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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
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Zionism is not genetic, take a look at the wiki. It is a religious right, there are Judaic sects that are based ethics and differing views of the Torah and some are more closed than others. I work within those communities and have for years, very rare for a gentile.
I think Judaism is a beautiful religion and Jews a beautiful people, and I don't argue against what is (the current state of Israel) but I don't agree with the further expansion of Israel for many reasons.
Simply this, at what point is land expansion and genocide not a violation of global humanitarian right, anywhere? Why is it ok in some places like the Darfur and not elsewhere?
I do question it on a dogmatic basis however as well.
Why does Israel have religious right an no one else? By proxy shouldn't the indigenous Indian get some more of their spiritual homeland back? How many countries could this right claimed in?
Seems inappropriate on a religious basis the religions that have religious right to the area (Christianity, Israel and Muslim) stress the same basic moral precepts, peace. Their doctrine ask us to keep those lands Holy and inhabited, but they don't say it has to be done at the expense of each other or for exclusive use. Ultimately the conflicts are waged by the non-believer who gets others to follow his perception of their doctrine. It would be the ultimate homage to God, but no one envisions it.
That is the danger of corruption in religion by those who interpret it for others and why its important to encourage people to do their own research. I know many people of various religions who have come to the same understanding.
I respect religious express and right, but NEVER at the expense of others. That isn't the expression of the good that can be found in religion but the expression of the base nature they all describe.
The devil, evil and the manifestation of hell as well as god, good and heaven are all manifestations of our own desires as reflected through our actions
We use our beliefs to rationalize them.
Most of us have strong belief in something we don't fully understand. That is great, where it all falls apart is when someone uses that faith in their belief as proof at the expense of the humanity it is meant to encourage.
Ironically enough those same dogmatic texts warn against the very same phenomenon
Religion is designed to shed light on the universe of human nature, not the cosmological one.
However the same patterns exist in both, thus the intellectual conclusion for design and creation.
Not saying its the superior conclusion, but fractals are a mathematical fact that both conform to.
Thus the microcosm macrocosm, he who is within me is greater than the whole of the world, and all the flavors in between.
All interpretations of the same nature.
I think Judaism is a beautiful religion and Jews a beautiful people, and I don't argue against what is (the current state of Israel) but I don't agree with the further expansion of Israel for many reasons.
Simply this, at what point is land expansion and genocide not a violation of global humanitarian right, anywhere? Why is it ok in some places like the Darfur and not elsewhere?
I do question it on a dogmatic basis however as well.
Why does Israel have religious right an no one else? By proxy shouldn't the indigenous Indian get some more of their spiritual homeland back? How many countries could this right claimed in?
Seems inappropriate on a religious basis the religions that have religious right to the area (Christianity, Israel and Muslim) stress the same basic moral precepts, peace. Their doctrine ask us to keep those lands Holy and inhabited, but they don't say it has to be done at the expense of each other or for exclusive use. Ultimately the conflicts are waged by the non-believer who gets others to follow his perception of their doctrine. It would be the ultimate homage to God, but no one envisions it.
That is the danger of corruption in religion by those who interpret it for others and why its important to encourage people to do their own research. I know many people of various religions who have come to the same understanding.
I respect religious express and right, but NEVER at the expense of others. That isn't the expression of the good that can be found in religion but the expression of the base nature they all describe.
The devil, evil and the manifestation of hell as well as god, good and heaven are all manifestations of our own desires as reflected through our actions
We use our beliefs to rationalize them.
Most of us have strong belief in something we don't fully understand. That is great, where it all falls apart is when someone uses that faith in their belief as proof at the expense of the humanity it is meant to encourage.
Ironically enough those same dogmatic texts warn against the very same phenomenon
Religion is designed to shed light on the universe of human nature, not the cosmological one.
However the same patterns exist in both, thus the intellectual conclusion for design and creation.
Not saying its the superior conclusion, but fractals are a mathematical fact that both conform to.
Thus the microcosm macrocosm, he who is within me is greater than the whole of the world, and all the flavors in between.
