NO more drugs for foreigners in the south of holland since 1st of may

[jenery]

well my first visit to amsterdam when i was just 18 turned out to be only about weed, hookers, casino holland and some shrooms, but you get to look for other things when you get older and more mature... pity the people there have to suffer for party animal kind of tourist enjoying drugs not easily available back at home, they are just paying the prize of prohibition from everywhere around...

 

[HempKat]

Hempkat
Totally agree with you although I have seen posts that may reflect Obama is beginning to let the DEA go back to harrassing dispenseries in the states. Pretty sure I have seen some dispenseries in Collarado or Cali on the TV that have a room for patients to medicate in and that would seem sensible. On another forum based in Canada I have seen that even service outlets like restaurants sometimes set aside a space for med users to medicate which is all good if you ask me.

LOL Don't worry I won't waste time waiting it just sometimes bugs me the usual quippy comments like the bud is better here etc... when what really is tru is that if you get a good growers headstash its a lot better than what you can commercially purchase. I have also read a lot of complaints about dispensery bud where it has been tumbled etc... in order to make money of the hash as well as the bud. I also see a bit red whenever the usual its all the DEA ruling the world complaints, I do think more could be done to highlight the point you mention about states usualy being left to run their own affairs as the world audience tends to focus only on federal policy. In this respect it didn't really help that much here in the UK when recently a commision was set-up to take submissions on the current misuse of drugs policy only for Obama to come out fully in support of current UN level agreements regarding total prohibition. Journo's aren't the best at getting out info they don't really want to but when question sessions are available at these types of speeches it would be good if some actually went at him from the perspective of the seperate policies enforced by both state and ffederal US law.

Well I've never been to California or Colorado so I'm not sure about rooms in dispensaries for smoking but if they do exist I doubt it has the same feel you describe about the coffee shops and smoking openly without fear. I imagine if such rooms do exist they're probably backrooms hidden from prying eyes. Every dispensary I've seen depicted though looked more like you can just buy there with no facilities for using. As for Canada I know even less about what goes on up there.

As for Obama and dispensaries, well the reported facts say that what's happening to dispensaries isn't Obama's doing. The US Attorneys (based in California) responsible for the recent campaign against dispensaries have gone on record saying they're acting independently of the White House. Thanks to election year politics though and the notion that all Federal Government problems are ultimately the President's fault there are alot of people saying it is Obama's doing. Whether it is or not the bottomline on Obama and marijuana is he has no intention currently of doing anything to end marijuana prohibition. My guess is as the first black President he would rather see the topic just quietly fade into the background because he knows that were he to take a favorable stance of any kind it would be used against him in a way that would likely worsen race relations in the US. Ala the old style propaganda from the reefer madness days such as “Marihuana is responsible for the raping of white women by crazed negroes.” —Hearst Newspapers Nationwide.

 

[neuroherb]

Yea Hempkat fair point on the rooms they certainly weren't like the coffeeshops just a plain room with plastic chairs, sure it was a Loius Theroux programme, except in Canada where I understand some places have nice areas and even offer the use of vapourisers to prevent smoke. If the world loses the coffeeshops in the Netherlands then thats it the will go and I doubt anywhere would introduce them and the UK certainly took a strict stance towards the attempts to introduce them here.

The point that the press would attack Obama in a racist manner is probably correct if it was in the UK as I have posted before the red top rags would certainly have a field day with any politician that appears 'soft on drugs'. The majority of them go home and take drugs though so its just the usual hypocriscy of doing one thing for cash and another for pleasure.

 

[stoned wizard]

Yea Hempkat fair point on the rooms they certainly weren't like the coffeeshops just a plain room with plastic chairs, sure it was a Loius Theroux programme, except in Canada where I understand some places have nice areas and even offer the use of vapourisers to prevent smoke. If the world loses the coffeeshops in the Netherlands then thats it the will go and I doubt anywhere would introduce them and the UK certainly took a strict stance towards the attempts to introduce them here.

The point that the press would attack Obama in a racist manner is probably correct if it was in the UK as I have posted before the red top rags would certainly have a field day with any politician that appears 'soft on drugs'. The majority of them go home and take drugs though so its just the usual hypocriscy of doing one thing for cash and another for pleasure.

Maybe politicians should be made to have random drug tests with the results made public. I would find that interesting.

 

[stasis]

Politicians are usually not as interested in their "Legacy," as they are about the "Perpetuation of their Regime. "

That could be why things that DO change usually are slow about it.

There ARE places in San Francisco where one can "Medicate."
A few of the Dispansaries allow it.

Better than Nada...!

