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[DurbanPoison]

LOL. Now THAT is gullible. Well good luck with that. Hope it all works for you. You were totally right about the hydro being easy and effective and fast. My plants are growing way out of control now. I think I need to ease off a bit on the nutes though they look like they're on the verge of being stressed. I think I'll leave them at 580ppms for the next week or two. The runt is actually catching up finally and getting some dark green in her so hopefully she is a female. However, I pulled up the lid and noticed its looking pretty dirty in there so I think I may have to change out the nute water in a week or so but we'll see. What do you think?

 

[stevr59]

i told ya so lol thats what so sweet about hyrdo as far as your ppm go as long as they are asking for more keep giving it to them not shure how ur checking ur ppm i take it your adding fresh water to the rez then checking ppm and ph? if it read 580 today and tommorom it reads 520 i wouold up the ppm a lil more if its way low then i raise the shit out of the ppm.. my tomatoe clone is about 10 days now and i am rasing the ppm to 900 as long as its not showing sign of nute burn and they look healthy i would bumb it up but i am not there so hard for me to sit here and tell ya what needs to be done. but it ok to play safe and let it ride for a bit now as far as the diry looking water i change my rez out once every 1 to 2 weeks my self... some just let it ride till they swich to bloom nutes but i like to play it on the safe side

 

[DurbanPoison]

I figure ill let it ride for a few more days and see what happens. One of the plants is developing some really light golden brown colored spots but I think its the aftershock from when the pH was real low and acidic in the upper 4's to lower 5's. All the other plants are looking great though. I stripped the leaves that turned brown on the one thats struggling. The healthiest/biggest one now had a couple of its first set of leaves go a bit brown too so I stripped them off as well.




Yeah i'm still using distilled water and just trying to keep adding to the line I drew. I usually check the pH/ppms before I add the water and after. Then I add nutes if they seem to need it. They're staying pretty consistant now in the mid to upper 500ppms now though and on a few of the fans it looks like a really really mild nute burn so I'll wait for a week or so before I try to raise it. I've been adding like 5ml of liquid karma (the vitamin type suppliment) every day until today so it's just water for now until I see they're hungry again.

About the speed - the funny thing is my girl started some beans in soil the same day I started mine in hydro - my plants are nearly 3.5 to 4 times the size of hers! They really go fast. I like the quick response to the love too. They show within a few hours when you do something they like or dont like so you can fix it faster if needed.

Lastly - to address my metering; I'm using this bad boy. Hanna Combo Meter Just got it last week. A day or two after I started hydro. I just went straight distilled water for the first 2 or 3 days until I could start measuring things. So far it's working very well. ppm's kina take a while to register (10-15 seconds usually) but it also measures the water temperature too.

 

[stevr59]

you said you are useing pbp but you didnt say if your adding calmag to that or not i was reading some where they said you need cal mag allso might be what the brown spots are could be a cal. deficens going on

 

[DurbanPoison]

Damn you good man. I had that in the back of my my mind and I haven't been using it. I'll see how it goes for a bit longer and if it continues i'll have to pick up some Cag-Mag. Seeing as how the distilled water has practically nothing in it, that would be likely I think.

 

[stevr59]

glad to help... i cant rember where i read it at but it did say it needed calmag and some thing else but i dam shure cant rember what the last nute was..if it was me i would start my flowing now cuz there fixing to grow there asses off and there aint much head room in da box but thats me and my ak strech for 4 weeks but not shure how your babys are going to grow

 

[DurbanPoison]

Well this time I have 2/3 of the same genetics but then again, it's hydro this time so I don't have a clue as to how much stretch there will be. I think I will weave around the screen this time some before I put into 12/12. I can't have another pathetic yield this time. 4grams is .. well that's a waste of time AND money. Good thing i'm such a light smoker lol. I still have 2 grams left.

 

[DurbanPoison]

Well I've decided it's official that I don't know SHIT in the world of PPM's and nute strength. I thought you just put the old dip stick in and see how many PPM's i'm at. WRONG! LOL. Gotta caculate it all and hopefully end up with the end result of Nx - Px - Kx - mGx . . . . . Ok well I'll read about all this stuff tomorrow.

 

[stevr59]

wel you dont have to go that far i did 3 grows and all i did was check the ppms frist grow with out any meters at all . for now just wach your ppm after you add ur add back water if its lower than the day before raide it up but dont go over 200 ppm a day
here some thing i pick up fron lucas thread on cw hope this help
EcPPM goes up, PH goes down=plants require less nutes.
EcPPM goes down, PH goes up=Plants require more nutes
EcPPM stable, PH goes up=Equilibrium=Good thang

 

[DurbanPoison]

No sir. Follow me over to my sick plant thread. SproutCO made sense of it all. Hydro SWC - PBP Brown/White Spots...