All interpretations of the same nature.
And if ya don't believe it, wiki it!
Weird - thanks for the reply and info on that. Was wondering. Stay high man!
I understand that the image that can be observed (ie the photons) are seen as stretched, therefore moving away. Problem is, that image (which we are observing, and basing calculations on) is incredibly old, so we can't see what the object is doing now - the object may not even exist now.
So , we can say the oldest galaxies were moving away from each other back then, based on the image seen , but not now. It's like looking at a ten year old photo of a tree and thinking it should still look the same now- but it may be , in fact a bookshelf.
So , we can say the oldest galaxies were moving away from each other back then, based on the image seen , but not now. It's like looking at a ten year old photo of a tree and thinking it should still look the same now- but it may be , in fact a bookshelf.
imagine if you will, a particle of light as the same as a satellite moving off planet...(the particle of light moving off sun). to accelerate that satellite we would 'slingshot' it through the gravitational field of another body (planet, etc.). that 'slingshot' accelerates the satellite.
when the sun (stars) emit those particles of light, they encounter other particles the same way as the satellite did and are accelerated by interacting with angular momentum of all the other particles from other sources.
the fact that the edge is so far away gives those particles plenty of interaction not with just other particles (forming waves), galactic and intergalactic gravitational waves, electromagnetic waves, Birkeland currents, and Alfven waves that accelerate those particles denying isotropy and causing redshift.
just good smoke...
when the sun (stars) emit those particles of light, they encounter other particles the same way as the satellite did and are accelerated by interacting with angular momentum of all the other particles from other sources.
the fact that the edge is so far away gives those particles plenty of interaction not with just other particles (forming waves), galactic and intergalactic gravitational waves, electromagnetic waves, Birkeland currents, and Alfven waves that accelerate those particles denying isotropy and causing redshift.
just good smoke...
I don't think it was implied that you 'have to' be, or even that you are by extension. I think these distinctions are important in a dialogue.
Only that it 'so happens' that religion facilitates a greater number of charitable works because their underlying philosophy dictates and/or instills it.
These questions are not softballs, but they are not accusations:
Would you say that you look down on people who believe or believe in things (again another important distinction there) you consider to be fairy tales?
Would you say that you make somewhat broad value judgements of people based on your own specific experiences, e.g., nuns are admirable and priests are pedophiles?
Astronomers Watch a Supernova and See Reruns
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/s...ova-and-find-theyre-watching-reruns.html?_r=0
video embedded worth watching
It’s “Groundhog Day” in the cosmos.
In the 1993 Bill Murray movie, a weatherman finds himself reliving the same day over and over again. Now astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope say they have been watching the same star blow itself to smithereens in a supernova explosion over and over again, thanks to a trick of Einsteinian optics.
The star exploded more than nine billion years ago on the other side of the universe, too far for even the Hubble to see without special help from the cosmos. In this case, however, light rays from the star have been bent and magnified by the gravity of an intervening cluster of galaxies so that multiple images of it appear.
Four of them are arranged in a tight formation known as an Einstein Cross surrounding one of the galaxies in the cluster. Since each light ray follows a different path from the star to here, each image in the cross represents a slightly different moment in the supernova explosion.
This is the first time astronomers have been able to see the same explosion over and over again, and its unique properties may help them better understand not only the nature of these spectacular phenomena but also cosmological mysteries like dark matter and how fast the universe is expanding.
“I was sort of astounded,” said Patrick Kelly of the University of California, Berkeley, who discovered the supernova images in data recorded by the space telescope in November. “I was not expecting anything like that at all.”
Dr. Kelly is lead author of a report describing the supernova published on Thursday in the journal Science.
Out There
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Living With a Star FEB 4
A New Portal to Scientific Discourse FEB 2
Do Aliens Know It’s Christmas? DEC 22
A Picture Captures Planets Waiting to Be Born DEC 18
‘Interstellar’: The Cinema of Physicists NOV 17
See More »
Robert Kirshner, a supernova expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who was not involved in the work, said: “We’ve seen gravitational lenses before, and we’ve seen supernovae before. We’ve even seen lensed supernovae before. But this multiple image is what we have all been hoping to see.”
