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No use for a name farms El Dorado 2016

sacramental

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Yeah I remember those days. 2 seasons back I got the russets pretty good. The DE didn't do much if anything but make my plants look like Christmas morning. Tried to mix it as a spray solution and it clogged my sprayer lol. Looked with a scope and them damn russets were thriving in what looked like a giant crystal forest. Looks like you got it under control though!
 

HillMizer

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I had to laugh at this girl. She must be praying that she'll finish before snowfall.
 

20sackzack

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Hey HillMizer, glad to see your garden thriving. Great job!

I was curious about how much gypsum you applied to your plants? I bought some but am unsure about how much to use
 

HillMizer

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Hey HillMizer, glad to see your garden thriving. Great job!

I was curious about how much gypsum you applied to your plants? I bought some but am unsure about how much to use

I've applied about 6 cups to the 2 yard pots over the course of a few weeks. It's time for me check the weights and retest the soil.
 
So a weight test determines rough Ca figures?

Edit..nvm...I remember how this works now if you get a soil test done. *clinks coffee mug...* Mornin' Mizer :tiphat:
 

FoothillFarming

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I've applied about 6 cups to the 2 yard pots over the course of a few weeks. It's time for me check the weights and retest the soil.

I did about the same. 460g per 200 gal applied 2-3 times depending on the pot. You going to get another soil sample this year? I was thinking with slownickels advice, it would be better to wait until after the season.

SlowNickel also told me spikes would be a good approach to adding sulfates as a top dressing. Did you do any of this? The plants I did use a spike, they seem to have taken this up more efficiently than the ones that did not have a spike, just top dress.
 

slownickel

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I did about the same. 460g per 200 gal applied 2-3 times depending on the pot. You going to get another soil sample this year? I was thinking with slownickels advice, it would be better to wait until after the season.

SlowNickel also told me spikes would be a good approach to adding sulfates as a top dressing. Did you do any of this? The plants I did use a spike, they seem to have taken this up more efficiently than the ones that did not have a spike, just top dress.

Calcium is translocatable in the roots. Spiking calcium into holes in heavy concentrations allows the plants to send roots in to the concentration that they want. (what you will see later is that the roots go into the pure calcium and go crazy!). The roots that do not have this concentration, will get the calcium from the roots that do.

Works great! Try it!
 

plantingplants

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How do you determine how many calcium spikes to use? Are the Ca spikes supplemental to soil that's already been properly amended with calcium, or are they just a good way to amend soil that's lacking or needs more Ca?

(what you will see later is that the roots go into the pure calcium and go crazy!)

I'm going to try a planting a plant in a yard of gypsum. Whaddya think ;) (joking :))
 

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How do you determine how many calcium spikes to use? Are the Ca spikes supplemental to soil that's already been properly amended with calcium, or are they just a good way to amend soil that's lacking or needs more Ca?

You can put in 4, 5 or even 6 spots where you spike in gypsum. Better if you use worm castings or compost in a very low proportion with the gypsum, but well mixed. 5 o 15% OM is more than plenty. If not, gypsum can turn into a block.

Stick a piece of rebar or other type metal rod in the soil, move it around to make funnel like holes, go as deep as possible. Fill up the holes with this mix.

The down side is that if you have a drainage issue from too much Mg, Na or other element, this won't help. So in reality, one can do both treatments, top dressing with calculated correctives and spiking as well. Spiked gypsum is a real eye opener.... and at the same time gets you to a level that you need but would be afraid to apply otherwise.
 

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I did about the same. 460g per 200 gal applied 2-3 times depending on the pot. You going to get another soil sample this year? I was thinking with slownickels advice, it would be better to wait until after the season.

SlowNickel also told me spikes would be a good approach to adding sulfates as a top dressing. Did you do any of this? The plants I did use a spike, they seem to have taken this up more efficiently than the ones that did not have a spike, just top dress.

You only spiked gypsum, correct?
 

HillMizer

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Been busy with my building project. Plants look amazing, two are having a tough time though. The problem children respond best to a ton of water, they had Cal def earlier, interveinal necrosis.Now it looks more like inner leaf yellowing.

I applied some soy amino nitrogen and gyp earlier this week and all plants showed a good response, Slownickel asked me about nitrogen analysis results I thought I didn't need any. Hmmf.

Trying to juggle mildew IPM, and caterpillar management
Dipel, sulfur, potassium bicarb, dipel bt, regalia, spinosad and that other biologic control I used for russets.

Still a little pm in the showing. Might do potassium bicarb an foliar Mn tomorrow.

Check out my building in grow room design it should be https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=332322
 

slownickel

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Mizer,

How you going to make that span of 10 to 12 feet? How far is the roof going to extend onto the containers? A gable or flat roof?

A couple of center posts and you could move those containers a bit further apart and play football.. since you are making a stadium!
 

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slownickel

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Been busy with my building project. Plants look amazing, two are having a tough time though. The problem children respond best to a ton of water, they had Cal def earlier, interveinal necrosis.Now it looks more like inner leaf yellowing.

I applied some soy amino nitrogen and gyp earlier this week and all plants showed a good response, Slownickel asked me about nitrogen analysis results I thought I didn't need any. Hmmf.

Trying to juggle mildew IPM, and caterpillar management
Dipel, sulfur, potassium bicarb, dipel bt, regalia, spinosad and that other biologic control I used for russets.

Are you applying any chelates of calcium, copper and manganese? PM is associated with those deficiencies...

Push extra aminos on the soil and foliarphos on the dwarves. They are short on energy and need a boost.
 

HillMizer

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Mizer,

How you going to make that span of 10 to 12 feet? How far is the roof going to extend onto the containers? A gable or flat roof?

A couple of center posts and you could move those containers a bit further apart and play football.. since you are making a stadium!

Are you applying any chelates of calcium, copper and manganese? PM is associated with those deficiencies...

Push extra aminos on the soil and foliarphos on the dwarves. They are short on energy and need a boost.


I'm planning on a gable roof with an extra pony wall on top to make a (sleeping?) loft on one side. I am going to cover the entire containerss to keep the sun off, create space and add to asthetics.

I am foliar applying chelated calcium, copper and manganese as well as applying sulfates to the soil. The PM is not only on one plant in one particulary shaded area. I may wash it with some H202 and keep applying my other IPM.

Tomorrow is Potassium Bicarbonate, mixed with my Chelated minerals.

I'm getting frustrated with sideways photos here, I'm using editing software and I thought the were all right-side up. This wasn't happening a couple months ago. Whats up?
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Here's one of my crispy critters, just two got fried. The rest are so green. I applied some more h20 and a little amino N to see if she'll green up.
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HillMizer

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^ above it is supposed to read: The PM is now only on one area, of one plant.

I'm going to get an award for the worst pics. They're getting better. I have limited patience for troubleshooting of screened devices lately, it seems l have limited skill as well. Do I have to set the photo size correctly so the forum does not flip it vertical?
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