 

[stevr59]

done read it and its a very good read but so is lucas thread and like i said you need calmag i am fixing to go re read what sproutco had to say dam why is it so much fun to learn wish i was this way when i was in school lol

 

[DurbanPoison]

Ok I drained/cleaned my res and restarted - again with distilled water. Now I'm running a real recipe. Johnson's solution: (100N - 30P - 150K - 75Ca - 30Mg) Well i've come pretty close. I'm using PBP Bloom now @ 12ml and Cal Mag Plus @ 5ml per gallons. That's a 111N - 29P - 140K - 77Ca - 33Mg overall. My overall res PPM's are now @ 770. I have since learned that you want to keep a 4:2:1 ratio with whatever your potassium value is and you dont want to exceed 300ppms of K. So whatever K is, you need to have half the ppm's of Ca and half the Ca of Mg. I'll probably bump up to about 150-200 N once they get big, but this is supposed to be a killer recipe.

 

[DurbanPoison]

Ok I don't know what to do now. The recipe given to me by SproutCO :wahoo: was a hit! I recommend it to anyone in hydro! The plants are SERIOUSLY thriving on this. I'm definitely going to run out of room sooner than later. I decided to top the 3 big plants and hopefully I'll be able to take cuttings from them soon so I can sex these seedlings (girls) out. :wahoo:

 

[stevr59]

glad to hear you got it going wish my tomatoe plant was doing as well lol its all ready out grew my box just had the flower open yesterday and had to hand pollinnate em so soon should have some juice tomatoes dam i shure whis it would hurry up so i can grow some thing better lol but i am good till x-mas. i read sproutco page and the more i read the more confused i get lol dam i think i will try it sober funny i have try to find info on growing hyrdo tomatoe and there not much info out there and what is ther about nute is all the same shit making it your self have not found one dam peice on store bought nutes. glad there tons of info for mj

 

[DurbanPoison]

Updated Pic

Updated Pic

Heres an update. Look how big they're gettin! I topped the big three by the way.

 

[DurbanPoison]

I have a page Hydro Tomaties! I haven't read it in a while but you might wanna check it out.

As far as my grow - they're getting out of hand. They're going to take over the place!!! Tonight I thought I would liven up the mix too.

Previously I was using what I posted a couple of days ago - I am still trying to use that, however I have added to it just slightly. I now added Liquid Karma @ 3ml./gal. Now this changed the nute values to the following:
100N - 30P - 150K - 75Ca - 30Mg Johnson's Solution

111N - 29P - 140K - 77Ca - 33Mg 12ml PBP Bloom and 5ml Cal Mag Plus
116N - 30P - 155K - 77Ca - 33Mg 12ml PBP Bloom and 5ml Cal Mag Plus and 3ml Karma

Boosted the N just slightly as well as the K. Ever so mildly as Liquid Karma just has trace amounts of N, P, and K but no Ca or Mg which is good since they're at optimal values now. Let's see if they take off some more. I love them getting out of hand!

 

[stevr59]

man thanks for the link it should help a lot... glad to hear you grow is doing good but sorry she out growing the box lol thts why i ask when ya was going to do the 12/12 i pnly veg for a week or 2 and thats it then i go 12/12 when they are about 8" tall .. i was re reading lucas thread and he saying the same thing as spoutco he said fn nutes and pbp nute are dam good and he dont belive in adding any addative to the mix outher than calmag for pbp but man i got to read there thread sober lol to much info for me the more i read the more confused i become... but it make since as well ohhhhhhhhh and one thing i have leard tomatoes dont do well in a box the dam thing out of controll
over growing the box very very fast lol ummmmmm any one want to trade some magic beans for some tomtoes beans lol j/k

 

[DurbanPoison]

Monsters

Monsters

LOL. Maybe you just need to stop the stretch. Something low in -P- I would think. I read somewhere that for MJ a shot of whiskey per gallon of water helps slow stretch. I'll have to look for it, but that might do it for you.

With the additives, I'm pretty sure the Liquid Karma wasn't necessary, but after seeing how well the plants have been doing in the Johnson's Solution (or close to it), I thought I would try it. Reason being because Liquid Karma (although it has trace amounts of N, and P it also increases the K a bit too), however it's primarily that humic/fulvic acid. It's all black and stains the roots. But I remember every time I've used it in the plants it's done CRAZY shit and made the plants explode. Thought I would make monsters. Pretty soon I'll be saying "Can't sleep - plants will eat me!"

Ermmm... ? lol well anyway we'll see what happens. The increase of the other nutes actually was needed in the P and the K. I didn't really want to increase the N but I thought I would try it out. It only added like 5N so it shouldn't be a big deal. The plants are lovin the high life.

 

[stevr59]

man if i had wiskey to feed my plants i would be taking it my self fuck da plants lol but sounds to me you got it going your way now as long as there doing great leave it that way. and soon you will be blessed. but i am dam shure getting tempeted to turn my closet into a grow chamber pleanty of head room n there and i bet with a 400 or 600 hps
and 8 waterfarm ummmmmmmmm can ya say pounds instead of oz

 

[DurbanPoison]

lol. yes i CAN say pounds. then i remember I can only smoke maybe a gram a day if I have no plans at all. Assuming I did smoke a gram a day, a qp would last me 112 days. That's over 3 months. But I never get to smoke that much. Just a half gram in the evening. So it lasts more like 6 months for me. I don't think I need anymore lol.