But, it isn't like being in a Lively Amsterdam C'shop, such as Dampkring at 11pm on a Saturday Night - or Abraxas - the new G'House, etc.

Friendly - Funny Sausage Parties where Attractive Females dispense the Meds,
while on the other side of the counter is a group of laughing - lounging Stoned Dudes of all ages (the Buds are strong).

Most likely a bunch of posters on the wall of Bob Marley and Pot Leaves.

Basically, just like the Amsterdam C'shops were 20 years ago...!

Hmmm, maybe in time, the SF "Retail Outlets" will be more fun & sexy..!!

 

[neuroherb]

Maybe politicians should be made to have random drug tests with the results made public. I would find that interesting.

Add the Police, Lawyers and Judges to the list and I bet every one would have 40% less of them the first Monday after the test.

Although as we are talking about the Netherlands respect to their Police force as I believe the officers union argued for their right to access the coffeeshops without being dismissed or stigmatised based on if it was ok for the general Dutch citizenry it should also be good enough for the Police.

 

[stealthcabber]

Unfortunately that is not correct. You must be a resident of Cali to be protected under their state statutes for medical marijuana. If you can find a doctor to write you a recommendation or a club to serve you then that is another story of shady practices under the guise of medical marijuana.

Oregon will accept out of state applications, not sure how it works though.

On the American Weed show, theres a guy that came from across country and said he got a non resident card. i thought...But anyway i live non med republican state full of old people so i wont see it anytime soon probably...

 

[Hydrosun]

well my first visit to amsterdam when i was just 18 turned out to be only about weed, hookers, casino holland and some shrooms, but you get to look for other things when you get older and more mature... pity the people there have to suffer for party animal kind of tourist enjoying drugs not easily available back at home, they are just paying the prize of prohibition from everywhere around...

This recent round of intolerance is being blamed on unruly consumers. I call bull shit!!!!!!!!

Check out Las Vegas or New Orleans, both cities seem to function 24/7 with some of the drunkest most unruly tourists imaginable.

The people in EU are suffering because of the Governments of EU, not rowdy drunks.

Always easy to blame and then cage

 

[sprinkl]

I heard a lot of dutchmen don't like the implementation of a weedpass either. It's a hassle to get and they get registered as cannabis user. It could even have an implication on their health insurance?

Loss of tax income, tourist interest, increase of black market and street dealers/rippers, already heard a story about people getting robbed at gun point in Terneuzen...
I don't think it's a good solution! World-wide legalization =)

 

[stasis]

These rules Might come back to bite 'em... If Tourism really takes a hit, that will get their attention. Besides, what about the Cannabis Cup..? No - it ain;t perfect, but it brings a lot of Dough into The Nederlands at a time of year otherwise very quiet.

 

[dread]

from what i heard from people from amsterdam, is that this is because tourists where shitting in the street and stuff like that.


i heard this from 2 different sources (elderly couple (hippies that by own account, had done "everything" (drugvise) and a taxidriver)

basically they just got tired of rowdy tourists.

nothing like that at all....have been in maastricht 100's times....

 

[stasis]

This recent round of intolerance is being blamed on unruly consumers. I call bull shit!!!!!!!!

Check out Las Vegas or New Orleans, both cities seem to function 24/7 with some of the drunkest most unruly tourists imaginable.
The people in EU are suffering because of the Governments of EU, not rowdy drunks.
Always easy to blame and then cage

24/7 in some of our Cities is right Hydrosun..!! Funny comparison Las Vegas to AMS. Appropriate somehow...
One is allowed to carry open drinks and beverages on an LV or New Orleans street..

Could it be that people have been trying to make something like "the ban" happen for years..?

Dutch Politicians are Money-Savvy if nothing else..
--Street Deals/Problems could entice many to give up their stand, as well.

It seems a little easier to get things done in the Netherlands, compared to the You Ess Ay. Partially because people and Gov't are a bit more cooperative. At least they sit down to negotiate... The "leaders" DO allow changes if things are not working.

Dutch people are quite moderate on most all things. When compared to the aggressive, contentious Stance that our "leaders" and sometimes our US Society employs. Which I believe comes from having no National Safety Net..

The uncertainties spawn a Dog-Eat-Dog "You are Either FOR me or AGAINST me" sort of stance. The attitude "trickles down" from the Top. None or little room for negotiations.

As an almost yearly traveller to the Netherlands - I could say, "Would probably go to Spain instead next time." The weather is certainly better...

But, The people of the NLs still are to my liking, I can still get 'product,' and there is lots to do... Art. Music. Bikes. Women. Not in that order.

I live Wild-West rural now, so a trip there is always just right.

