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Researchers believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting
Researchers believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting
IT is likely the first person who will live to be 1,000 years old is already alive today.
This is according to a growing regiment of researchers who believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting youthfulness is just around the corner.
At the epicentre of the research is Aubrey de Grey — a Cambridge gerontologist and co-founder or the California-based Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence (SENS) Research Foundation.
“The first thing I want to do is get rid of the use of this word immortality, because it’s enormously damaging, it is not just wrong, it is damaging,” he told Motherboard.
“It means zero risk of death from any cause — whereas I just work on one particular cause of death, namely ageing.”
Mr de Grey said his research aims to undo the damage done by the wear and tear of life, as opposed to stopping the ageing process altogether.
“If we ask the question: ‘Has the person been born who will be able to escape the ill health of old age indefinitely?’ Then I would say the chances of that are very high,” he said.
“Probably about 80 per cent.”
To achieve longevity, de Grey is developing a therapy to kill cells that have lost the ability to divide, allowing healthy cells to multiply and replenish the tissue.
“The therapies that we are working on at the moment are not going to be perfect,” he said.
“These therapies are going to be good enough to take middle age people, say people aged 60, and rejuvenate them thoroughly enough so they won’t be biologically 60 again until they are chronologically 90.
“That means we have essentially bought 30 years of time to figure out how to re-rejuvenate them when they are chronologically 90 so they won’t be biologically 60 for a third time until they are 120 or 150.
“I believe that 30 years is going to be very easily enough time to do that.”
Mr de Grey explained his technique for achieving eternal youthfulness is far more likely to be developed before the theories explored by other gerontologist that focus on preventing the metabolism from causing damage to the body.
“We will be able to keep one step ahead of the problem and keep rejuvenating the same people as long as we like,” he said
“The big breakthrough in terms of publicity will be when we can take middle aged mice in the laboratory and rejuvenate them.
“Once we can do it for mice, people are going to know that it’s only a matter of time before we can do it for human beings.
“So that’s where I want to get to and I think we have a fair chance of getting there in six to eight years from now.”
http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...ulness-is-coming/story-fnpjxnqt-1227304902553
Researchers believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting
IT is likely the first person who will live to be 1,000 years old is already alive today.
This is according to a growing regiment of researchers who believe a biological revolution enabling humans to experience everlasting youthfulness is just around the corner.
At the epicentre of the research is Aubrey de Grey — a Cambridge gerontologist and co-founder or the California-based Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence (SENS) Research Foundation.
“The first thing I want to do is get rid of the use of this word immortality, because it’s enormously damaging, it is not just wrong, it is damaging,” he told Motherboard.
“It means zero risk of death from any cause — whereas I just work on one particular cause of death, namely ageing.”
Mr de Grey said his research aims to undo the damage done by the wear and tear of life, as opposed to stopping the ageing process altogether.
“If we ask the question: ‘Has the person been born who will be able to escape the ill health of old age indefinitely?’ Then I would say the chances of that are very high,” he said.
“Probably about 80 per cent.”
To achieve longevity, de Grey is developing a therapy to kill cells that have lost the ability to divide, allowing healthy cells to multiply and replenish the tissue.
“The therapies that we are working on at the moment are not going to be perfect,” he said.
“These therapies are going to be good enough to take middle age people, say people aged 60, and rejuvenate them thoroughly enough so they won’t be biologically 60 again until they are chronologically 90.
“That means we have essentially bought 30 years of time to figure out how to re-rejuvenate them when they are chronologically 90 so they won’t be biologically 60 for a third time until they are 120 or 150.
“I believe that 30 years is going to be very easily enough time to do that.”
Mr de Grey explained his technique for achieving eternal youthfulness is far more likely to be developed before the theories explored by other gerontologist that focus on preventing the metabolism from causing damage to the body.
“We will be able to keep one step ahead of the problem and keep rejuvenating the same people as long as we like,” he said
“The big breakthrough in terms of publicity will be when we can take middle aged mice in the laboratory and rejuvenate them.
“Once we can do it for mice, people are going to know that it’s only a matter of time before we can do it for human beings.
“So that’s where I want to get to and I think we have a fair chance of getting there in six to eight years from now.”
http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...ulness-is-coming/story-fnpjxnqt-1227304902553
Sure it is, all I'm saying is the story of Christ as a child holding his own in a conversation of religion with the Temple Elders could just be an example of someone intellectually gifted. I'm not the one trying to bend that to fit into the dialog of my own personal belief system. You got your own personal belief, hey great, I'm happy for you, it must bring you great comfort? As does mine, I too have my own personal belief system. Lets leave it that way. I'm not looking to convert anyone.
