No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[Weird]

In my neighborhood the food pantries for the poor are filled weekly through the donations from over 2 dozen different religious organizations in the local area.

Not by the government.

The money and clothes they collect for people in the community who lose their homes due to fire, well they come from the same source.

Not by a body of scientists in the name of science

The free pre-school and day care for those in need, come from the local religious organizations.

Not from a body of atheists in support of humanity

 

[Midwest sticky]

Same thing where I'm at weird they help a lot of people.

 

[genedigger]

some countries like russia have no drug rehab programs that are government run.the only folks helping these people are religious groups.maybe the governments there should pay attention to them.

 

[mr.brunch]

I have a question... Maybe it's a dumb one, forgive me.

If the furthest galaxies from us are 13 billion light years away, and the light from them has taken that long to reach us, then the image we detect of it must be the Galaxy as it was 13 billion years ago.
How then can we be sure that they are still moving away from each other? Surely all we can say is they were moving away from each other 13 billion years ago.

 

[Weird]

In this link I posted in a a page earlier a physicist explains how

http://phys.org/news/2014-04-science-philosophy-collide-fine-tuned-universe.html

its halfway down the page

good way to spend 7 minutes

 

[igrowone]

I have a question... Maybe it's a dumb one, forgive me.

If the furthest galaxies from us are 13 billion light years away, and the light from them has taken that long to reach us, then the image we detect of it must be the Galaxy as it was 13 billion years ago.
How then can we be sure that they are still moving away from each other? Surely all we can say is they were moving away from each other 13 billion years ago.

indeed, it is a snapshot into the past
i think the working assumption is there is nothing physically plausible that these galaxy's paths could be significantly altered by
maybe questionable since the current observations on dark energy indicate it's a force whose value is changing over time
and dark energy is driving galaxy distance expansion
now to step out in real speculative stuff
a type 3 civilization could have completely en-wrapped all the galaxy's radiation output
maybe moved it a bit too
that could have happened in 13 billion years and we wouldn't know about it

 

[mr.brunch]

In this link I posted in a a page earlier a physicist explains how

http://phys.org/news/2014-04-science-philosophy-collide-fine-tuned-universe.html

its halfway down the page

good way to spend 7 minutes

Thanks.
I read this though and am still puzzled.... They are measuring using the red shift of the light , but the light they are seeing is still the past.
Maybe I'm missing the point.
I tried to read the follow on link about the universe accelerating but it's a bit above my head

 

[mr.brunch]

What I am thinking is, they say galaxies are moving apart, and the furthest ones are moving faster. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are moving apart faster now, as we speak? To me it says that galaxies in the early universe were moving apart faster than now... And that's the image they are seeing.
So would this follow that expansion may be , in fact slowing down?
Would this explain why the 13 billion year old images seem to be moving faster than the closer ones, simply because they were moving that fast back then?
Sorry if this makes no sense

 

[RetroGrow]

I tried to read the follow on link about the universe accelerating but it's a bit above my head

It's above everyone's head. We are only scratching the surface. Uncover one mystery, and another appears. That's what makes it intriguing. We, as a species are learning through science, but it's a very slow process, and only by passing knowledge down through the generations will our understanding increase. Tomorrow, a spacecraft lands on an asteroid! That's an incredible feat in and of itself. What we learn from it could be incredible, but we won't have the answers in our lifetimes. That hasn't and doesn't prevent us from passing the torch.

 

[Midwest sticky]

Mr. Brunch you should read up on the bubble universe theory, you might find it interesting
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140717124800.htm
http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/news/universe-bubble-lets-check

 

[RetroGrow]

In my neighborhood the food pantries for the poor are filled weekly through the donations from over 2 dozen different religious organizations in the local area.

Not by the government.

The money and clothes they collect for people in the community who lose their homes due to fire, well they come from the same source.

Not by a body of scientists in the name of science

The free pre-school and day care for those in need, come from the local religious organizations.

Not from a body of atheists in support of humanity

I still give money to the Catholic church, even though I don't believe in their god, because I recognize they do good work, despite all the harm they have caused. One doesn't have to believe in fairy tales to do good deeds. All of us should help one another, with no agenda. It's called "humanity". No gods necessary to be human.

 

[Weird]

I still give money to the Catholic church, even though I don't believe in their god, because I recognize they do good work, despite all the harm they have caused. One doesn't have to believe in fairy tales to do good deeds. All of us should help one another, with no agenda. It's called "humanity". No gods necessary to be human.