And I just cannot imagine not being able to hang out in my favorite a C'shops, puffing on a bowl of Hi-Quality pure Hash..!!! DOH...!!!

Oh well, time will tell.

 

[Atlantic Allele]

Uh Oh looks like your government askin for a showdown openin the gates for the psycho realm hopefully they wise up and reverse course cuz once the beast wakes up in the down trodden it's hard to tame again.

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[foaf]

Check out Las Vegas or New Orleans, both cities seem to function 24/7 with some of the drunkest most unruly tourists imaginable.

I'm in New Orleans all the time, and it really does function well 24/7 but on two different fronts. And "locals" who live in the French Quarter have always complained about people pissing in the streets, but they moved there knowing it was the case and that it has been the case for hundreds of years.

If we had legal weed in New Orleans, they would blame the problems on it, and would shut it down, but nothing would change. They can's shut alcohol or music down.

1) French Quarter, where ignorant tourists drink too much and wander up and down Bourbon Street until they are tired and then bumble back to the hotel in the French Quarter where they stay. These are the people analagous to the Amsterdam scapegoats

2) The rest of the town. Music and history is the key. Live music starts in New Orleans very late and runs till all hours. Bars stay open late and late socail life is the norm, mostly to accomodate music or for the many people who work in service industry when they get off late, after the French Quarter tourists pass out. Music is the key to New Orleans being functional late night, but so is the fact that so many people work in service industry, and get off work late after restruants close up.

 

[Ironeek]

According to opinion polls dutch residents are mostly in favor of the ban (although, not the registration!).

 

[stasis]

I am not surprised to hear that Ironeek.. What cracks me up is that over here, there would be no choice given. Registration or illegality.

Even though the authorities would love to shut down the C'shops in total....They are still allowing them to operate (for now), just restricting it to Residents... I met many Residents, even in Amsterdam, that I knew well, or had just met that were really quite anti-Cannabis...

But Q: What;s to stop me from going into a shop, and smoking Bud/Hasj I already have..? Some Rare and Random ID check by Politie..? No one is going to check my status unless I try to buy Product, Correct.? Or will the ID check be At-the-door..?

Yeah,. I;d guess at the door.

Other than a long trip to Asia, which I have never done.. Spain is the next best choice after AMS.. I am thinking San Sebastian, or another trip to Barca. Perhaps incorporating Surfing... Spain a better choice for me over Portugal due to the lessened Language Barrier. But, maybe it is time for Portugal. Only seen a corner of it, and enjoyed it.

I only need some good hash and a new pipe for 'pure' and I am happy.

 

[gaiusmarius]

its incredible how they are willing to risk their successful drug policy on this weedpass. i wonder how long the dutch public will be happy with having street dealers offering all kinds of drugs to passers by again. it will be most interesting to see what happens to the first place that gets busted for breaking the rules?

the crazy thing is the 2000 member limit! how can a coffee shop survive with 2000 customers? the dutch locals don't spend money on drinks and food in those places, most just get their stuff and go. the coffee shops will no longer be the gold mines they are now, in fact i can see many of them going out of business under the new intolerance policy.

i wonder how trustworthy the poll was that says the Duch public mostly likes the weed pass? wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a dodgy poll to help get this accepted. we all know you can't trust mainstream media.

 

[THC123]

Funny you mention this GM

Today there was an article in the telegraaf

It said that there is much more nuissance now and stret deals and dealers have skyrocketet and the inhabitants arent happy

 

[notorious646]

my brother was stationed in germany an went out there a few times he said it was ok but really im in the bay wtf i need to go to the other side of the mundo when we got fire right here.

 

[HempKat]

its incredible how they are willing to risk their successful drug policy on this weedpass. i wonder how long the dutch public will be happy with having street dealers offering all kinds of drugs to passers by again. it will be most interesting to see what happens to the first place that gets busted for breaking the rules?

the crazy thing is the 2000 member limit! how can a coffee shop survive with 2000 customers? the dutch locals don't spend money on drinks and food in those places, most just get their stuff and go. the coffee shops will no longer be the gold mines they are now, in fact i can see many of them going out of business under the new intolerance policy.

i wonder how trustworthy the poll was that says the Duch public mostly likes the weed pass? wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a dodgy poll to help get this accepted. we all know you can't trust mainstream media.

Most polls are inaccurate even if the poll takers don't have an agenda they are pushing because polls generally use a fairly small sampling that counts on people that fit into certain catagories (age, sex, race, income levels, etc.) all vote the same way. So if a poll has say ten people representing for example white males making more then 40K per year, and those ten all vote the same way in the poll then the assumption is all white males making more then 40K would vote the same. This isn't always true and as such all polls should always be taken with a grain of salt.