Supernovas are among the most violent and rare events in the universe, occurring perhaps once per century in a typical galaxy. They outshine entire galaxies, spewing elemental particles like oxygen and gold out into space to form the foundations of new worlds, and leaving behind crushed remnants called neutron stars or black holes.
Because of the galaxy cluster standing between this star and the Hubble, “basically, we got to see the supernova four times,” Dr. Kelly said. And the explosion is expected to appear again in another part of the sky in the next 10 years. Timing the delays between its appearances, he explained, will allow astronomers to refine measurements of how fast the universe is expanding and to map the mysterious dark matter that supplies the bulk of the mass and gravitational oomph of the universe.
The heavens continue to light candles for Albert Einstein. On March 14 he would have been 136, and this year marks a century since his greatest achievement, the general theory of relativity that transformed our understanding of space, time and gravity. Dr. Kelly’s paper appears in a special issue of Science devoted to the anniversary of that theory.
Einstein proposed that matter and energy warp the geometry of space the way a heavy body sags a mattress, producing the effect we call gravity. One consequence of this was that even light rays would be bent by gravity and follow a curved path around massive objects like the sun, as dramatically confirmed during a solar eclipse in 1919.
In effect, space itself could become a telescope.
How this cosmic telescope works depends on how the stars are aligned. If a star and its intervening lens are slightly out of line, the distant light can appear as arcs. If they are exactly lined up, the more distant star can appear as a halo known as an Einstein ring, or as evenly separated images — the Einstein Cross.
Astronomers have learned how to use entire galaxies and galaxy clusters as telescopes to see fainter objects beyond them that would otherwise be lost in the fog of time.
Hubble scientists have recently been using this trick in a program known as Glass, or Grism Lens-Amplified Survey from Space, to explore around clusters of galaxies, the most massive and thus most powerful gravitational lenses in the universe. This has enabled them to extend Hubble’s already powerful vision deeper into the past, in one case to a galaxy that existed when the universe was only half a billion years old.
Dr. Kelly’s job was to inspect the images for distant supernovas. He was not expecting to see four versions of the same explosion at once.
They appeared in images recorded in November of a spiral galaxy roughly nine billion light-years from here. The light from this spiral has been bent and magnified both by the gravity of the intervening cluster, which is five billion light-years distant, and by one very massive galaxy in the cluster.
As a result, ghost images of the spiral appear throughout the cluster and in particular in an Einstein Cross around that one galaxy. Because the lensing effect gathers light that would not otherwise be sent to our eyes or a telescope, the image of the host galaxy is not split so much as multiplied, explained Adi Zitrin, a team member from the California Institute of Technology.
“We simply see more appearances than we would if the lens were not present,” he said.
So far the supernova, named after a Norwegian astrophysicist, Sjur Refsdal, has been detected in only the four images in the Einstein cross. Based on computer modeling of the cluster, Dr. Kelly and his colleagues suspect that Supernova Refsdal has appeared before, around 1964 and 1995, in other lensed images of the spiral galaxy.
It should appear again elsewhere in the same cluster within the next few years, Dr. Kelly’s team predicts. The exact timing of Supernova Refsdal’s reappearance depends on how the dark matter in the galaxy cluster is distributed, which will tell astronomers much about a part of the universe they cannot see any other way. The longer the path length or the stronger the gravitational field the light ray goes through, the longer the delay.
Because of the expansion of the universe, the star and its galaxy are receding from us so fast that, according to relativity, clocks there appear to run markedly more slowly than clocks here. As a result, two months from the point of view of the supernova corresponds to nearly six months on Earth.
From our point of view, Dr. Kelly said, “it’s going on in slow motion.”
A star might die only once, but with Einstein’s telescope, if you know where to look, you can watch it scream forever.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/s...ova-and-find-theyre-watching-reruns.html?_r=0
video embedded worth watching
It’s “Groundhog Day” in the cosmos.