But you certainly give your money to fairy tale believing people because without them you don't have a vehicle for goodwill on your own. So without people who believe in fairy tales you can't provide goodwill. Further distilled it equals the presence of God, real or otherwise, is your real catalyst to humanitarianism.

Atheist supporting the manifestation of the delusion of God through giving, then complaining about those with the delusional belief, how special is that.

 

[resinryder]

Atheist supporting the manifestation of the delusion of God through giving, then complaining about those with the delusional belief, how special is that.

OMG, Bawahahahaha

 

[RetroGrow]

But you certainly give your money to fairy tale believing people because without them you don't have a vehicle for goodwill on your own. So without people who believe in fairy tales you can't provide goodwill. Further distilled it equals the presence of God, real or otherwise, is your real catalyst to humanitarianism.

Atheist supporting the manifestation of the delusion of God through giving, then complaining about those with the delusional belief, how special is that.

That makes no sense at all. Are you ghostwriting for genedigger now?

 

[hyposomniac]

Thanks.
I read this though and am still puzzled.... They are measuring using the red shift of the light , but the light they are seeing is still the past.
Maybe I'm missing the point.
I tried to read the follow on link about the universe accelerating but it's a bit above my head

As I understand it, and I try to understand it in a simple way...

The light they see is old, meaning it left its destination a long time ago, but they are still photons and should behave as such.

Alterations to their behavior, in this case 'red light shift', imply that something (acceleration away from the light source) is causing this.

Acceleration stretches the wave of light, causing a longer wavelength, thus making it more red. The extent of the reddening or stretching gives them a tool to measure acceleration.

To visualize it I picture a really long slippery hallway, a 20-foot length of semi rigid rope on the ground laid into the shape of a waveform, with someone holding it at each end. Now they run in the same direction down the hall.. If the guy in front (earth with telescope) runs faster than the guy in back (light source). The rope will stretch, making the wave longer (more red).

 

[hyposomniac]

That makes no sense at all. Are you ghostwriting for genedigger now?

It made sense and he's correct. I had to read it twice though.
If you had given that money to a secular organization that does the same "good work" he probably wouldn't have written that.

 

[RetroGrow]

It made sense and he's correct. I had to read it twice though.
If you had given that money to a secular organization that does the same "good work" he probably wouldn't have written that.

I give it to who I choose. I also give to Goodwill. Secular. The Catholic nuns were always good to me. My mother's sister was a nun. I respect them, unlike many of the priests, who are/were pedophiles. The nuns have good hearts, and give their lives to serving others, and for that they should be admired. They are perhaps the most selfless people alive. It was a trolling post, at best. You don't have to be religious to be charitable or humane.

 

[Midwest sticky]

I love this thread.

 

[RetroGrow]

In a Physics First, Light is Captured as Both Particle and Wave

In a Physics First, Light is Captured as Both Particle and Wave

Physicists have theorized for over a century that light acts as both a particle and a wave, depending on the conditions, but they've never been able to capture it being both at once — until a team in Switzerland did just that in a recent experiment. Scientists at the Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne managed to take a snapshot of light in all its elusive wave-particle duality, a form first proposed by Einstein in 1905.

It was no easy task: You need light in order to take pictures of things, but how do you take a picture of light itself? The EPFL team, led by Fabrizio Carbone, started by exposing a tiny metallic nanowire to a pulse of laser light. The light travels up and down this wire and interferes with itself, forming stationary "standing waves" and illustrating that portion of light's dual nature.

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlaVHxUSiNk[/YOUTUBEIF]

At the same time, though, those waves are made of innumerable photons. This was shown by barraging the standing waves with electrons — some of which would speed up, and some slow down, depending on how they strike photons in the stream. The simple fact that these "quanta" of exchanged energy exist proves that there are particles there, not just a simple waveform of radiation (like a magnetic field).

The result is the image above, which shows light exhibiting wavelike and particle-like properties at the same time. This research, published in the journal Nature Communications, significantly advances our understanding of how light works on the smallest detectable scales, and may be highly valuable in the field of quantum computing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/physics-first-light-captured-both-particle-wave-n315936

 

[D. B. Doober]

I have a question about Zionism...
From what I understand, Zionists believe that to be "Jewish" means not only religion, but that they're genetically related to the ancient Hebrew people of the middle east...right? Well then why are most Zionists Slovac-looking? Rather than looking like middle eastern people? Why do the most hardcore Zionists think like this? Is it a mental illness? Its like anyone can convert and then all of a sudden be like "oh, yeah I'm related to the ancient Israelites" Shit is FUBAR.