reasonably high quality hoopty that would be better suited to pulling sheets imo- same size. PM me for details. -T

:/

 

[phatsesh]

is the snow from this morning?

i love outdoor its how i started, although my attepmts at it in norcal have been less than optimal. mostly fluffier buds and my sativas had to go although most phenotype changes were nice, my master kush turned grapey. are these the main reason for the green house or maybe because the ocassional mid summer flower? maybe its what i need.

no direspect taken, I dont buy anything anyway personally sometimes for a collective or two and from a collective but it has to be really pretty and ill pay 60 for an 1/8.

no disrespect to the triangle but the only thing thats really better there are the laws, oh and eletric prices, which call on the greatest growers from around the globe. there are much better places to grow nug as far as environment.

 

[nomaad]

no disrespect to the triangle but the only thing thats really better there are the laws, oh and eletric prices, which call on the greatest growers from around the globe. there are much better places to grow nug as far as environment.

not to mention its a very irie place to live. sure, the growing conditions are better in modesto... but who the hell would want to liuve there... even if it were ganja-friendly. i don't officially live in the "triangle" (assuming you are talking about mendo/hum/trin) but I am close... I have lived all over the world and the country and this is one of my favorite spots.

planty: not today. maybe tomorrow or friday... even if I don't get that greenhouse (cuz its garbage) i have to make it up that way in the next few days.

Nice view, Tom. I am jealous. I have good sun, but a shite view. Guess you can't have it all.

 

[phatsesh]

not to mention its a very irie place to live. sure, the growing conditions are better in modesto... but who the hell would want to liuve there... even if it were ganja-friendly. i don't officially live in the "triangle"

if it goes business and laws change the triangle will become obsolete is all im saying. ive grown all over cali and the desert has been my favorite for production. sunny warm days til dec. i love my 12 weekers

i have always wondered how those green houses fare since they are not clear, is there a noticable difference between the plants in them and outside.

 

[MedResearcher]

More greenhouses and indoor in Humboldt and Coastal Mendo. The fog and the coastal climate limit the strains that will actually finish without molding or rotting as straight outdoor. Although as you head inland the OD possibilities really open up as far as strain choice. Imo there are some really dank valleys in the triangle that produce optimal environments. Elevation, humidity, temps, as well as micro climate factors play into it. Not to mention the soil isn't polluted from major Agri-business's, or the decades of experience and hidden genetic gems in the triangle.

I witnessed a grower move his grow site from the top of a hill to a lower spot on the hill, and with the exact same genetics and techniques the quality of the bud dropped at least a grade or two.

The entire country if not a majority of the world wants humboldt/triangle weed. No matter how the laws change there will always be a business niche involved here, just like there is with the local breweries. Most of the great OD herb, nobody ever sees it because its not for sale, its already sold before its even harvested. The same people buy it year after year and wait for it to be done because they cant get anything close to the quality from anywhere else.

Great OD, kills great Indoor imo. The average OD is garbage though, while the average Indoor looks good at least. So stereotypically especially in Central and SoCal OD sucks and should be dirt cheap and anything indoor is great and is worth an arm and a leg.


Here I am ranting and raving in your thread again. Heard its suppose to rain/snow up until Monday.........

Mr^^

 

[Aeroguerilla]

subscribed bro.

 

[phatsesh]

IMO mmj really screwed the scene up, overflowing the market with sub par herbs. i know many growers in socal who venture to their houses in the triangle for the growing season. my uncle moved to the boldt in the late 60s and its been the mecca ever since. soon the triangle will become like amsterdam commercially overrated.

when the laws are as lax as they are up there about growin its no wonder most of the good pot comes from there but when the laws change i wont have to make these trips any longer. my outdoor is identical to my indoor on sunny years.

nomaad is also i migrant farmer i believe, not from the triangle.

i do not dispute there are great growers in the triangle and i know that all my meds are accounted for b4 they hit the dirt alot of it by commercial growers who wont smoke their own. (Most of the great OD herb, nobody ever sees it because its not for sale, its already sold before its even harvested.) its like this everywhere but when there is a place where you dont have to hide it, it gets more noticable. im a 3rd gen farmer and have seen many places and this is just a well informed opinion. so im not a part of this fad of marijuana pop culture.

sorry bout the rant.
i cant wait for you to get started (in the dirt) i have some genetics im working on and would love to see it grown od and un restricted also see what kind of effect it has on the pheno.