In the 1993 Bill Murray movie, a weatherman finds himself reliving the same day over and over again. Now astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope say they have been watching the same star blow itself to smithereens in a supernova explosion over and over again, thanks to a trick of Einsteinian optics.
The star exploded more than nine billion years ago on the other side of the universe, too far for even the Hubble to see without special help from the cosmos. In this case, however, light rays from the star have been bent and magnified by the gravity of an intervening cluster of galaxies so that multiple images of it appear.
Four of them are arranged in a tight formation known as an Einstein Cross surrounding one of the galaxies in the cluster. Since each light ray follows a different path from the star to here, each image in the cross represents a slightly different moment in the supernova explosion.
This is the first time astronomers have been able to see the same explosion over and over again, and its unique properties may help them better understand not only the nature of these spectacular phenomena but also cosmological mysteries like dark matter and how fast the universe is expanding.
“I was sort of astounded,” said Patrick Kelly of the University of California, Berkeley, who discovered the supernova images in data recorded by the space telescope in November. “I was not expecting anything like that at all.”
Dr. Kelly is lead author of a report describing the supernova published on Thursday in the journal Science.
Out There
A collection of “Out There” columns published in The New York Times.
Living With a Star FEB 4
A New Portal to Scientific Discourse FEB 2
Do Aliens Know It’s Christmas? DEC 22
A Picture Captures Planets Waiting to Be Born DEC 18
‘Interstellar’: The Cinema of Physicists NOV 17
See More »
Robert Kirshner, a supernova expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who was not involved in the work, said: “We’ve seen gravitational lenses before, and we’ve seen supernovae before. We’ve even seen lensed supernovae before. But this multiple image is what we have all been hoping to see.”
Supernovas are among the most violent and rare events in the universe, occurring perhaps once per century in a typical galaxy. They outshine entire galaxies, spewing elemental particles like oxygen and gold out into space to form the foundations of new worlds, and leaving behind crushed remnants called neutron stars or black holes.
Because of the galaxy cluster standing between this star and the Hubble, “basically, we got to see the supernova four times,” Dr. Kelly said. And the explosion is expected to appear again in another part of the sky in the next 10 years. Timing the delays between its appearances, he explained, will allow astronomers to refine measurements of how fast the universe is expanding and to map the mysterious dark matter that supplies the bulk of the mass and gravitational oomph of the universe.
The heavens continue to light candles for Albert Einstein. On March 14 he would have been 136, and this year marks a century since his greatest achievement, the general theory of relativity that transformed our understanding of space, time and gravity. Dr. Kelly’s paper appears in a special issue of Science devoted to the anniversary of that theory.
Einstein proposed that matter and energy warp the geometry of space the way a heavy body sags a mattress, producing the effect we call gravity. One consequence of this was that even light rays would be bent by gravity and follow a curved path around massive objects like the sun, as dramatically confirmed during a solar eclipse in 1919.
In effect, space itself could become a telescope.
How this cosmic telescope works depends on how the stars are aligned. If a star and its intervening lens are slightly out of line, the distant light can appear as arcs. If they are exactly lined up, the more distant star can appear as a halo known as an Einstein ring, or as evenly separated images — the Einstein Cross.
Astronomers have learned how to use entire galaxies and galaxy clusters as telescopes to see fainter objects beyond them that would otherwise be lost in the fog of time.
Hubble scientists have recently been using this trick in a program known as Glass, or Grism Lens-Amplified Survey from Space, to explore around clusters of galaxies, the most massive and thus most powerful gravitational lenses in the universe. This has enabled them to extend Hubble’s already powerful vision deeper into the past, in one case to a galaxy that existed when the universe was only half a billion years old.
Dr. Kelly’s job was to inspect the images for distant supernovas. He was not expecting to see four versions of the same explosion at once.
They appeared in images recorded in November of a spiral galaxy roughly nine billion light-years from here. The light from this spiral has been bent and magnified both by the gravity of the intervening cluster, which is five billion light-years distant, and by one very massive galaxy in the cluster.