Cleaned up the talk to text erros
And in regaurds to 1000 year old people. Who the fuck wants to li e that long,or deal with its social implications?shit i loathe the thouhh of being with the same woman for decades let alone centuries
Seriously though why mess with things.we could end of worse off.look at pretty mu h evrything we have done. From agriculture to the industrial revulsion .it was jutt a quick fix break through.
Now evrybody and there mama want to have a food forest . (Which is a good thing) but we went forward to go backwards . simplicity is kind.now mind you im all for the sciences .medical,technological,math and space. The beastly travesty is that people want to draw yet another line,and be separatist in regaurds to spiritual matters.
All this talk a can you prove if god is real. I lol and inject my retort of"can you prove to me that god is not real,or better yet can you prove to me that your actually real,or even better yet that existence is actually real we're not leaving this some computer generated matrix 9r simulation" lol
Seriously what can you prove .its all about your internal perception of your external environment.your prospective of your perception is truly your definition of self,and in the end is the only way to know your self.
Stop learning facts via what ever outlets and think.
You can reinvent yourself and maby make the external a more better place for yourself and others
Or just be a closed mined person.quick to lash out in hate towards your fellow man
(To your neighbors.what? You think love thy neighbor is ment for the nigga living next door?lol the person occupying the space in front of you in the line at the grocery store is a neighbor) or the dude occupying the virtual space above me in this post. I love you dude.lol be easy
Hey if that's what floats your ark, go for it.
The 10 commandments I speak of is all I know of. The only time it was suggested there were more commandments was in a comedy movie (I think History of the World) where Moses returns from the mountains, he has 3 tablets, he holds one up with one hand and tries to balance the other two in his other hand. He announces, "God has given me these 15..." he drops one of the two other tablets and it immediately breaks into pieces. Moses looks down at it and without missing a beat says"...these 10 commandments..." But yes allegedly according to Moses God carved the commandments into two stone tablets with the fire of his breath as he spoke them, I believe. Now if you go with the Hollywood version Charlton Hes... I mean Moses, threw the tablets to the ground when he say all the people given into their sinful ways while he was gone. The tablets then exploded and caused the earth to split and a firey chasm to appear. So one would think the tablets were lost at that moment. According to legend though an ark (not the same as the boat)was built to protect the tablets and to transport them. It is claimed that a small nondescript church in Ethiopia I believe, now has the Ark but nobody is allowed in the church to see it. Go figure
Species disappearing is rather supportive of a Survival of the Fittest Model don't you think? The fossil record is not a place that would prove or disprove evolution. It could however provide supportive evidence.
Being diagnosed with a terminal illness does not always result in someone finding religion as your post might seem to suggest. The reality is God doesn't punish people with illness they do that to themselves. If one were to then say "God why have you forsaken me?" It would just be them trying to shift blame rather then own it.
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how is this thread still going? 
specially when there's so much mis-informed opinions being expressed that it makes your head spin
Interesting you say that, mr. bunch, and I'd like to expand a bit on that, just for the sake of clarity and putting things into their proper context, where do I begin?
The 10 commandments and all the other commandments (613 total) given to Moses in Mount Sinai and during the 40 years of wandering in the desert are only and exclusively meant for the Nation of Israel, period. These commandments are found in the Torah, or Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses... or the first five books of what Gentiles calls "old testament".
The Gentiles have no obligation at all to follow them; according to the Torah, the only obligation the Gentiles have in regards God given commandments are the 7 Noachide Laws/Commandments.
For example, if a Gentile keeps those 7 laws (also known as Noah's covenant) they are Righteous Gentiles; while if a Jew fails to keep a handful of the 613 commandments that obligates him/her due to the Covenant with the Nation of Israel, then such a Jew ranks lower in terms of righteousness than the Gentile, even though the Jew is keeping way more commandments and has way more restrictions.
The problem is the old tendency to try to appropriate / seize Jewish Tradition and to make it one's own, the best two examples of this would be Christianity and Islam.
Judaism is not a proselytizing religion, it does not seek converts, and if you really really want to convert, the process is quite difficult and long, and most conversions fail anyway. The rationale being why would a Gentile want to take upon himself/herself all these 613 commandments when he was born as a Gentile and free to do so many things a Jew is not and still be righteous?
The only time Judaism is proselytizing is in regards its own Nation, that is, when a Jew stops following the commandments, for example, keeping the Shabbat, it is the duty of other Jews to try to convince him to keep the Shabbat again, or eat Kosher, or put on Tefilin in case he has stopped or never really did it due to various circumstances.
I could go on and on about how Judaism is completely different from all the religious movements that have tried to appropriate it and how these movements are in contradiction with Jewish Tradition, but that's just way out of the scope of the thread; but it is an interesting topic that anyone willing to properly inform themselves with can do so freely on-line.