 

[nomaad]

Most of the great OD herb, nobody ever sees it because its not for sale, its already sold before its even harvested. The same people buy it year after year and wait for it to be done because they cant get anything close to the quality from anywhere else.

Great OD, kills great Indoor imo. The average OD is garbage though, while the average Indoor looks good at least. So stereotypically especially in Central and SoCal OD sucks and should be dirt cheap and anything indoor is great and is worth an arm and a leg.

QFT. I agree 100% I still have a few nugs of my outdoor that I compare to everything that comes my way and it kills most of it. Even indoor that is visually frostier and more perfect does not stand up in taste or high to the best of my own OD. Every gram of my own herb is promised to the same people who took it last season and I have been offered several points more for it by others... unfortunately for them, I am loyal to the members of my collective.

I also believe that regardless of what happens to the legality of growing, the word "Humboldt" will ALWAYS carry weight in a marketing sense when you are talking about marijuana. The Central Valley (and not the desert because the infrastructure for growing -most important factor- is already there and the climate is perfect...even if the growing season is shorter, there are plenty of ways to extend it) will produce the commercial mass produced herb... but there will always be product coming out of the triangle.

Ever heard of "DOCG" when it comes to Italian wine? Translated, it means that the zone of origin is guaranteed. While it is probably possible to grow Chianti grapes in a different region, real Chianti only comes from one place. Its not an exact allegory, but something like this paradigm will emerge.

Cental Valley "brands" will also co-opt the work "humboldt" in their own marketing efforts, but herb truly grown (and grown well) in the north country by small farmers will still retain its marketing niche built up during the last decades of prohibition.

What will probably disappear is the crappy quality outdoor from up here. The mass commercial growers who put no love into their product will be displaced by mass produced herb from easier-to-grow places and bi9gger operations, but the quality dank will hold strong as long as it is well marketed and efficiently distributed.

Obviously, this is just my personal predictions and I could be wrong... but I think the analysis is cogent.

MedResearcher: I could care less if you rant in my thread. I'm all for a lively discussion.

 

[nomaad]

phatsesh: you coming to the cup at GKG? if so, bring clones of your genetics. plenty of folks there who are always looking for new strains to grow.

 

[phatsesh]

QFT. I agree 100% I still have a few nugs of my outdoor that I compare to everything that comes my way and it kills most of it. Even indoor that is visually frostier and more perfect does not stand up in taste or high to the best of my own OD. Every gram of my own herb is promised to the same people who took it last season and I have been offered several points more for it by others... unfortunately for them, I am loyal to the members of my collective.

I also believe that regardless of what happens to the legality of growing, the word "Humboldt" will ALWAYS carry weight in a marketing sense when you are talking about marijuana. The Central Valley (and not the desert because the infrastructure for growing -most important factor- is already there and the climate is perfect...even if the growing season is shorter, there are plenty of ways to extend it) will produce the commercial mass produced herb... but there will always be product coming out of the triangle.

Ever heard of "DOCG" when it comes to Italian wine? Translated, it means that the zone of origin is guaranteed. While it is probably possible to grow Chianti grapes in a different region, real Chianti only comes from one place. Its not an exact allegory, but something like this paradigm will emerge.

Cental Valley "brands" will also co-opt the work "humboldt" in their own marketing efforts, but herb truly grown (and grown well) in the north country by small farmers will still retain its marketing niche built up during the last decades of prohibition.

i do think that most crops will come from the central valley and strains as purple erkle and trinity will remain the best from there (for lack of better words) areas of origin.

i get it, like tequila being from tequila or its mezcal, or bourbon not from kentuckey is just sour mash. kush not from the hindu kush mountains is not really kush.lol and small brew beers are becoming more popular. but most of the mass produced crap is from MN. or somewhere.

i think this may be a ways off since not to many people appreciate all the different aspects of cannabis (flavors, smells what have you) its mostly this ones stonier, the connosuer market must grow first.