As a result, ghost images of the spiral appear throughout the cluster and in particular in an Einstein Cross around that one galaxy. Because the lensing effect gathers light that would not otherwise be sent to our eyes or a telescope, the image of the host galaxy is not split so much as multiplied, explained Adi Zitrin, a team member from the California Institute of Technology.
“We simply see more appearances than we would if the lens were not present,” he said.
So far the supernova, named after a Norwegian astrophysicist, Sjur Refsdal, has been detected in only the four images in the Einstein cross. Based on computer modeling of the cluster, Dr. Kelly and his colleagues suspect that Supernova Refsdal has appeared before, around 1964 and 1995, in other lensed images of the spiral galaxy.
It should appear again elsewhere in the same cluster within the next few years, Dr. Kelly’s team predicts. The exact timing of Supernova Refsdal’s reappearance depends on how the dark matter in the galaxy cluster is distributed, which will tell astronomers much about a part of the universe they cannot see any other way. The longer the path length or the stronger the gravitational field the light ray goes through, the longer the delay.
Because of the expansion of the universe, the star and its galaxy are receding from us so fast that, according to relativity, clocks there appear to run markedly more slowly than clocks here. As a result, two months from the point of view of the supernova corresponds to nearly six months on Earth.
From our point of view, Dr. Kelly said, “it’s going on in slow motion.”
A star might die only once, but with Einstein’s telescope, if you know where to look, you can watch it scream forever.
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Thanks for the link weird.
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-black-holes-dark-sector-quantum.html
Black holes and the dark sector explained by quantum gravity
Ask any theoretical physicist on what are the most profound mysteries in physics and you will be surprised if she mentions anything other than Quantum Gravity and the Dark Sector. Questions such as how do we reconcile GR and Quantum Theory? What is Dark Matter? And what is Dark Energy? These are what keep most physicists awake late at night.
Suggested solutions to these problems are manifold but all fall short of providing a satisfactory explanation. The situation is set to change however as a new theory authored by Lic. Stuart Marongwe who holds a licentiate degree in physics and electronics from Jose Varona University in Havana, Cuba now stationed at the physics Department of McConnell College in Botswana, provides a self-consistent theory of Quantum Gravity which explains the Dark sector and is in agreement with observations.
The theory is known as Nexus in the sense that it provides a link between Quantum Theory and GR. This link manifests in the form of the Nexus graviton- a composite spin 2 particle of space-time which emerges naturally from the unification process. One remarkable feature of the Nexus graviton which distinguishes it from the graviton hypothesized in the Standard Model is that it is not a messenger particle but rather it induces a constant rotational motion on any test particle embedded within its confines. Moreover the Nexus graviton can also be considered as a globule of vacuum energy which can merge and de-merge with others in a process that resembles cytokineses in cell biology. The Nexus graviton is Dark Matter and constitutes space-time. The emission of a graviton of least energy by a high energy graviton results in the expansion of the high energy graviton as it assumes a lower energy state. This process manifests as Dark Energy and takes place throughout space-time as the theory explains.
This paper is significant in the sense that it sheds some light on some of the most perplexing questions in physics which include a quantum description of Black Holes without singularities inherent in classical GR.The solutions provided in this paper will certainly open doors to new physics.
Black holes and the dark sector explained by quantum gravity
Ask any theoretical physicist on what are the most profound mysteries in physics and you will be surprised if she mentions anything other than Quantum Gravity and the Dark Sector. Questions such as how do we reconcile GR and Quantum Theory? What is Dark Matter? And what is Dark Energy? These are what keep most physicists awake late at night.
Suggested solutions to these problems are manifold but all fall short of providing a satisfactory explanation. The situation is set to change however as a new theory authored by Lic. Stuart Marongwe who holds a licentiate degree in physics and electronics from Jose Varona University in Havana, Cuba now stationed at the physics Department of McConnell College in Botswana, provides a self-consistent theory of Quantum Gravity which explains the Dark sector and is in agreement with observations.