A good place to start about this subject is the famous Disputation of Barcelona.
be good,
much peace and good health!
b.360
specially when there's so much mis-informed opinions being expressed that it makes your head spin
Interesting you say that, mr. bunch, and I'd like to expand a bit on that, just for the sake of clarity and putting things into their proper context, where do I begin?
The 10 commandments and all the other commandments (613 total) given to Moses in Mount Sinai and during the 40 years of wandering in the desert are only and exclusively meant for the Nation of Israel, period. These commandments are found in the Torah, or Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses... or the first five books of what Gentiles calls "old testament".
The Gentiles have no obligation at all to follow them; according to the Torah, the only obligation the Gentiles have in regards God given commandments are the 7 Noachide Laws/Commandments.
For example, if a Gentile keeps those 7 laws (also known as Noah's covenant) they are Righteous Gentiles; while if a Jew fails to keep a handful of the 613 commandments that obligates him/her due to the Covenant with the Nation of Israel, then such a Jew ranks lower in terms of righteousness than the Gentile, even though the Jew is keeping way more commandments and has way more restrictions.
The problem is the old tendency to try to appropriate / seize Jewish Tradition and to make it one's own, the best two examples of this would be Christianity and Islam.
Judaism is not a proselytizing religion, it does not seek converts, and if you really really want to convert, the process is quite difficult and long, and most conversions fail anyway. The rationale being why would a Gentile want to take upon himself/herself all these 613 commandments when he was born as a Gentile and free to do so many things a Jew is not and still be righteous?
The only time Judaism is proselytizing is in regards its own Nation, that is, when a Jew stops following the commandments, for example, keeping the Shabbat, it is the duty of other Jews to try to convince him to keep the Shabbat again, or eat Kosher, or put on Tefilin in case he has stopped or never really did it due to various circumstances.
I could go on and on about how Judaism is completely different from all the religious movements that have tried to appropriate it and how these movements are in contradiction with Jewish Tradition, but that's just way out of the scope of the thread; but it is an interesting topic that anyone willing to properly inform themselves with can do so freely on-line.
A good place to start about this subject is the famous Disputation of Barcelona.
be good,
much peace and good health!
b.360
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species appearing and dissapearing is not proof of evolution.evolution is slow.a bunch of germs or bacteria in a petre dish changing or adapting to its enviroment is not enough proof for me.if you dont look at the fossil record what other life do you look at that could have evolved?
Yes, they are all so-called Abrahamic religions in the sense that they are related to the revelation that God gave Abraham.
However, they are quite different in the way they relate to said revelation.
For example, in Judaism the whole point is that the Nation of Israel are direct descendants of Abraham, he is referred as Abraham Our Father, and he had a son called Isaac and Isaac had a son called Jacob, who was later re-named to Israel, Jacob had twelve sons, each the head of the famous 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob).
And without getting into the whole religious aspect of it, that's why the so-called "old testament" is like a religion exclusive to this family of Jacob and how the famous 10 commandments are commanded to them only, as a way to uphold a specific contract God made with them.
Then you have the Christians and Muslims who say that the contract with this family of Jacob is no more and that they are the real heirs of said contract, and so tried and still are trying to kill all the Jews off so as to appropriate their tradition.
and hence why there's so much shit going on in the "religious" world today.
in other words, lets say Grower Green gets a contract with the U.S government to grow weed, but then comes along Grower 2 and says, no way jose, I'm prettier than you and so I'm gonna grow that government herb and get that contract for myself, so fuck you...and then comes Grower 3 and says, no no no, fuck Grower Green and Grower 2, I'm the real grower and I'm gonna grow that shit and not you... etc... etc... etc...
welcome to the world
peace
Gravy is lovely! Makes all the horrible stuff easier to swallow. In fact that's probably why they invented it.
Bit like all the adaptations people make to the religions over time - no one wants to eat this old book any more, so let's chuck some new gravy on it
Bit like all the adaptations people make to the religions over time - no one wants to eat this old book any more, so let's chuck some new gravy on it
Yeah man in Islamic society everyone is very educated on Jesus, David, Moses et all. Most people don't know the Islamic bible has tons of references to the new and old testaments.
It's the same God.
Terrorists aren't Islamic. ISIS isn't Islamic.
Jesus rocks
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i breezed through the koran and it seemed to be a watered down sorta version of the bible imo,no offense to muslims intended.
how is this thread still going?
specially when there's so much mis-informed opinions being expressed that it makes your head spin
that's what we're doing.. perception management and spin doctorism..
navajo once said to me, "white people never stop talking so you can think"
i once said to you, "the day these discussions acknowledge the far older and more populous jains is the day that hahahahahah and also hahahahahaha my fucking god"
jainism is not "the other 'J' on the block". another 5000 years, there will still be jains.
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