 

[BakedBeans]

Just curious, as I've heard DOCG and "Terroir" thrown around a lot lately in cannabis+humboldt type discussions; Do any of these terms really apply to ganja? As I understand it, wine producers stay on the same land for generations and compost their grape mash back into the soil each year. The soil bacteria is different in each area because of this and that is what is supposed to add most of the unique characteristics of the end product. I'm sure environment and varieties also contribute.

Have you ever heard of ganja farmers religiously composting their buds and/or plant matter other than stalks and fan leaves? Most of the growers I've seen online use all kinds of imported materials in the form of compost, soil, fertilizers, additives, etc. How do these contribute to "Terroir" of NorCal herb?

Just curious since there have been a lot FUD circulating on the future of the triangle's herb production.

bb

 

[MedResearcher]

I think the large scale Agri-Business plantations are a lot farther away then people think; and possible will never be seen in America period. Most people with that sort of capital wont risk being seized by the fed let alone the jail time that comes with it. No matter what California votes on were still a long ways away from being federally legalized.

I think we will see Hemp plantations before we see Herb plantations.

If the fed legalizes and opens trade up, the commercial product will most likely come from third world countries in the form of hash. Look at any country that is even near a hash producing country and barely anybody smokes buds. If you can buy a couple grams of good hash for a couple dollars, who will want to buy an eighth, let alone manicure it.

On another note... Big Sur has some great micro climates and terroir. I believe terroir such as neighboring plants, a river, a cold or warm jet stream from a valley, etc... can cause subtle influences on product. Such as if a crop was grown next to a giant blackberry patch, next to lush ferns with a waterfall, or just in the middle of a desert.

One last thought, California already has horrible drought problems. Many Agri-Businesses had to scale down production because there just isn't enough water. Good ganja takes a lot of water. Most of California's water comes from NorCal. People are already fighting over how much gets shipped down south etc.. A huge increase in ganja farming in the middle of a desert, sounds like it would need a huge water source. People in LA are only allowed to water their lawns on Monday and Thursday for a limited time..... or face fines.

Luckily we had a decent rainfall this year, hopefully we wont have to many water wars break out around here.

 

[nomaad]

Baked beans... you're right... that is where the analogy dies. DOCG refers to the old dirt and the old vines... That is the science of DOCG ... but it is also marketed on an emotional level as a TRADITION... and that same marketing angle can be used for northern california and ganja.

MedResearcher: I agree. Pot plantations dotting the 99 are a long way off.

 

[BakedBeans]

mmm Big Sur. I stumbled on the Big Sur Wireless site awhile back and it looked like a nice area.

I met a lady from Mt Shasta the other day. She was trying to get her kid back that way.

The area I live in was known for it's marijuana production on the local communes 30-40 years ago, but that's all gone now and I'm sure this environment doesn't provide the proper natural climate. It's too dry here.

bb

 

[phatsesh]

On another note... Big Sur has some great micro climates and terroir. I believe terroir such as neighboring plants, a river, a cold or warm jet stream from a valley, etc... can cause subtle influences on product. Such as if a crop was grown next to a giant blackberry patch, next to lush ferns with a waterfall, or just in the middle of a desert.
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my first crop grow was near some orange groves with mersh seed but its was very tangeriney.

i never said a giant agri biz in the desert, some of my best werk grew in the desert.

 

[dagnabit]

tagged...

btw the guy who talked about "killer green bud" may have been talking about an older strain that was aka "k.g.b."

but somehow i doubt that is what he was referring to

 

[nomaad]

we're trying to forget that conversation.

 

[MedResearcher]

Nice phatsesh, I cant imagine the taste and high from a 12 weeker that matured fully. Ive been doing to much damn indoor lately, anything that takes more then 50 days or so I run away from sadly. Probably part of the reason I can come off as a bit bitter... to much artificial light and quick finishers.


Big Sur has an extended growing season as well, think that is part of the reason they got famous. Super long fully ripe sativas. The herb normally wasn't dense but gooey tasty and strong. Great place to visit, camp, hike, search for rastas and elves that live in caves and forts and still have original BSH and SSB strains.