The theory is known as Nexus in the sense that it provides a link between Quantum Theory and GR. This link manifests in the form of the Nexus graviton- a composite spin 2 particle of space-time which emerges naturally from the unification process. One remarkable feature of the Nexus graviton which distinguishes it from the graviton hypothesized in the Standard Model is that it is not a messenger particle but rather it induces a constant rotational motion on any test particle embedded within its confines. Moreover the Nexus graviton can also be considered as a globule of vacuum energy which can merge and de-merge with others in a process that resembles cytokineses in cell biology. The Nexus graviton is Dark Matter and constitutes space-time. The emission of a graviton of least energy by a high energy graviton results in the expansion of the high energy graviton as it assumes a lower energy state. This process manifests as Dark Energy and takes place throughout space-time as the theory explains.
This paper is significant in the sense that it sheds some light on some of the most perplexing questions in physics which include a quantum description of Black Holes without singularities inherent in classical GR.The solutions provided in this paper will certainly open doors to new physics.
thanks for kicking in quantum gravity, this is likely the pivot point for new physics
data is what we need, and that data is the imaging of black holes for hawking radiation
it's 1 of the testable points for QG, probably, but who knows for sure?
Feynman famous quote: no one really understands quantum mechanics
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i like your thread topics, but need to get out more and circulate
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data is what we need, and that data is the imaging of black holes for hawking radiation
it's 1 of the testable points for QG, probably, but who knows for sure?
Feynman famous quote: no one really understands quantum mechanics
edit: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Weird again.
i like your thread topics, but need to get out more and circulate
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Weird i think your looking in the wrong direction first of all in order to have Gravity the universe needed to have large objects which it didn't at the beginning , So Quantum Gravity is non related at the begining of the universe as the very first proton and electron collided , matter started to form planets as thy got bombarded from steroids and exploding stars medium just think if Jupiter wasn't there to block most of the asteroids, and comets from hitting earth we probably wouldnt be here
But lets talk Magnetism this is more likely shortly after stars exploded etc
Out of that hot gas -- which was cooling by expansion -- came atoms. What it did not produce were objects with permanent magnetic fields. They would come later, but Schlickeiser thinks there was an extremely weak form of magnetism, created randomly even before the first stars appeared. These weak fields were later strengthened and stretched by the first stellar winds and exploding stars.
Schlickeiser said that magnetism can be produced naturally by the spin of atoms and subatomic particles. However, strong magnetism would not have happened in the infant universe because it requires heavy elements like nickel or iron that were produced only later inside stars. Producing even heavier magnetic elements, in turn, requires supernovas, the violent destructions of huge stars at the end of their lives.
"You get magnetism any time a charge or current flows; just put a compass near a wire carrying direct current and watch the needle tremble," said Michael Riordan of the University of California, Santa Cruz. "But if you have a lot of charges going every which way, as occurred in the early universe before the plasma [electrically charged gas] cooled out into atoms, the average current flow is zero everywhere, so no net magnetism on any macroscopic scale."
What might have occurred is that as the extraordinary high temperatures of the cloud cooled when the universe was around 380,000 years old, random islands of magnetism formed, produced by variations in density and pressure. Schlickeiser said those weak magnetic fields would be measured at around ten-sixtillionths of a tesla, a unit of magnetism. The average MRI machine in a doctor's office is three teslas.
The magnetism is so small it has no effect on the gas surrounding it, Schlickeiser said. To the contrary, the gas pushed around the weak magnetic fields.
Eventually, the matter in the universe accreted into stars and galaxies. The stars did not need the heavier elements to form, but began producing them as they cooled and collapsed.
If stars are massive enough, they explode at the end of their lifetimes. The outflowing ejecta from the exploding stars compress the surrounding medium, while simultaneously enriching it with the heavier elements. According to Schlickeiser, the combination of stellar wind and the blasts began to push the little magnetic fields round, compressing them, strengthening them, and aligning them in the direction of the wind.
"There is a stream of gas going out, ramming through the medium of the magnetic fields, and supersonic wind flow compresses and orders the field as it flows," Schlickeiser said.
Finally, the magnetic field became strong enough to push the plasma around.
The stars, meanwhile, began creating the heavier elements that produced much stronger magnetism through atomic spin. It is that magnetism that formed the magnetic fields of the Earth-- and it is that field you see in the aurora borealis, better known as the Northern Lights.
But lets talk Magnetism this is more likely shortly after stars exploded etc
Out of that hot gas -- which was cooling by expansion -- came atoms. What it did not produce were objects with permanent magnetic fields. They would come later, but Schlickeiser thinks there was an extremely weak form of magnetism, created randomly even before the first stars appeared. These weak fields were later strengthened and stretched by the first stellar winds and exploding stars.
Schlickeiser said that magnetism can be produced naturally by the spin of atoms and subatomic particles. However, strong magnetism would not have happened in the infant universe because it requires heavy elements like nickel or iron that were produced only later inside stars. Producing even heavier magnetic elements, in turn, requires supernovas, the violent destructions of huge stars at the end of their lives.
"You get magnetism any time a charge or current flows; just put a compass near a wire carrying direct current and watch the needle tremble," said Michael Riordan of the University of California, Santa Cruz. "But if you have a lot of charges going every which way, as occurred in the early universe before the plasma [electrically charged gas] cooled out into atoms, the average current flow is zero everywhere, so no net magnetism on any macroscopic scale."
What might have occurred is that as the extraordinary high temperatures of the cloud cooled when the universe was around 380,000 years old, random islands of magnetism formed, produced by variations in density and pressure. Schlickeiser said those weak magnetic fields would be measured at around ten-sixtillionths of a tesla, a unit of magnetism. The average MRI machine in a doctor's office is three teslas.
The magnetism is so small it has no effect on the gas surrounding it, Schlickeiser said. To the contrary, the gas pushed around the weak magnetic fields.
Eventually, the matter in the universe accreted into stars and galaxies. The stars did not need the heavier elements to form, but began producing them as they cooled and collapsed.
If stars are massive enough, they explode at the end of their lifetimes. The outflowing ejecta from the exploding stars compress the surrounding medium, while simultaneously enriching it with the heavier elements. According to Schlickeiser, the combination of stellar wind and the blasts began to push the little magnetic fields round, compressing them, strengthening them, and aligning them in the direction of the wind.
"There is a stream of gas going out, ramming through the medium of the magnetic fields, and supersonic wind flow compresses and orders the field as it flows," Schlickeiser said.
Finally, the magnetic field became strong enough to push the plasma around.
The stars, meanwhile, began creating the heavier elements that produced much stronger magnetism through atomic spin. It is that magnetism that formed the magnetic fields of the Earth-- and it is that field you see in the aurora borealis, better known as the Northern Lights.
I knew they weren't all natural.
Everyone makes judgements based on their experiences/observations. That's all we have to go on. Yours may be different than mine, which affects how you think. I did not say all priests are pedophiles. There are very good priests, but I have also experienced very bad, evil, and twisted priests. Never met an evil or twisted nun. Ever. And I have been to a nunnery, having driven my aunt to hers many times. Nuns are extremely humble, and live to serve. Never saw ego in a nun. Priests, on the other hand, are a different story. I have had a priest @ prep school smash me across the face, and then say, "sorry son, but Jesus made me do it". Sick and twisted, and all in the name of the "lord".
I have a problem with what I call the "arrogance of belief". Belief in one fairy tale to the exclusion of others. "My god's better than your god". When people believe that they have found the "one, true" god, I have a problem with that. These people are at once arrogant and delusional. Blind belief in books written thousands of years ago be veritable idiots, and regurgitating same, is offensive to me.
I have a brother who is a Jesus freak. He can barely speak a sentence without mentioning the imaginary "lord", and yet, I don't know if it's possible to be any less like Jesus. He is materialistic, rich, egotistical, narrow minded, judgmental, finger pointing, and preachy.
I'll give you an example: some years back, on of our nieces had a wedding in Telluride, Colorado, a beautiful spot. She had rented a chalet so the immediate family could stay there, instead of a hotel. Each of us had our own rooms. There was a den/TV/computer room downstairs. Everyone was trying to get on the computer, but the connection was down. That night, after everyone went to bed, I worked on that computer for about two hours, trying to get the connection working. It was a Mac, which I am not familiar with, but finally, I got it to work. By that time, it was 2 in the morning, I was tired, and went right to sleep, not even attempting to use said computer.
Next morning, when I came downstairs, my Jesus freak brother was waiting for me at the bottom of the stairs, and pulled me aside with a very serious look/tone, and said, "I noticed you were searching Google for Pamela Anderson", as though I had done something terribly wrong. Well, at that time, Pamela Anderson was the number one search on the internet, and this was a public computer, used by many before me. However, I had not searched for her, as I don't even like her, and hadn't even gone online at all. Had he checked the internet history, he would have known that, but instead he had "caught" me doing something "bad", in his purview, and couldn't wait to chastise me. Even if I had searched for Pamela Anderson, it was none of his business, and it would not have been "sinful", as it was in his eyes. By the way, he left the Catholic church for a woman, in favor of some evangelical Protestant sect that she belonged to. This story illustrates the "arrogance of belief", which is nothing more than sanctimonious, "holier than thou" BS, scarlet letter and all. This is why I find religion offensive. It gives the "believer" carte blanche to judge, and, yes, slaughter anyone who does not comply with their fairy tale. History bears this out, and it still goes on daily in our "modern" world, which some (billions?) would like to take back to the stone age. All without reason, or a shred of evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZegQYgygdw&feature=player_detailpage#t=336
* just cause im a mell brooks fan
* just cause im a mell brooks fan
Not to make light of your personal experience, and in fact I truly applaud you for being honest, it is THE MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY WE POSSES!!!
for real
but you pontificate my simple illustration that our own life so biases our perception that at some point it becomes illogical
It is not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof, it is simply that ego is a constant to human nature as gravity is to mass.
If you do not fully understand its bias you won't be able to understand the dynamics (physics) to escape its pull
But lets share personal stories why don't we.
My one grandfather was a surgeon who came over from Italy with his priest brother to create a catholic church.
Since his generation there have been 4 suicides in subsequent generation, all consequences of the shame from catholic upbringing.
My father and two first cousins, his nephews were 3 of them, I can get into the gory details if you like,
That is the Italian side, on the Spanish side my grandfather renounced Catholicism based on the treatment he suffered at the hands of the nuns.
I'll bet my grow no one here has a real clue to what real fucking suffering is, and that I my friend most certainly do.
I was never delusional enough to judge the world based on the perception of others, but I certainly learned to understand and respect them regardless.
As in the example with your nuns my friend, its not whats in your mind but what is in your heart that acts as the wind in the sails that directs the mind or that set the compass of your heart if you won't suffer but one more analogy from me.
for real
but you pontificate my simple illustration that our own life so biases our perception that at some point it becomes illogical
It is not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof, it is simply that ego is a constant to human nature as gravity is to mass.
If you do not fully understand its bias you won't be able to understand the dynamics (physics) to escape its pull
But lets share personal stories why don't we.
My one grandfather was a surgeon who came over from Italy with his priest brother to create a catholic church.
Since his generation there have been 4 suicides in subsequent generation, all consequences of the shame from catholic upbringing.
My father and two first cousins, his nephews were 3 of them, I can get into the gory details if you like,
That is the Italian side, on the Spanish side my grandfather renounced Catholicism based on the treatment he suffered at the hands of the nuns.
I'll bet my grow no one here has a real clue to what real fucking suffering is, and that I my friend most certainly do.
I was never delusional enough to judge the world based on the perception of others, but I certainly learned to understand and respect them regardless.
As in the example with your nuns my friend, its not whats in your mind but what is in your heart that acts as the wind in the sails that directs the mind or that set the compass of your heart if you won't suffer but one more analogy from me.
genedigger
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its arrogant and delusional to say that what was writen down for us thousands of years ago was done by idiots.someone could say that about this thread in 200 years.how would that make you feel?
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